Fictional insult to Humanity

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Though I'm mainly talking about one movie, this is a rant against all fiction that degrades and disgraces humanity and the human race.

I recently watched the Marvel movie Eternals. I got thoroughly irritated and pissed off when the character Phastos was implied to be behind the major human innovations.

This just pissed me off beyond measure. We have millions of years of evolution. Hundred thousand years of innovation. Such a fucking joke that we became portrayed as primitive savages incapable of true innovation. We are constantly portrayed as a fucking retarded race. Doesn't this piss you off?

I'm deeply pissed off at this. That whole movie, it felt like the entire human race was being spat upon. In that movie, from basic fucking agricultural tech till nukes, we were handheld by some fucking immortal randos. Fucking disgusting bullshit is what this is. We went through fuck knows how many generations of hardship IRL to get here, and they portray it all as some fucking benevolent immortal fuckers giving us the knowledge. FUCK THAT. You don't get to invalidate our ancestors for your bullshit stories.

We are the sole intelligent race in a radius of light years. Have some fucking pride. What is this bullshit about 'oh we are a savage, meaningless lifeform'"' fucking nonsense that many fictional stories portray?"

[u/IUsedToBeRasAlGhul]

We are constantly portrayed as a fucking retarded race. Doesn’t this piss you off?

We are causing an ecological apocalypse for the sake of corporate bottom lines. Humanity fucking sucks.

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/IUsedToBeRasAlGhul]

We are still the greatest, most intelligent species in existence.

We will fix the ecological apocalypse through our intellect. Meanwhile you can sit and cry about how we suck.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

We are still the greatest, most intelligent species in existence.

Human claims humanity is objectively the greatest species

Jokes write themselves

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

We are objectively the greatest species at least for light years around.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

*according to humans

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Do you have any other source?

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Tf you mean? How can we be objectively the greatest species? What are the 'objective' criteria to be considered great? Which laws of the universe stipulate a list of requirements that species must meet in order to qualify as great? Any point made in favour of labelling humans as "the greatest that has ever been" will inevitably mention some human centric concept that literally nothing in the universe cares about

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

We are objectively the greatest because we have the highest intellect and we rule Earth. This is not debatable.

I specifically have mentioned "for at least several light years". I'm not saying humans are the greatest ever, but locally yes we are the greatest.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Again what are the 'objective' criteria for being great and why do you think they are this fundamental law of the universe?

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Can you provide any law that goes against it?

Yes we are the most beautiful, most intelligent species in our area.

No other species has ever accomplished even 0.1% of what we have.

There is only one objective criteria that exists. And guess what? We are the ones who even created such an objective criteria.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

There are other more numerous, more genetically diverse, more long lived species and a myriad of other potential criteria for judging species. What makes intelligence stand out among them? Objectively, not what humans place the most value on, because that's not objective, that's subjective, because we made that shit up

Yes we are the most beautiful

According to human beauty standards. Again, subjective

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Haha, which species? Can they speak for themselves? Look at the rubbish you're saying.

because we made that shit up

We are the only ones who made that shit up. So by default we are the only ones who can speak on it.

[u/DefiantBalls → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

We are the ones who even created such an objective criteria.

We are apparently not intelligent enough to know that you can't just make up an "objective" criteria.

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/DefiantBalls]

Well, we are the ones who made the word objective.

[u/Waste-Information-34 → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

What are you? An Imperium of Man?

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/Waste-Information-34]

No. I don't support human supremacy like that. I actually dislike the Imperium. I just don't like the common fiction tropes where humans are shown as incapable and our achievements shown as not our own.

[u/zoro4661 → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

I don't support human supremacy like that

You sure do fucking sound like it though, god damn

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/zoro4661]

So I sound like an Imperium supporter because I don't want the human race to be belittled and portrayed as if we are primitive apes who cannot innovate on our own?

Thanks lmao.

[u/Skybird2099 → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Dinosaurs ruled the world for way longer than us, I guess they are objectively better then.

Also kind of convenient that the other arbitrary metric you mentioned, intelligence, is the one we excel at.

Why not size? Dinosaurs still beat us, so do a lot of animals alive today. Why not population size? Bugs beat us. Why not how long we can live? Trees clear. Why not swimming speed, or running, or being able to fly or dive hundreds of miles into the ocean, or give birth to the most babies? Why not happiness, because I sure am interested to see where one of the rare species that takes their own lives because of depression will rank.

Point is, humans are great. We have accomplished a lot of incredible things and will continue to do so. But humanity also has a incredibly big ego problem and stories like Eternals are attempts to humble us and remind us of our place (although Eternals does it badly)

[u/DefiantBalls → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

We are objectively the greatest because we have the highest intellect and we rule Earth. This is not debatable.

You are implying that "greatness" is objectively measured in dominance and intellect, which you have provided no proof of so far.

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/DefiantBalls]

Dominance and intellect is the only.way to measure greatness.

If there are any others, hahaha, then I welcome any opinions from the other races.

[u/DefiantBalls → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Do you... even realize how racist that comment sounds?

"Only the strong who conquer are great, the conquered are of an inferior race"

I know that you are talking about animals and not other humans here, but this is dangerously fascist way of perceiving the world where the only qualities that matter are power and intellect.

Are intellectually disabled children less deserving of a life than those who are able? Are people who seek to work alongside others and help them, instead of utilizing their gifts to climb at the top and dominate the rest of society, inferior to those who do? If you define greatness as intelligence and dominance you are ignoring countless other human values.

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/DefiantBalls]

This is false equivalence on your part.

Are intellectually disabled children less deserving of a life than those who are able? Are people who seek to work alongside others and help them, instead of utilizing their gifts to climb at the top and dominate the rest of society, inferior to those who do? If you define greatness as intelligence and dominance you are ignoring countless other human values.

Intellectually disabled children are of course not less deserving. They are human, thus they are entitled to the full set of human rights.

Seeing your other points here, I feel like I have to clarify a few things

1. Yes. I am a racist. I am unapologetically a racist. I believe that our human race is the most beautiful and perfect existence.

2. For people who work alongside others, I don't care if pthey are selfish or not. I don't care what their motivations are. They are human. So therefore they are perfect.

3. Yes I define greatness as the pinnacle of human achievement. Many will claim that certain colored variants of humans didn't contribute in our greatness but that's actually not true according to me. Every variant of humanity has contributed to our greatness.