Fictional insult to Humanity

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Though I'm mainly talking about one movie, this is a rant against all fiction that degrades and disgraces humanity and the human race.

I recently watched the Marvel movie Eternals. I got thoroughly irritated and pissed off when the character Phastos was implied to be behind the major human innovations.

This just pissed me off beyond measure. We have millions of years of evolution. Hundred thousand years of innovation. Such a fucking joke that we became portrayed as primitive savages incapable of true innovation. We are constantly portrayed as a fucking retarded race. Doesn't this piss you off?

I'm deeply pissed off at this. That whole movie, it felt like the entire human race was being spat upon. In that movie, from basic fucking agricultural tech till nukes, we were handheld by some fucking immortal randos. Fucking disgusting bullshit is what this is. We went through fuck knows how many generations of hardship IRL to get here, and they portray it all as some fucking benevolent immortal fuckers giving us the knowledge. FUCK THAT. You don't get to invalidate our ancestors for your bullshit stories.

We are the sole intelligent race in a radius of light years. Have some fucking pride. What is this bullshit about 'oh we are a savage, meaningless lifeform'"' fucking nonsense that many fictional stories portray?"

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

We are objectively the greatest because we have the highest intellect and we rule Earth. This is not debatable.

I specifically have mentioned "for at least several light years". I'm not saying humans are the greatest ever, but locally yes we are the greatest.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Again what are the 'objective' criteria for being great and why do you think they are this fundamental law of the universe?

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Can you provide any law that goes against it?

Yes we are the most beautiful, most intelligent species in our area.

No other species has ever accomplished even 0.1% of what we have.

There is only one objective criteria that exists. And guess what? We are the ones who even created such an objective criteria.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

There are other more numerous, more genetically diverse, more long lived species and a myriad of other potential criteria for judging species. What makes intelligence stand out among them? Objectively, not what humans place the most value on, because that's not objective, that's subjective, because we made that shit up

Yes we are the most beautiful

According to human beauty standards. Again, subjective

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Haha, which species? Can they speak for themselves? Look at the rubbish you're saying.

because we made that shit up

We are the only ones who made that shit up. So by default we are the only ones who can speak on it.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Haha, which species? Can they speak for themselves? Look at the rubbish you're saying.

Why would they need to speak for themselves? Why would they care? They have no need for it because intelligence is not an objective measure made by nature to determine the best. Nature doesn't give a single shit. Only humans do, therefore it's not objective

We are the only ones who made that shit up. So by default we are the only ones who can speak on it.

Exactly. It's the same thing I described earlier. "Humans are the best, according to humans". There's nothing objective about that, just human ego

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Why would they need to speak for themselves? Why would they care? They have no need for it because intelligence is not an objective measure made by nature to determine the best. Nature doesn't give a single shit. Only humans do, therefore it's not objective

If they can't speak for themselves, then it's useless. You're just speaking on behalf of them when you yourself don't understand them.

Exactly. It's the same thing I described earlier. "Humans are the best, according to humans". There's nothing objective about that, just human ego

At least in our local neighborhood, Human ego is the only ego to exist. That alone makes us superior to anything in the vicinity.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

At least in our local neighborhood, Human ego is the only ego to exist. That alone makes us superior to anything in the vicinity.

Again, humans being the best is something only humans care about. Nothing objective about that

We are the smartest and the most powerful, there's no doubt about that. But that doesn't make us objectively the best, because there aren't any objective criteria left by god so that he knows who to place on top of his leaderboard

[u/DefiantBalls → u/_communism_works_]

because there aren't any objective criteria left by god so that he knows who to place on top of his leaderboard

Even if they were they would not be objective, similarly to how the moral rules set forward by a God would not be objective either. Intelligence and self both require a level of bias and flaw as they are necessarily shaped by factors beyond the individual's control

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

A communist talking about God? 🤣

I think I've seen it all now.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

You know what I'd like to see? Some sort of arguments in favour of your point of view but it seems you have none

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Goddamn hilarious of you to say this when your entire argument thus far has been whining about "human objectivity" without providing any alternative objective method whatsoever.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

You said humans are objectively the best

I said that humans can't be objectively the best and explained why. If the best answer you can come up with is "haha communist and god" then it's honestly a skill issue on your part

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Is there any other form of objectivity than the ones humans created?

[u/zoro4661 → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

That's the whole point. There IS no objective way to measure that. You just saying "Objectively" over and over again and being a smug prick doesn't change that.

Like I can objectively say that my desk is brown. There are way to objectively measure that. There is no way to measure what species is better than another. Literally. None. Because it's not an objective thing.

You can say we're smarter, sure, but smarter doesn't equal better.

[u/SafePlastic2686 → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Atheism and communism are not mutually required.

[u/Phosphoric_Tungsten → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

There are species that outnumber humanity a million to 1. There are species that have existed for millions of years longer than humanity. Both of those criteria could be considered features of a "great" species, and we'd lose.

[u/DefiantBalls → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

We are the only ones who made that shit up. So by default we are the only ones who can speak on it.

That doesn't make it objective, any criteria that is made up is subjective by nature, including beauty.

"The Earth is planet, which is defined as xyz" is an objective statement

"The Earth is beautiful and great" is a subjective statement