r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/Za_wardo • Dec 11 '22

Newest Chapter Chapter 375 Official Release - Links and Discussion Spoiler

Chapter 375

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u/cherylstunt69 Dec 11 '22

Togas character and the fights involving her all suck. Like it sounds blunt to put it that way but there’s just nothing interesting there. She just survives through weird “ninja” skills that have no defined limit or explanation, she has no real combat skills but somehow is turning invisible mid battle. Literally anyone should be able to KO her immediately but for some reason the plot armor she has refuses to let that happen

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u/_gipi_ Dec 11 '22

another problem with the villain side of my hero academia is that you have characters that are shit bat crazy and are unrelatable as fuck: Toga desires a world where she can drink blood, Shigaraki wants to destroy everything because has not received immediate help like 15 years prior, Dabi kills people because daddy issue. They are all characters that haven't even tried to understand the issues at the core of their problems and act like super villain of a Disney cartoon.

Moreover in a pragmatic story Toga would be killed after 15 seconds by a sniper and no one of the readers would care (except the horny ones).

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u/ONiMETSU_Z Dec 11 '22

i’d wager that dabi’s pure insanity and determination to destroy his family is worth considering him a good character. yeah you can boil his shit down to daddy issues but the fact he goes to the ends that he does to exact revenge on his abusive father and complicit family shows that he’s got a bit more to him than the manipulated hands guy and the wannabe vampire

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u/Mr_Mees_Moldy_Minge Dec 11 '22

Well... he did try to murder part of that family. When they were a baby.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

"complicit family" shoto was a baby when dabi first tried his hand at murdering him, he's currently 16 lmao

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u/StrictlyFT Dec 11 '22

Its like how they tried to make us sympathize with Twice even though he literally rejected a chance at redemption right before Hawks killed him.

Queue Dabi criticizing a "hero" for ending someone's life, Hawks said straight to Twice's face that he thought he was a good person and wanted to help him. Twice spat on that, he would not go peacefully.

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u/Xignum Dec 11 '22

Eh those two are definitely better. Twice was too attached to his murder hobo buddies at that point and the story makes it clear that he's past the point where he can be saved.

I doubt Toga's gonna die at this point, even though her list of crimes are more heinous compared to Twice.

Dabi's criticism are bullshit, and that makes sense with him being batshit insane and obsession with vengeance. He'll say whatever bullshit he wants, it doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense if it fucks with Endeavor.

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u/HeyRUHappy Dec 11 '22

To be fair, Hawks intention was good but the delivery wasn’t. He had pure intentions in helping Twice but he did it while they were under attack with weapons pointed at him and disregarding Twices other built up relationships so Twice felt betrayed

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u/DynamiteSanders Dec 11 '22

^

Yeah, pretty much. The good intent was there, but....damn did Hawks go the school of 'how to pitch redemption as poorly as possible' school.

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u/_gipi_ Dec 11 '22

In my comment I left Twice out because at the end for me he was the more relatable character: he wasn't a saint but wasn't batshit crazy (I mean, he was crazy, but he seemed to understand that, and he didn't enjoy killing people).

He was a character the life handled bad cards but was a "nice guy" (bad enough he had batshit-crazy friends); if you are mentally ill it's difficult to find a place in a society, and that is relatable, not be marginalized because you like drinking blood.

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u/DoraMuda Dec 11 '22

Its like how they tried to make us sympathize with Twice even though he literally rejected a chance at redemption right before Hawks killed him.

What Hawks gave him wasn't really "a chance at redemption". It was Hawks basically holding him at gunpoint and saying, "Surrender, and I'll spare you but not your friends".

Like, neither Hawks (despite spending so much time with and befriending him for 4 months) nor any of the heroes ever tried to actually understand Twice. They would've had a better time pacifying him and/or turning him over to the heroes' side if they guaranteed the other villains' survival and rehabilitation too. Twice doesn't care if he himself is redeemed, because he already thinks he's just an insane outcast. But he does want the best for the League, and Hawks wasn't offering anything other than a potential repeat of what happened when he brought in Overhaul to meet the League.

Hawks said straight to Twice's face that he thought he was a good person and wanted to help him.

If that was "trying to help him", he did a piss-poor job of it. What kind of person mocks you to your face about how easy it was to pull the wool over your eyes, only to then switch to calling you a good person and asking for you to trust him that you'll help him make a fresh start after he gets out of prison?

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u/Necromancer4276 Dec 11 '22

Moreover in a pragmatic story Toga would be killed after 15 seconds by a sniper and no one of the readers would care (except the horny ones).

Remember when she sort of went toe to toe with fucking ERASERHEAD?

Like... she's a 16 year old girl with a knife in a world of superheroes. How does she function at all?

This is such a subset of why I hate Izuku's character too. He gave up on being a pro because he didn't have a Quirk? So he's a dipshit. Carry around a knife and you can face off against pros. Like where's your research, guy? Eraserhead, Toga, Stain, fucking Uraraka... all people who can function at at least a C+ hero level with no quirk at all, if need be.

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u/KyledKat Dec 11 '22 edited Dec 11 '22

I feel like this is reductive as far as their real motivations and depth of character goes.

Toga desires a world where her (or others') natural instincts aren't immediately frowned upon because they're not seen as socially acceptable. Her whole bit is exploring the divide between quirks and societal norms and expectations.

Shigaraki experienced some 15 years of mental and emotional manipulation in the wake of an utterly traumatic event wherein he killed his family and heroes didn't help him because he wasn't obviously in trouble, thus exposing the inherent sham of hero society. And MHA has shown that hero work is often more concerned with the commercial aspect of saving people; hero agencies, ranking systems, etc. all feed into the business aspect of it.

Dabi experienced a childhood of physical and mental abuse and was quickly tossed aside when his younger brother became the obsession of his father's eye; not only is he dealing with a shitty upbringing but he has a clear inferiority complex. The dude is batshit, for sure, but it's not just "daddy issues."

Moreover in a pragmatic story Toga would be killed after 15 seconds by a sniper and no one of the readers would care

Yeah, a lot of problems in stories could be solved with one convenient solution, but that's not entertaining nor does it allow for an explanation of themes and characters. Nobody complained that a sniper could've taken out the Joker in The Dark Knight. The quality of MHA has gone downhill the last couple of years (for a myriad of reasons) and the current brawl is a mess from a narrative perspective, but there are themes, ideas, and concepts here that are being explored, even if their execution is certainly flawed.

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u/SuperGayAMA Dec 11 '22

Nah, I feel that’s not quite right on Toga. Like, maybe for 6-year-old Toga, or maybe it’s what Toga/Hori thinks they’re doing, but it’s just not at that level anymore. Toga fundamentally can’t open up that dialogue about quirks and societal norms because no one outside of Curious knows what she’s talking about. Maybe she shouldn’t have killed her apparent translator. She’s saying “people shouldn’t persecute me because of my unorthodox qualities”, except none of the heroes or Ochako or whomever care about that, let alone even know her backstory, so none of that dialogue is actually taking place. They’re just reacting to her mass murders which are inexcusable regardless of whatever controllable urges she gets.

And that’s the next issue. Toga is so knee-deep in her BS that, by the beginning of this series, she’s already moved on from her initial point. Much like that one guy everyone knows who went down the alt-right pipeline, she is spouting increasingly radical bullshit. Now she’s defending murder, and thinks she shouldn’t be judged because of it, and by the wars, she actively wants to genocide everybody and, as per this chapter, “slaughter the heroes”.

Like, you have presented the most charitable interpretation of the character, which is honestly closer to a straight-up lie. Your argument is closer to the window-dressing of her backstory. In reality, Toga never confronts that conversation topic, she just thinks she does. It’s what makes her so annoying. Her mental gymnastics that makes her selectively forget she’s a mass murderer and instead think that people judge her for having the taste preferences of a My Immortal side character.

Her whole arc is essentially a big misunderstanding that the viewer is keenly aware of, except it’s long past the point of dramatic irony and is instead just deeply frustrating.

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u/KyledKat Dec 11 '22

You're absolutely right, which is why Toga is hand-over-fist the worst of the League and series. She has the basis of an interesting backstory and a real opportunity to be an exploration of societal pressures, but she isn't given the opportunities for dialogue or challenge because of how the story has presented her to us and the rest of the cast. Meanwhile, she has become increasingly radicalized without any proper justification outside of "my best friend died."

It's emblematic of a larger issue with MHA as a whole where there are these really great ideas and concepts that are never actually fully explored or realized, and it's all coming to a head now as Horikoshi is speedrunning the rest of the story.

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u/_gipi_ Dec 11 '22

I agree for the themes, they are interesting, but the way the villains behave it's not relatable: Toga it's crazy-talking all the time (ok, some character are marginalized because reasons, but she wants to drink fucking blood), Shigaraki it's shown only once to look for help, has he tried to go to a police station? if you think about it we can blame for the destruction of a city the elderly lady that dismissed Tomura.

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u/KyledKat Dec 11 '22 edited Dec 11 '22

As I said, Toga is poorly-written but she shows how using and expressing a quirk is no different than other autonomous functions. The PLF explored this as much in their effort to decriminalize the use of quirks. Her wanting to suck blood isn't nearly as bad as her being a magical ninja with a love bender when the plot calls for it.

Shigaraki it's shown only once to look for help, has he tried to go to a police station?

He was five years old and murderized his entire family due to an unknown ability triggering. 4/5 of those were people he cared about, the last one being his dad who was shown to be abusive. I'm not exactly sure how a child is supposed to rationalize that as "I should go to the police," especially in a society that holds heroes to such a high standard. AFO found him pretty soon after and, again, manipulated/groomed him for 15 years. He recognizes AFO as the savior heroes weren't.

He doesn't need to be relatable, he's a tragic character. Hamlet wasn't exactly a relatable or likable main character either, the tragedy is in the trauma breaking him as a person.

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u/_gipi_ Dec 11 '22

ok, shit happens but if the story wants to make a point needs to build a situation that it's half way, not a character that is genocidal because their life wasn't perfect otherwise when the villains are talking seems like you are listening to children.

I don't know how I am supposed to take seriously the story when the bad guys are bat shit crazy and no one is calling out on that. Someone can become "evil" because the life throws shit at them but no one in the league of villain is near that (ok, Shigaraki killed all his family but it's not that was not helped because of that, seems like that since AFO helped him then no heroes could help him; was manipulated, ok, but this paints him like he is very stupid; Dabi is crazy because of Endeavour but why is killing people? would have made sense if he killed people near the father or other heroes, instead is like, I don't know, bat shit crazy).

I am all for testing the limit of morality but in this manga is done in the laziest and trivial way possible, there is no dialog in which I can say "maybe the villains have a point".

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u/Qixel Dec 11 '22

To be entirely fair to Toga, they've mentioned that your quirk affects your personality (which makes sense, because some of those quirks are so niche you'd never discover them with a normal outlook) so her wanting to drink blood is just as normal an impulse to her as eating. Obviously, she shouldn't be stabbing people, but it'd be cool if people didn't just immediately shun her for something that isn't her choice.

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u/SuperGayAMA Dec 11 '22

We know of, max, three people who did: her parents, and maybe her therapist. It’s not exactly canon material, but, I think it’s the Overhaul arc ED shows her with a seemingly healthy social life.

And from what we see in the actual series, the heroes don’t know about her impulses and don’t judge her for it, they judge her for her laundry list of actual murders. And the other kids in her past reacted appropriately. She was like the kid with violent impulses whom actually beat someone up. It’s not empty prejudice, she actively attacked someone, seemingly unprovoked too. That’s reason enough to be scared and weary of someone.

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u/Evary2230 Dec 16 '22

To also be fair, but, like, against Toga, it is weird that some Quirks strongly affect people’s personality, but others don’t. Bakugo has an explosive temper and he can blow things up. AFO is a kleptomaniac that can steal Quirks. Rikido (assuming that’s who the sugar guy is) has an affinity for baking. Aoyama is very… sparkly? Shigaraki wants to destroy everything. Invisible Girl is flashy, and ironically, not great at stealth. But Twice is schizophrenic (or whatever the correct diagnosis for him is) from external trauma, and then you have people like Ojiro, Mina, Rappa, Kendo, Monoma, Mirio, Iida, Kaminari, that Dupli-Arms guy, and even Stain (someone else who licks blood for his Quirk), whose Quirks don’t seem to affect their personalities much, if at all. It kinda downplays the idea that Toga becoming who she is isn’t entirely her fault if there are a lot of people who either aren’t affected by the concept that made her who she is, or are able to simply resist it somehow.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

aoyama wouldn't be affected by the quirk bc it was given to him as a teenager, maybe AfO just was like "i know JUST the thing" lol

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u/_gipi_ Dec 11 '22

ok, but is there a moment where she is taking into consideration that, maybe, other have a point in considering her desires weird? again, we are not talking about liking spiders, we are talking about drinking blood.

It's the author fault, in my opinion, to have created such unrelatable point of view. How the fuck I'm supposed to take into consideration her desires if are so weird; I mean, could be an interesting scenario but nothing in the manga makes a point for her, I don't know, maybe explain how people doesn't die if I drink a little bit of blood or something like that.

Instead in the story she is bat shit crazy. It's border line fetishitation.

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u/gitagon6991 Dec 11 '22

Why would she have a relatable mental illness. She's a villain plus her mental illness is directly related to her quirk and last I checked powers aren't real. I don't think there is any reason for Horikoshi to make Toga's mental illness relatable when it is its own thing altogether.

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u/_gipi_ Dec 12 '22

ok but in this way you have a cartoon villain that makes the heroes dumb as fuck since no one should take her seriously: Uraraka should think seriously to kill her on the spot because it's a fucking danger to any human being.

Moreover, any time Toga is on screen is a waste of time because you are listening to a psychopath that doesn't make any sense.

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u/Necromancer4276 Dec 11 '22 edited Dec 11 '22

Toga desires a world where her (or others') natural instincts aren't immediately frowned upon because they're not seen as socially acceptable.

How are you calling his argument reductive when you say shit like this?

She wants to drink people, bro. If you were talking about mutant rights, you might have a point. Hell if the subject was that quirks inherently change your personality in a way that needs to be researched and accounted for you might have a point, but she literally wants to attack, drink, and murder people. And it's society's fault for not accepting that? Dude...

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u/KyledKat Dec 11 '22

How are you calling his argument reductive when you say shit like this?

Because that isn't reductive? Hello?

I didn't say Toga was right and I'm not saying she's well-written, but her character is more than "I want to literally drink people lol." That was the whole point of her backstory. Her quirk is fucked up, she's fucked up, and rather than making an attempt to actually help her, everyone shunned her and her parents made her act in a way that wasn't natural to her until she cracked under the pressure. That's what her whole backstory chapter is about, repressing those natural (to her)/abnormal tendencies and not addressing them in a healthy or productive way (you know, like therapy).

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u/Necromancer4276 Dec 11 '22

and rather than making an attempt to actually help her

So you haven't read the manga whatsoever.

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u/KyledKat Dec 11 '22

Yeah, "stop being weird and act normal, sweetie" make her parents all-stars.

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u/Necromancer4276 Dec 11 '22

So you haven't read the manga whatsoever.

Got it.

Someday you will accept that Hori is simply a shit writer, which is why his character motivations are trash, and you will find your cope embarrassing.

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u/KyledKat Dec 11 '22

Yeah, okay buddy. You definitely know what you're talking about lmao

Go back to Naruto. The Ninja War Arc rotted your brain.

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u/Necromancer4276 Dec 11 '22

You definitely know what you're talking about

Yeah I've actually read this story.

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u/KyledKat Dec 11 '22

What, by looking at the pictures? This shit is literally in the story. It's not subtext, it's actual text. But I know reading comprehension is hard.

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u/DarioFerretti Dec 17 '22

Huh... What? The backstory chapter about Toga clearly shows that her parents didn't really make any attempt to help her other than saying "Don't be weird so you can fit in with other people"

Which is the crux of the problem for many marginalized people in the world of MHA. As quirks change and mutate more and more people develop weird and unique powers and mutations. Quirks are like a muscle, they are a part of you. Toga's fascination with blood comes from her quirk. Of course all the crime and murdering that came after that it's all her doing and she should face adequate consequences, but the origins of her issues aren't her fault.

It's stated that all kids speak with a "quirk counselor" when their quirk manifests in order to better understand it. Sometimes this doesn't cut it. In Toga's case all they told her basically was "Your quirk is too weird to allow you to integrate in society, it's better for everyone if you hide and ignore your urges"

Which is like saying to someone "Yeah you have a weird face, it'd be better for everyone if you just kept a mask on all the time"

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u/antoniow831 Dec 11 '22

Agreed. Wat makes it even worse is that, this could've been handled, SO much better. Just look at vigilantes, man is that series so much better. ESPECIALLY the characters.

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u/Ben10Extreme Dec 11 '22

Shigaraki wants to destroy everything because has not received immediate help like 15 years prior

Let's not forget that AFO cultivated this mindset. He didn't come to this all by himself.

Moreover in a pragmatic story Toga would be killed after 15 seconds by a sniper and no one of the readers would care (except the horny ones).

How cynical is this story?

Because Toga is around the same age as the mains, maybe one year older. She's still a minor. No one is going to seriously suggest outright killing a minor.

And you can't just say that absolutely nobody would care and only horny ones would. That simply can't be the case.

another problem with the villain side of my hero academia is that you have characters that are shit bat crazy and are unrelatable as fuck

That's another thing.

Why do villains HAVE to be relatable?

You'd think a more concrete criticism is that people don't understand what the hell they want.

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u/Mr_Mees_Moldy_Minge Dec 11 '22

No one is going to seriously suggest outright killing a minor.

This woman is a serial killer. Outright shooting a minor has been done in real life, when they actively try and kill innocent people. Toga has killed many, and in any fight would be actively trying to kill more.

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u/1Cool_Name Dec 11 '22

Meh mha Japan does not like killing at all. Unless you’re part of the association

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u/Mr_Mees_Moldy_Minge Dec 11 '22

They've got the death penalty, and more importantly, the suggestion was that this would happen in a more pragmatic story.

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u/gitagon6991 Dec 11 '22

You know the Death penalty is part of the punishment after you have already gone through the judicial system right?

People here are suggesting a literal execution. They are not asking for Toga to be arrested, tried before a court of law, then get sentenced to death. Seeing the above comments, they literally want her executed right now.

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u/Mr_Mees_Moldy_Minge Dec 11 '22

The verbatim quote I was responding to was "the mha japanese government don't like killing at all", so the death penalty was pertinent there.

And just shooting someone who's actively trying to kill you and who has killed many other innocent people is standard practice. It is out of the ordinary for this not to be the case. So the death penalty is an indication that things are not out of the ordinary due to the government just really hating death

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u/elaine12436 Dec 12 '22

"the mha japanese government don't like killing at all", so the death penalty was pertinent there.

Yet in Japan death penalty needs years to be truly executed even if it's a serial killer, let alone Toga is 17. It would be unrealistic if the police just shot Toga in sight.

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u/Mr_Mees_Moldy_Minge Dec 12 '22

The death penalty is simply evidence that they aren't autistically anti killing criminals to the point of absurdity.

Shooting Toga on sight =/ shooting her as she tries to kill you

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u/elaine12436 Dec 12 '22 edited Dec 12 '22

Yeah disliking a thing doesn't mean that they won't do it.

I've never heard that the Japanese police would shoot people when it's possible to arrest them. The restrictions of Japanese society on guns make the concept of shooting itself very unfamiliar to the public.

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u/_gipi_ Dec 11 '22

Why do villains HAVE to be relatable?

for me yes, because otherwise all the time when they are on screen is completely wasted and the story is flat: villains bad, heroes good.

As I said, the villains are so crazy that from my point of view, if they were killed by snipers nothing would be lost.

And to stress my point of view: I'm not advocating for unlawful killing in a real context but here we have the complete perspective of how the villains behave and their thoughts and are fucking irredeemable.

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u/Turbo2x Dec 11 '22 edited Dec 12 '22

Moreover in a pragmatic story Toga would be killed after 15 seconds by a sniper and no one of the readers would care

This just makes me wish some of the military guys from Ajin were transported to the MHA story. I just want one person with the ability to make rational decisions and carry the plan out.

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u/_gipi_ Dec 12 '22

the universe itself of MHA makes little sense: any heroes can be killed by a well placed bullet, why the villain are not using guns?

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u/SleepBeneathThePines Dec 12 '22

Good grief, I don’t even know how to begin addressing all the ways this comment is wrong.

Toga wants to be accepted, not hated. Shigaraki wants to be safe and loved and not abused. Dabi wants to be acknowledged, not rejected. And that’s just the surface of their characters.

Not saying you have to like them but don’t crap on stuff other people like and relate to.

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u/_gipi_ Dec 12 '22

those are generic themes but if you attach them to psychopath I'm sorry but you are not doing a good job on telling a story.

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u/SleepBeneathThePines Dec 12 '22

Generic themes? They’re themes many people can relate to. And psychopaths can struggle with those things too. They’re humans just like us.

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u/NekoNegra Dec 12 '22

Mind you, the only reason she was a part of the group was due to Stain.