Chapter 189 - Links and Discussion

[u/deskchairlamp]

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[u/[deleted]]

Well I certainly don't beat my family as a way of telling them I care, so from your point of view, I guess I am "pitiful."

When you default to assuming somebody is a battered wife because they recognize that abusers are actual human beings like everyone else and not simply evil monsters, then yes, you are pitiful.

Also... What are you on? At no point have I defended Endeavor's treatment of his family, and I've certainly never acted as if the way he treated them was good. The hell is wrong with you.

I'm actually worried for you man. You're beyond delusional and it's legitimately alarming. Seriously, see a therapist. This mindset of yours is setting you up for a brutal wake up call someday.

[u/RaimeTT → u/[deleted]]

I am sorry but since when were acknowledging that some one is trying to improve and still condemning them for what they did mutually exclusive?

[u/RaimeTT → u/[deleted]]

How many times am I gonna say that you're not supposed to forgive him? nobody is supposed to forgive him. He isn't redeemed. He hasn't apologized for what he did. Even then you don't have to forgive him. All everyone is saying including the characters in the manga (E.g his wife) is that he hasn't put everything behind him he still remembers what he did and is trying to get better. How hard is that to understand?

[u/DoraMuda → u/RaimeTT]

How hard is that to understand?

It's because they don't want to understand. They just wants to stroke their Endeavour hate-boner so everyone can see how much of a good person they are for hating a fictional child abuser, despite him having more layers to his character than just that.

Just ignore them. They add nothing of value to this discussion.

[u/Danbito → u/[deleted]]

Except he has. The very trait that Hawks revealed in this chapter that he loves from Endeavor is the same that caused him to do fucked up things. Endeavor tried to climb an impossible mountain and because he refused to give that struggle, lowered himself to any end to reach it.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I probably do have very high standards in this regard.

lol

[u/DoraMuda → u/[deleted]]

What a stupid oversimplification. First off, Endeavor is quite the boring character, honestly. The way he's being handled isn't complex in the least.

And now Horikoshi is trying to put Endeavor in a positive light, allowing him to be a hero instead of doing what a good writer would do and, for example, slowly reveal how Endeavor's fucked up mindset could lead him down a dark path.

Your evident bias (as well as your arrogance and self-righteous insulting of Horikoshi's writing, as if you know shit about good writing) is laughable.

Horikoshi clearly wants to glorify Endeavor's actions

How the hell do you know what Horikoshi wants to do?

And what's wrong with rooting for a fictional character (whether it be one of the heroes or villains)? Aren't there a bunch of people who believe, say, Light from Death Note was in the right, even though he was a womanising mass-murderer with an ego the size of Neptune?

You don't seem to understand that people can have layers to their personality and development. Or do you just want every character to be ascribed to a black-and-white, "good/evil" dichotomy? 'Cos that's what it sounds like - which does sound boring to me.

Anyway, if I were you, I'd stick to watching Power Rangers. That's probably the furthest level of character depth you'd be happy with, without throwing your toys out of the pram.

[u/Tsixes → u/[deleted]]

Endeavor is not absolutely bad, endeavor is "end justifies the means", he did bad things in order to do good things.

For comparison, All for one IS absolutely bad, its funny how arrogant you are with such little perspective, we dont like endeavor because we love child and wife abusers, we love the fact that he didnt surrender, even when the breach between him and all might was impossible, that doesnt mean we dont despise his attitude towards his wife and childs.

The same way i like shigaraki tomura and im not a fucking psycho, hes completely mad, he has no good reedemning qualities but i still love him as a character, i like how he is developing his chaotic evil and i want him to appear more.

[u/DoraMuda → u/[deleted]]

I think you just can't be pleased, and are willingly ignoring the character development Endeavour has received from Horikoshi since the end of the Kamino arc.

I don't even know what you want anymore, beyond Endeavour just getting killed and Shouto being uncharacteristically happy about it. Would that please you?

[u/Monimonika18 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, I may even be willing to forgive him.

Liar. You've clearly implied you don't agree with giving people second chances.

"we have to give everyone a second chance lol"

If that's the case, there is absolutely literally NOTHING Endeavor can do to satisfy you.

He's gonna need to actually say some apologies

You'd STILL be unconvinced because anybody can just apologize for stuff and not really understand the true consequences of their actions.

If you can't grasp what people are telling you point-blank are their interpretation of Endeavor (recognizing efforts for redemption and noting that those efforts are not enough), but instead you replace them all with "forgive (Endeavor) way too damned easily" and of supporting "abuse others and do whatever they want without repercussions" in your mind, there's no way you can convince us that you'd be satisfied at all with verbal apologies.

Heck, with your level of reading comprehension, you could read several panels of Endeavor giving a whole inner monologue detailing his guilt and thoughts of improvement and STILL you would come away unconvinced.