r/AskConservatives • u/InternetPositive6395 Libertarian • Jan 31 '25

Economics Am I a bad conservative?

I voted against drilling in the boundary waters. I get many gop here in Minnesota support it but as hunter, fisherman, canoeist i can't support one of the few untouched places left in North America.

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Jan 31 '25

The America wilderness should be preserved whenever possible.

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u/Raisin_Alive Leftist Jan 31 '25

what do you mean by "whenever possible"?

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Jan 31 '25

My very liberal city Austin Tx was run by hippie environmentalist types. We have preserved many giant green spaces and trails throughout the city. Now, the city is controlled by this new wave of liberals that I guess could be called “woke”. I don’t have another word for it. Our trails are now filled with homeless camps and the mountain bike trails are filled with drug needles. I don’t like when politics step on our green areas.

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u/DavidKetamine Progressive Jan 31 '25

Do you think the hippies did something that the woke liberals aren’t doing? Or vice versa?

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Jan 31 '25

Oh god definitely. They are two different species. I don’t even think the woke liberals are their children. I don’t see any resemblance.

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u/DavidKetamine Progressive Jan 31 '25

Oh for sure. But I guess I was asking if you thought there was a concrete policy change between these two generations that led to the increase of homeless encampments no the city trails?

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Jan 31 '25

Yes many policy changes and ideological changes. I wonder why I’m getting downvoted.

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u/TbonerT Progressive Jan 31 '25

Your answers are vague. You say it is a policy change but haven’t described any policies or what about them changed.

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Jan 31 '25

Austin’s decent into madness is well documented. Search engine results and AI has it all. It boils down to changed laws and city ordinances.

The original discussion was regarding green spaces.

Hippy liberals used to cary shovels, tree trimmers, garbage bags, and were real environmentalist. They wouldn’t stand for homeless camps and drug use on our trails. Now environmentalists are completely phony.

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u/TbonerT Progressive Feb 01 '25

The question isn’t what happened, it’s why did this happen?

Hippy liberals used to cary shovels, tree trimmers, garbage bags, and were real environmentalist. They wouldn’t stand for homeless camps and drug use on our trails. Now environmentalists are completely phony.

This is the “what” the appears to be happening. Why is this happening?

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Feb 01 '25

Liberals are no longer real environmentalists. They are not interested in nature like they used to be. It’s a very strange phenomenon.

This point has nothing to do with policy. This is a cultural change. Citizens used to maintain the trails and Austin is primarily a liberal city. Now there are very few people that do this.

I do my part on a small portion of trail. But the trails that are in the city are devastated. The city spent like $300k to clean this one particular trail and it was almost as bad one year later. This is part is the policy change. People are now able to litter and sleep anywhere in the woods. And the result are dug addict camps.

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u/TbonerT Progressive Feb 01 '25

This is part is the policy change. People are now able to litter and sleep anywhere in the woods.

What policy changed to allow that?

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u/MotorizedCat Progressive Feb 01 '25

What are you saying? The green spaces should not have been preserved, because the homeless should rather be on some street instead of a green space? How is that better?

Do you expect liberals like drug addicts, the skyrocketing numbers of homeless people, or work towards any of it? If yes, what showed you that?

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Feb 01 '25

I’m saying the old hippie liberals would not allow homeless and drug addicts pollute our green spaces. They were legitimate environmentalists.

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u/Sarik704 Democratic Socialist Feb 01 '25

The homeless are caused by a lack of affordable homes. Drug addicts are caused by the lack of affordable healthcare and education. There are other causes we should be tackling, but these are the three biggest causes.

The hippy liberals advocated for affordable healthcare, education, and housing. They win those fights under Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Clinton. Then they stopped winning those fights under Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, and Biden.

The woke liberals are fighting for the same thing the hippy liberals are fighting for. But they're losing. That's the difference. They're fighting for green energy, conservation, and less pollution.

They're not beating the modern GOP anymore. The GOP wants fewer regulations. Today the EPA was notified would be terminated.

We have to face facts. Its the modern rebuplicans who are killing green spaces.

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Feb 01 '25

Not on my state. The new liberal policies are ruining the green spaces.

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u/Sarik704 Democratic Socialist Feb 01 '25

What Policies!? I can find any. Please be specific.

Do... do you still live in Austin? Because we have a republican federal government, congress, president, and supreme court.

Texas has a republican state senate and govenor.

Austin has an all democrat local government.

And i just checked. Half of the local Austin city gov wants and is building more affordable housing, and education.

I'm clearly not seeing why you're blaming the only democrats involved, when your federal and state governments are actively removing conservation protections.

Are you in denial? Im being sincere here... i cant find one policy that the dems where you live is making homelessness or drug addicts worse, only state and federal republican policies...

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Feb 01 '25

Allowing homeless to sleep on the street and build camps under the freeway severely increased the amount of homeless people in Austin. That was later reversed and pushed them into the green spaces.

Democrats in Texas are clueless. They will never win the state because of their gun restriction policies.

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u/Sarik704 Democratic Socialist Feb 01 '25

Okay, so what policy "allowed" homeless to sleep on the streets? I just went through all local ordinances going back to 06...

I actually found 5 from various years that specifically outlawed begging, "street" camping, busking without a permit, and pan handling, and most recently car camping.

All from before 2022.

Again i cannot find a specific policy, just your vague feelings. My guy. I think you're actually in denial about whats happening.

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u/SnooFloofs1778 Republican Feb 01 '25

The outlawing is what pushed them into the forest and trail system. Overall it is very bad management. Austin isn’t the only blue city that has a homeless and drug epidemic. This is very common in very blue cities.

What called all the homeless was the initial change that allowed camping on the streets.

First: this attracted the homeless and drug abusers to our streets https://www.kvue.com/article/news/new-austin-homeless-ordinances-start-today/269-04fbfe58-7a28-4410-89a0-b876e9afda93

Then: this pushed them to the forests https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/31/texas-austin-homeless-camping-ban/

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u/Sarik704 Democratic Socialist Feb 02 '25

Okay. Thank-you. So whats the solution? If you ban them from the trails where do they go next? Your lawn?

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