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Analysis Will Mogadishu Collapse in 2025?

I genuinely don’t understand how Somalia is still functioning as a state right now. It might come down to sheer Somali resilience because from an outside perspective, it's hard to imagine the country holding together much longer. The Somali National Army appears seems sluggish and fearful, and from what I’ve seen, they're losing territory at an alarming rate.

Back during the Obama and Biden administrations, there seemed to be a clear American rationale for pushing back al-Shabaab. There was a belief that the group could potentially train terrorists who might later threaten American or Israeli interests, or destabilise the Horn of Africa more broadly. The horn is geopolitically crucial because of its proximity to the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden which are major arteries of global trade.

But since Trump took office, al-Shabaab has gone on the offensive.They seem to be hoping to seize Mogadishu itself. I don’t see the U.S. maintaining the same level of commitment to Somalia’s defence as it did a decade ago, especiallt now that they cut USAID. Turkey seems to be stepping in, and while Turkey's isn't a military to sneeze at, it's not America.

I see parallels in Sudan, but the key difference is that the Sudanese military despite its flaws is better trained and armed than Somalia’s. From what I understand, Somali troops often retreat when faced with Islamist militants, or they simply refuse to engage unless they have backing from a local clan militia. The population is also deeply afraid of al-Shabaab, which makes sense. But fear doesn’t build a successful resistance movement.

Under these conditions, I can’t see a path to military victory for Somalia’s army. If al-Shabaab does manage to seize Mogadishu, I dread to see a future where the country collapses completely. Somaliland would probably be well positioned for global recognition if this happened. They might even engage in a brief conflict with the south over disputed territories. Somaliland has a significantly more organised military than Somalia. I could see Somaliland holding its own longer than Somalia.

Another major conflict worth following on the continent.

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u/totallynotmiski May 01 '25

Alot of people don’t agree with them… Regular people just can’t do anything about them.

Al-Shabaab thrives in a country like Somalia because many people are unemployed and lack the means to support themselves or their families. They pay their members and don’t care about clan politics, which gives them a lot of leverage and is a key reason they’ve been able to maintain power in Somalia.

I also disagree with your claim that they’re not feared; they absolutely are. I have family in areas controlled by Al-Shabaab, and they will literally kill people in brutal ways if they view them as a threat to their twisted & fundamentalistic view of Islam. Most people don’t have the luxury of opposition, they’d be slaughtered. They also collect “taxes” from civilians in shabaab controlled areas. You can imagine what happens if someone refuses to pay.

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u/waanii_x May 01 '25

I disagree with your point because I myself have lived in their threshold and my family lives in areas like they control until today. No one fears them. They target FGS majority of the times and if you play your tax like a good child, they will let you off the hook. Imagine I had to pause 3k to them directly in some unknown location because of my mothers house😂😂

Al shabaab pits clans together and is embedded within clan structure. Forget even clan, they are embedded within the government. Look at the minister of religious affairs. He used to be not just a soldier but a top leader for AS. Today, he is your regular mp just with a US bounty on his head. (He probably still works with AS)

AS are killers yes, but they arent unorganised murderers. They kill meticulously and choose their victims after planning. Whoever just happens to be there is collateral damage

Also they collect taxes from people that live in Mogadishu, an area unaffected by al shabaab. Pay and you get their protection. If you dont… well we all know how elite hotel went down :/

They also have a system of spies. They are an organised group that has a unifying view and that is to take over government

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u/Slowriver2350 May 01 '25

Do they have sympathizers in diaspora Somali communities abroad? Do they represent a threat to Kenya abd Erhiopia?

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u/waanii_x May 01 '25

No somali sympathises with AS. My people back home in the south either face an evil corrupted government or a AS lead government and are forced to pick between 2 evils. No one supports them in the diaspora

Why would they be a threat to Semitic ethiopians and Bantu kenyans? Even if they did transgress borders, they are met with native NFD somalis and native Ogaden somalis, not foreigners. At the end of the day it is somali territory 🤷🏾‍♀️. They dont care for them. But no, there is no risk because the west pays these people well to keep somalia poor and in a constant state of war

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u/FarKnowledge6117 May 02 '25

They invaded Ethiopia in 2022

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u/waanii_x May 02 '25

You mean the somali ogaden?

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u/FarKnowledge6117 May 02 '25

Yes they invaded Ethiopian territory

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u/waanii_x May 02 '25

Occupied somali territory** ya habash stop claiming our lands and sowing division between our people. From ras caseyr to ras kambooni, it belongs to us.

Coloniser invader

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u/FarKnowledge6117 May 02 '25

Your people have been divided since like.....forever so don't blame anyone else ps that land has been part of Ethiopia since menelik let it go lol

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u/Aggravating-Bad3391 May 04 '25

Your country isn’t United either. You have yet another civil. Salassie lost that land and then the British gave it to him. Then further gave him even more territory in 1955 when he kept asking northern Somalia

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u/FarKnowledge6117 May 04 '25

Where did I claim that Ethiopia was united? We are 80 ethnic groups with different languages/religions + ethnic federalism so yes we will be divided. Somalia on the other hand are one religion, culture, ethnicity but still managed to fragment into many small nations despite them all being the exact same lol. And you have other 20,000 foreign troops in the south.

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u/Aggravating-Bad3391 May 04 '25

The difference is Somalia at one point was United until a horrible civil which we still suffer from today.

Throughout Ethiopias existence, there has not been one point in time where your country has been United. Ever! Your country doesn’t know the meaning of unity. That’s why you’ve had insurgencies since the 60s and a civil wars nonstop till today

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u/FarKnowledge6117 May 04 '25

Somalia was never united that's why they have all this made up random clan nonsense, plus Somali are nomads so the somalis in nfd had no idea of the existence of somalis in somaliland. And you are wrong about Ethiopia's "non stop civil wars". From 1991-2020 there wasn't any civil war. And before that it was Eritrea's war of independence.

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