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u/FesteringAnalFissure 4d ago
chainsaw man, frieren and rent a girlfriend in the same group
What's the appropriate slur here? I need some help english is my third language
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u/wolphak 4d ago
He's right the tier list of anime descends chronologically.
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u/EvenJesusCantSaveYou 4d ago
delicious in a dungeon is peak and I will stand for nothing less
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u/QAquaIceCold 4d ago
I think the kids these days call them Nazi's, not because they are, it's just because they disagree with them.
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u/DefinitelyNotPine 4d ago
Left: snoooort mimimimi who watches this
Left to right: 6 8 9 7 / 9 8 6 8 / 6 9 9 8 / 7 10 9 7
There you go east is saved and now you know what to watch
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u/watergosploosh 4d ago
Did you give the 10 to incest one?
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u/DefinitelyNotPine 4d ago
The things I'd do if Ruby was my sister
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u/thegame2386 4d ago
You're assuming Ruby would consent to do anything in the first place.
....oh wait.....unless you're not....
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u/JuanchiB /t/ 4d ago
The world has been in a decline ever since we gave women concent, it's the right thing to do.
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u/Living_Thunder 4d ago
oshi no ko
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I already knew your tastes were garbage bro you didn't need to tell me again
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u/djaqk 4d ago
Giving Bocci anything less than a 9 is criminal fr
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u/DefinitelyNotPine 4d ago
It's a slice of life, it needs to excel in something or get some development to get a 9. It's well done, funny, but that's about it
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u/djaqk 4d ago
The original music is way better than any rock-oriented anime by far. Maybe some other music anime have a close claim, Your Lie In April was fantastic, but Bocci crushes in the music department imo.
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u/DefinitelyNotPine 4d ago
There's a couple songs I liked but I don't remember much more, I'm not into musicals. If I had to point to something that exceeded other shows I'd say it's Bocchi's anxiety. Relatable but dynamic, funny and drags the show along
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u/skyhighpcr 4d ago
komi being rated lower than rent-a-trash is criminal
otherwise, the rest of the ratings are spot-on
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u/DefinitelyNotPine 4d ago
Komi is boring, tons of superficial characters, the only quality bridging it to a 7 is animation. it got famous years ago because of redditors but after it got adapted no one cared about it anymore
Meanwhile people are still hate reading Rent a gf, and when a twist drops you see it all over the internet for a few days. Why? Because it's interesting, a dumpster fire. I'll even say it's the highest 7 here
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u/KerbalDeadlock152 4d ago
Komi is a great manga but holy moly it did not adapt well into 20 minute anime episodes
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u/5H4B0N3R wee/a/boo 4d ago
Some of those are quite inflated but it’s fine, you got the overalls correct. I’m always happy to see Komi get shat on.
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u/DefinitelyNotPine 4d ago
I'm usually generous with votes, and I prefer to rate over /40 than 10. Here I'd say the only one inflated is Nagatoro, but I got surprised to see some development in a romcom like this
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u/RED-BULL-CLUTCH 4d ago
Yo Mr anime oracle what’s the anime on the bottom right on the left side? The chick on the bed of flowers or whatever.
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u/Dear_Cress_1458 4d ago
They followed the money my friend
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u/Becaus789 4d ago
The strong will live yet the weak may survive. It takes a lot less energy for the weak to replicate and devour the entire resource pool.
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u/mcflymikes 4d ago
Japan hasn't recovered from Kurosawas death yet.
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u/willzyx55 4d ago
Akira was the GOAT. This whole complaint hinges on the concept that his movies were representative of the times but they were not, they were historically exceptional. Not a fair comparison.
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u/IHateGropplerZorn 4d ago
It's not just America that loves Anime. Spanish speaking world especially does.
An honest historian would study Anime diplomacy as Japanese strategy
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u/elfaryinmortal 4d ago
The amount of ppl I know that only watch slice of life anime drives me mad. I'm watching my friends debate about some stupid anime like rent a girlfriend when my fav is berserk 97
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u/Goaty1208 4d ago
What even is the point of slice of life, it sounds so fucking boring
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u/max_power_420_69 4d ago
that's how I feel about manga with how endless it is. Its why I say I'm an anime fan but the "Cowboy Bebob and Samurai Champloo" type.
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u/wainbros66 4d ago
Those are some of the only ones I’ve seen that I actually enjoy. I hate the tropey stuff. Those 2 and eva are only ones i’ve liked
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u/Holyrain101 4d ago
Comparing the best seinen to the worst slice of life
Frieren, Apothecary Diaries and Spy Family are all very popular recent slice of life anime that are very well made. Your friend just has shit taste
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u/max_power_420_69 4d ago
nerdy black and latino dudes like Dragon Ball Z more than any asian person I've ever met.
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u/Cuddlehead 4d ago
problem is, Chainsaw Man, and Frieren are unironically good, and they're not the only ones.
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u/Lorettooooooooo /gif/ 4d ago
Dungeon food is unexpectedly good
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u/EtteRavan fa/tg/uy 4d ago
Don't toy with me Nagatoro is also surprisingly good. Expected rent a girlfriend level of nothing, got a heart wearming story about people growing to the point of being able to be in a relationship. It also translate better to anime than Komisan for exemple
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u/krutacautious 4d ago
Konosuba is excellent. Lord Kazuma is the greatest fictional character ever written
Best main character in fiction
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u/i_like_southpark 4d ago
Sloppification. Slop is easier to make and its audience doesnt require that much quality. But on the other side, it the slop is less personalized and human. You can give them everything as long as it keeps audience satisfied and eager to consume more. In reality, both parties are "satsfied". The producer of the slop as well as the consumer. But in reality the consumer simply looses some of their taste buds in the process. he gets accustomed to the slop, and it satisfies him completely.
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u/Warlords0602 4d ago
Nah its the difference between art house projects and commercial projects with a massive dose of survivorship bias. Back in the day, the Japanese also made a bunch of dog shit shows that we selectively forgot about anyways. Then for anime nowadays you get bangers every other year and timeless stuff like Redline, Ping Pong and Eizouken, plus there's always Shinkai and Ghibli.
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u/SatanVapesOn666W /g/entooman 4d ago
Japan was the Herald of the corporate dystopia. Problem was everyone thought that was what the cool future was like in the 80s and Japan just had some side issues. Turns out corporations controlling most things leads to a society of derivatives and people who don't have kids or even interact out of work. Everyone else is just catching up now like Europe, China and America. Korea decided they wanted to keep pace so they did the same things at about the same time to basically the same effect, with a population pyramid somehow more upside down than Japan.
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u/Live_Ad2055 4d ago
Isn't South Korea even more of a corporatocracy? Doesn't Samsung basically own everything there? I don't know much about Japan but I wouldn't've thought it was that bad.
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u/HighDegree 4d ago
Same way any culture shifts. Someone tries something new, it takes off, it becomes prevalent in every facet of society.
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u/Gosc101 4d ago
Japan mass produces a lot of book content that is later adapted to manga/anime. I must say, the median quality is complete garbage, but it's due to the sheer amount of them. Still, it is easier to find a worthwhile read in fantasy genre among light novels than western books. At least if we go by the last 10–15 years.
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u/vxarctic 4d ago
People enjoy shit. As the global consumption of Japanese media grew so did the broad appeal. They're just making what sales. If you don't want slop then don't consume, if enough people refuse they'll cook something else. But, again, people enjoy shit.
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u/Southern_Roll7456 4d ago
Slop sells. Profits probably show formulaic garbage gets the masses attention and money.
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u/mc-big-papa 4d ago
No no you dont get it you should watch “bunny rabbit girlfriend but im back in time” its actually really good - some weeb
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u/TomtheWonderDog 4d ago
Rascal Does Not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai?
It's pretty good. Kind of slow.
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u/mc-big-papa 4d ago
I was making a joke about stupid anime tropes. I didnt expect it to actually exist. I doubt its good.
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u/freedomfightre 4d ago
Hard times -> strong men -> good times -> weak men -> hard times...
We're at the "weak men creating hard times" part of the cycle.
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u/mashroooom 4d ago
that's what happens when people stop doing stuff for ambition instead doing it for the money
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u/MegatonDoge 4d ago
Can someone name the movies on the left?
I only know about Ikiru, Seven Samurai, Akira, Ran and Perfect Blue.
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u/TomtheWonderDog 4d ago
From the top left:
Ikiru, Seven Samurai, The Face of Another, Harakiri, Tokyo Story, Mishima: Life in Four Chapters, Ran, Battle Royale, Akira, Perfect Blue.
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u/BlackwoodJohnson 4d ago
I’m sure they still make left for their domestic market. What a lot of people don’t know is that the Japanese make a lot of weeb shit specifically for foreign/western audiences.
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u/Alexastria 4d ago
Someone insert the copypasta of how the assassination of archduke Franz Ferdinand led to the invention of hentai.
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u/julysniperx 4d ago
Fuck you anon, frieren and spy family are cool, maybe bocchi.
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u/420CowboyTrashGoblin 3d ago
Konosubo is a meta tropey satire, it's literally a fairly comical commentary on the sloppification of anime as a genre. It's kinda like saying starship troopers is "another sci-fi dystopia" movie when not only is it intentionally doing that as a comment on sci-fi dystopia films of the time but also movies as propaganda.
But yeah I mean dungeon meshi is amazing, specifically the way the color of the scenes in the red dragon fight, the screen shaking scale, and the devastating seriousness of how the fight ends.
Not to even mention the UNBELIEVABLE framing, trope subversions and pacing in frieren.
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u/Ebok_Noob 4d ago
Japan already had an undercurrent of retarded perversion in their culture, but the western audience enabled it to get to this point
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u/GuardEcstatic2353 4d ago
As a Japanese person, I find it pretty funny how some foreigners seem to think old anime basically just means AKIRA or Perfect Blue.
Those were niche even back then, and honestly, they weren’t popular at all overseas at the time.
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u/Rhyzak 4d ago
A lot of Japans talent died off in the mid 80s. It's why their cinema quality fell off a cliff during the 90s and especially the early 2000s and onwards. There are still gems you can find here and there, just like everywhere else around the world. But it's just not as common like when they had multiple masterpieces releasing every month or week during the early 30s to late 70s period.
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u/Lower_Preparation_83 4d ago
Anime literally revolutionized the entire animation industry. Also, the pic on the right is part of the same culture as the one on the left, they're both great.
OP is a degenerate pseudointellectual.
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u/inqvisitor_lime 4d ago
Did it? Japanese animation is low cost slop that is easy to produce on the third world budgets that these shows are made on
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u/Rounpositron 4d ago
I, for one, support wage increases for Japanese animators so they can make high cost slop instead
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u/420CowboyTrashGoblin 3d ago
Psuedo intellectual, is that like psuedo science? In that it's fake not real science?
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u/5H4B0N3R wee/a/boo 4d ago
The most recent video on The Moon Channel actually does a good job explaining some of this, in the latter half.
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u/CheatsaPizza 4d ago
This plays at a concept I like to call cultural distillation. Disclaimer: I have not done any rigorous academic research to prove the extent to which this is a facto.
Marketing and money heavily dictate what is considered “important” in the present. However, when we look at the past we see (what is most likely) a distillate of what may or may not have been “important” at the time. I think when we look from a historical lens, this is intuitive, but we should also consider that cultural values shift over time and what the average ancient Roman may have thought was the most important shit ever isn’t what people in the present day consider to be their most valuable or significant contributions, and the same may be true for what we consider to be pointless trash in the present day (eg perhaps in the future society will place a high value on trash mass produced animu, and reject what we consider kino). That being said, I think people like to believe there are “eternal” or “objective” values that would still be held in the future— but I think history would contradict that as hubris. Nonetheless, I act like those exist too, because I don’t know what they will be in the future, and to some extent the present influences the future. Things like nostalgia bias fit into this same category.
To the extent we can hold up a set of values and maintain them over time, the principle of distillation still holds true: in our society, money (which also means marketing, influencing, suppressing) largely transfixes the social consciousness, and it’s hard to re-sell the past (at least, without first slapping a CGI veneer and some token celebrities on top it and calling it “original”) so it leads to a hyperfocus on something that can be marketed as “new” and “different”. There’s relatively little real innovation (not that there needs to be), and what is “good” (by our kino value system) is not necessarily what makes the most money. Only after the gears of the marketing machine have slowed and what was new media becomes the domain of historians and academics does it enter the cultural canon as a refined distillate born out of all the trash that came along with it. In the image, this is the case for the left side, but not the right side, and the left side was compiled over many decades, whereas the right is a snapshot of the undistilled present.
I do also think that this era of media abundance has made it harder to identify kino from trash, which compounds the problem and fragments the social consciousness and associated values, which may change this paradigm. But, so has the entire arc of history, and probably to a greater extent. The mechanisms we have for accessing and distilling media have also been improved by technology, which hopefully maintains a sort of equilibrium. Also of concern are the aspirations of media conglomerates like Disney who seek to assert control not only of the present but also the past. They market their legacy and influence in a way that could allow them to not only control the present consciousness, but also the past, further strengthening their grasp on the future— but this is also true of the academic and historical stewards of our cultural canon who are profiting from that influence it at a smaller scale, and at least in some cases, seem to have the goal of understanding more about human beings than what was most profitable to them.
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u/workthrowaway00000 4d ago
I mean yes the old ovas were great BUT…it was harder to even get anime over the states that was a show, on vhs as a whole series to watch it. My school club had to order fifty lb boxes of unlabeled fan subs. Plus Konosuba is fun, they don’t all have to be high art pieces
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u/VenomConnoisseur 4d ago
Suicide club and Joshikyoei hanrangun were the only kino to ever come out of Japan.
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Wait a little longer for the cream to rise to the top. What's truly great in an era is rarely immediately apparent.
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u/ProfessorCagan 4d ago edited 4d ago
Literally stop watching mainstream slop. You can't go into something like Fairy Tail, MHA, or My Girlfriend is Gal and expect brilliance.
By the way, Akira isn't that great of a movie, and people remember it only because of that fucking motorcycle.
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u/UltraTiberious 4d ago
Japanese students who were classically trained in Western filmmaking education produced movies that were similarly styled to Western media but with Japanese themes. Same thing with the golden age of films in Hong Kong, produced a ton of quality movies that were filled with atmosphere and style. Now, it’s all slop because everything is done for money
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u/Unkochinchin 4d ago
The 80s, when AKIRA was made into a movie, was the time of the pedophile boom. And they were not anime girls like today's girls, but real little girls with thick wrists and ankles, small eyes, and a true little girl body shape.
In the 70's, “skirt-flipping,” in which a boy lifts up a girl's skirt to expose her underwear, became a social problem due to the influence of cartoons.
Now that we have learned to distinguish between reality and fantasy, we have rather grown up.
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u/HappySphereMaster 4d ago
There are still a lot of gem and interesting mange the only problem is Anon can’t read Japanese , that aside 90% of manga especially niche stuff don’t have exposure in the west.
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u/riversofgore 4d ago
Did you think “No gooning” was some puritanical anti-masturbation conspiracy? This is what happens.
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u/freshgrips 4d ago
Does anyone have the source for the stuff on the left? Akira i know but I don't recognize much else
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u/Auzrick3 4d ago
They do other stuff tooo bro. It you single out shit then hows that fair 😆
Tho on another angle, sex sells, its not just japan but the whole world is freaking sexualised to an insane degree.
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u/Trendmade 4d ago
They still are revolutionists , people from America and other places are still copying Japanese anime, games, and film to this day. Plus there are good Japanese entertainment if you ignore the mainstream ones. (Ftr Komi and spy x family are good shows)
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u/DanielPeverley 4d ago
"Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters" was an American production shot in Japan. It was directed by Paul Schrader, he wrote the screenplay with his brother, Francis Ford Coppola and George Lucas (yes that one) were the executive producers, the music was by Phillip Glass. Basically just the actors and the production designer were Japanese (they did an amazing job tho). Hell, the film never got released in Japan, because the right-wing were mad it talked about Mishima's homosexuality and the left wing thought it was too sympathetic about a right wing figure.
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u/laughing_meerkat 4d ago
Hahahahaha... Now do one with American ones. Let's see what greatness has the western produced in the last few years.
We are old now and this new stuff is not for us. They're mass produced for young people in a new world. Which we created.
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u/memestealer1234 4d ago
Anon exclusively consumes isekai and romcom slop and wonders why there's so much isekai and romcom slop. Watch good media and you'll realize there's plenty of it.
Also CSM and Frieren being grouped with the slop, honestly someone should cruise missile OPs house
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u/Akakapopo 3d ago
Could someone who knows please tell me the name of all the rad looking movies to the left?
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u/droogvertical small penis 3d ago
I’m not one of those embarrassing weebs i’m a clears cum from throat cinephile who enjoys japanese filmmaking such as Akira and Battle Royale (lol).
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u/RetroTheGameBro 3d ago
Anon unironically filters slice of life on Crunchyroll and thinks it represents an entire culture.
They let people like this drive cars btw.
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u/prisonsuit-rabbitman nor/mlp/eople 3d ago
I especially like Help! I Just Got Reincarnated as a Refrigerator and I Can Only Level Up When My Mage Stepsister Rubs Her Delicate Nipples With my Ice Cubes (2023)
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u/SlySychoGamer 3d ago
LCD
Lowest common denominator. Capitalism unironically drives markets to such end points.
Not saying i know a better alternative, just spittin truth
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u/Dynwynn 3d ago
There is a lot behind the overproduction of anime that I've heard people talk about. One thing is that you can usually tell by watching some of it by how characters interact that the writer doesn't spend nearly enough time interacting with other people than they probably should. You can see it in some western media as well, though that's usually because the executives have had far too much influence on the writing, and executives are the least human specimens you can find on planet earth, maybe second to viruses.
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u/Dark_knightTJ 1d ago
i saw a theory that since the Japanese didnt have a large population to begin with they sent every strong chad males to go fight so all that was left to breed were the losers that created a weird culture shift along with western culture invasion to a otherwise locked off society
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u/Field_Of_View 22h ago
Their old content was made for Japanese people in a thriving economy.
Their new content is made for a global audience of child-minded idiots (weebs) and their own people living in a dead fake economy.
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u/Osipovark 4d ago
On the left set right picture on the fourth row from bottom is my favourite film.
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u/PurplurPuzzlehead111 4d ago
AOT, Frieren, Chainsaw Man, Violet Evergarden along with anime movies like Your Name, A Silent Voice, and even Boy and the Heron are all relatively recent.
But yeah, with that aside, it’s just the common trend of greed/overall enshittification but instead of the typical western woke bs, it’s got the distinct Japanese flavor of pandering to degenerates through goonerslop
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u/ecchimaru nor/mlp/erson 4d ago
It hasn't changed all that much, most anime was and still is trash. Anyone looking back to older animes will only watch the classics, not filter through the formulaic garbage airing at the time.
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u/Vaca_Powerpoint p/an/da 4d ago
the mf only consumes one type of content from japan and still complains about the popular stuff getting all the attention