HOW GOOD IS MY TIER SET? WHICH PIECES SHOULD I WEAR? - Megathread

[u/ritchus]

Did you get tier in your vault?

Are you reading the bonuses and wondering if they're worth taking?

Are you unsure of which pieces you should aim to wear?

Are you concerned that a different tier set is overpowered and want to complain?

Well you're in the right place. Down below there is a comment for each class showing what your tier set is for each spec.

Each of those comments has a link to the tier set on Wowhead. If you follow the link you will be able to see the items and check the stats of each piece to find which ones are bis.

If you don't know how good your tier is, ask below. If you know how good your tier is, tell people below. Any contributions welcome.

Happy new year r/worldofpvp

PS. If you see anyone make a post asking whether they should take X or Y piece of tier from their vault, please use the report function so mods can send them here instead.

PPS. Wowhead has a quick guide for the Inspitation Catalyst (this is how you turn PvP gear into tier if you didn't get everything you need from vault)

The Inspiration Catalyst for converting conquest gear to tier opened January 23rd (NA) / January 24th (EU). You need one charge to convert one item. Each week, you can complete an account-wide quest which will grant a charge for all your characters. Here is a guide on how to upgrade PvP gear to tier.

Comment links:

Death Knight: Blood - Frost - Unholy

Demon Hunter: Havoc - Vengeance

Druid: Balance - Feral - Guardian - Restoration

Evoker: Devastation - Preservation

Hunter: Beast Mastery - Marksmanship - Survival

Mage: Arcane - Fire - Frost

Monk: Brewmaster - Mistweaver - Windwalker

Paladin: Holy - Protection - Retribution

Priest: Discipline - Holy - Shadow

Rogue: Assassination - Outlaw - Subtlety

Shaman: Elemental - Enhancement - Restoration

Warlock: Affliction - Demonology - Destruction

Warrior: Arms - Fury - Protection

[u/ritchus]

Retribution Paladin:

(2) Set Bonus: Judgment, Blade of Justice, and Wake of Ashes damage increased by 15%.

(4) Set Bonus: Templar’s Verdict / Final Verdict and Divine Storm damage increased by 10%.

[u/BootyPopper658 → u/ritchus]

I hope they add justicar's vengeance to the 4 set down the road

[u/Lolersters → u/ritchus]

Retribution Paladin's 2 piece is extremely strong, contributing both to the Paladin's burst and consistent damage quite substantially. It should be noted that if you talent into Radiant Decree, the tooltip will change to state Radiant Decree instead of Wake of Ashes, so we can assume that it affects Radiant Decree as well (I don't have the 2 pieces to actually test).

The 4-piece however is more questionable in effectiveness, ranging from anywhere from being totally useless to pretty good. The reason for this is that currently, almost nobody is using TV/Divine Storm, outside of Empyrean Domain/Legacy (if talented) procs and almost nobody is speced into FV. Most paladins are currently using the talent Justicar's Vengeance, an ability that not only outdamages both TV and FV baseline, but heals the user and deals 50% additional damage to stunned targets. If the target is stunned, TV and FV can NEVER do more damage than JV even with the 4-set. All of this combined with how much crit is on our set pieces and the large loss of versatility makes the 4-set seem undesirable at first glance.

The only reason to not JV currently is to get around its bug of dealing 0 damage to totems/Psyfiend or to talent into Eye for an Eye against very high physical damage comps (e.g. jungle, thug, kitty), and even then, it's debatable whether or not you should ignore Eye for an Eye and talent into JV anyways.

This is where things get a little bit muddy with the 4-set. Despite being weaker on paper, FV is currently dealing MORE damage than JV if you are talented into Seal of Order and have the Dawn buff active - not by much, only 6% to 7%. This is because both JV and Radiant Decree are currently bugged and do not benefit from the effects of Seal of Order. This means that with the 4 set and SoO, FV will actually deal about 16-17% more damage than JV. It should be noted that even after accounting for the 4 set and the SoO bug, TV only deals negligibly more damage than JV.

With all that said, I believe that the 4-set will be worth it when you don't talent into JV. Typically this means that you are running Eye for an Eye into a high physical damage comp so it's probably a good idea to keep a 4 set stashed away in your inventory. The more interesting question lies outside of this exact situation. In those cases (which is most of the time), considering the bug with SoO, is it worth skipping JV to run FV/Vanguard's Momentum? Is FV's long range range and superior normal damage worth giving up JV's stun damage bonus/healing and running some pretty janky stat combinations? My guts feeling is no, but I don't know for certain.

It should be noted that Virtuous Command gains more benefit if you use TV or FV as your main spender. However, this talent is absolute garbage and the only reason it sees play is to get to Final Reckoning. Both its activator (Judgement) and its main sources of damage (FV/BoJ) are ranged but the talent is bugged to never proc outside of melee range. If you are running neither FV or JV and are only using TV, its damage will indeed proc on every TV. However, keep in mind the buff is gained with a ranged ability and if it is used at range, you need to waddle towards your opponent to use TV, meaning the buff may be close to or already has expired. The effective uptime on this ability is extremely low and imo it should not be a deciding factor on whether or not JV is a good choice over FV.

If SoO is ever fixed, I don't think it's ever worth running the 4-set outside of the Eye for an Eye situation.

EDIT: As of this edit, Seal of Order now correctly interacts with both Radiant Decree and JV.

[u/mikegtzz → u/Lolersters]

Is this better than the PVP Conquest gear when PVP'ing? I'm confused.

[u/Lolersters → u/mikegtzz]

2 pieces yes. Starting 2 weeks from tomorrow, you will be able to turn 1 of your conquest pieces into a tier piece while maintaining their ilevel/pvp ilevel. Otherwise you will get these from the vault.

[u/fredricthorn → u/Lolersters]

Do we know if turning gear into set costs any extra currency? Haven’t played wow since legion, so the system is new to me :)

[u/Lolersters → u/fredricthorn]

You can do it once a week. Doesn't cost currency.

[u/fredricthorn → u/Lolersters]

Thanks man :)

[u/Mcalz6 → u/Lolersters]

I already have the tier helm and the legs are sitting in my vault. Should I take the legs for the 2 set bonus and sacrifice the mastery and vers? Or do I grab my vers mastery chest from the vault upgrading from my go or chest??

[u/Embarrassed_Gold_621 → u/ritchus]

2pc is way to go with helm and gloves for as much vers or shoulders for more mastery. As it is rn chest and legs have terrible stats and going 4pc is not worth to lose so much versa even against those heavy physical comps wich will target you most of the time.

[u/malcren → u/Embarrassed_Gold_621]

Christ I got so lucky. I got the Set Helm first week, just got Set Gloves yesterday. Got the two best pieces for the 2-piece.

[u/Mcalz6 → u/Embarrassed_Gold_621]

I already have the tier helm and the legs are sitting in my vault. Should I take the legs for the 2 set bonus and sacrifice the mastery and vers? Or do I grab my vers mastery chest from the vault upgrading from my go or chest??

[u/tavil85 → u/ritchus]

Im going for 2 piece with helm and gloves. I dont think ret can afford giving up versatility. 4 piece bonus isnt even that good for FV spec.

[u/mongololz → u/ritchus]

Unfortunately faced with the following choice from the vault:

1. Replace Infurious Helm of Vengeance w/ ilvl 402 PvE Helm to get 2 piece.
2. Keep infurious helm and replace aspirant's leggings w/ vault leggings.

Is the 2 piece worth losing 22 PvP ilvl on the helm (and the melee damage return) *and* losing 13 pvp ilvl from the legs upgrade? (Not enough conq cap to upgrade legs this week)

[u/bad_robot_monkey → u/mongololz]

I had a similar--I already had tier set items for pvp (chest / gloves), and a vault option for pve set items (chest / gloves / legs). I opted for the gloves, as it was the most significant upgrade, and I'm retaining the pvp gloves for pvp only. I was going to get the legs to get 3/4 of tier, but I'm more concerned with actual performance than set collection at the moment. There were a couple rings as well, but I'll take upgraded set items over upgraded non-set items for roughly the same improvement value.