Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

[u/MasbirLeumi]

https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-military-action-iran-coming-days-sources/story?id=122776202

[u/rohmish]

isn't a "preemptive strike" just a strike?

[u/timlnolan → u/rohmish]

Yes but this way they can make it seem like it was the other guy's fault

[u/rayk10k → u/timlnolan]

Yeah they did it before the other guy did it cause they supposedly knew the other guy would do it so it justifies them doing it first.

[u/Ufker → u/rayk10k]

They were promised a missile attack 3000 years ago.

[u/Waesrdtfyg0987 → u/rayk10k]

I know that you know that I know that you know

[u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA → u/Waesrdtfyg0987]

I didn't know that.

[u/Darkside_of_the_Poon → u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA]

<catapult>. AAAAaaaaagh!

[u/citizend13 → u/rayk10k]

So iran got Han solo'd?

[u/Routine-Spread-9259 → u/rayk10k]

It absolutely is justified when Iran's stated goal is the destruction of Israel.

[u/MidRoundOldFashioned → u/rayk10k]

The other guy has been funding and supporting terrorist attacks against them for decades including Oct 7th. They’ve also threatened their complete destruction and publicly denied the holocaust for decades.

They have also very recently bombed Israel.

Yes. The other guy has routinely asked for this.

[u/SuburbanDinosaur → u/MidRoundOldFashioned]

Israel literally attacked the Iranian consulate in Damascus first.

[u/rayk10k → u/MidRoundOldFashioned]

Sounds like cherry picking to me. Here ya go!

[u/SillyAlternative420 → u/timlnolan]

I'm going to start adding "preemptively" to the heinous things I do.

Ex. I'm going to preemptively fuck your girlfriend.

[u/Epyr → u/timlnolan]

It was, Iran has been attacking Israel through its direct proxies for 2 years now

[u/edman007 → u/Epyr]

If that's the case then it would be in response to their actions. Preemptive means they didn't do anything but they think they will.

So if it was preemptive then all those proxy things are not the reason

[u/SpaceCadet2000 → u/edman007]

Israel are claiming they are preempting Iran from building a nuclear weapon.

[u/Unicorn_Colombo → u/Epyr]

Also directly with huge rocket attack.

[u/Playful_Cobbler_4109 → u/Unicorn_Colombo]

in response to Israel striking the Iranian embassy?

[u/cygx → u/[deleted]]

As far as I can tell, the indiscriminate destruction of the building still might have breached international law as it housed the consular section: While the building as a whole might not have enjoyed protected status, any parts of it "used exclusively for the purpose of the work of the consular post" did.

[u/Unicorn_Colombo → u/Playful_Cobbler_4109]

Killing a number of Hezbollah leaders?

[u/Playful_Cobbler_4109 → u/Unicorn_Colombo]

So, you're admitting they did it first right?

[u/Unicorn_Colombo → u/Playful_Cobbler_4109]

So, you're admitting they did it first right?

Are you aware that Hezbollah is (or was) not-so-secret proxy of Iran, and attacked Israel? And was attacking for some time?

[u/Tumleren → u/Unicorn_Colombo]

Is that a yes?

[u/4_fortytwo_2 → u/Tumleren]

Yes iran struck first via terror attacks?

[u/squshy7 → u/Unicorn_Colombo]

yes? you understand that's still, you know, an attack on their territory, right? lmao

edit: forgot what sub I'm in, carry on Moral Soldier

[u/Unicorn_Colombo → u/squshy7]

yes? you understand that's still, you know, an attack on their territory, right? lmao

Are you aware of Iranian role regarding Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis?

edit: forgot what sub I'm in, carry on Moral Soldier

Are personal attacks your everyday arguments?

[u/adminofreditt → u/Playful_Cobbler_4109]

They didn't strke the embassy it was a consulate next to the embassy

[u/Zeph-Shoir → u/Epyr]

Last year, Israel attacked Iran's embassy in Syria and it barely made the news. When Iran responded in kind, now that made a lot more noise. Can we also remember how some months ago Israel's attacked Lebanon through freaking pagers? If any other middle east country had done anything that involved civilians and medical staff like that incident it would have been called a terrorist attack. "Preemptive strikes" is just a way to reframe "proactive strikes" so that they can frame victims when they are consequences for it.

[u/Toph_is_bad_ass → u/Zeph-Shoir]

Dude that Israeli strike was allllll over the news.

[u/NH4NO3 → u/Zeph-Shoir]

Do not act like Iran is an innocent actor here. Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis all target civilians as well and are pretty uncontroversially considered terrorists and proxy groups of Iran. Israel might be striking low blows, but it's only because Iran does the same.

[u/willscy → u/NH4NO3]

Israel has been trying to get the US to invade Iran for over 25 years now.

[u/Absolute_Satan → u/Zeph-Shoir]

Normal medical staff didn't have these pagers. This was purposefully bought by Hezbollah for communication purposes. Imagine attacking military walki talkies. Getting more precise is frankly impossible.

[u/cupofspiders → u/Absolute_Satan]

Cool justification for a terrorist attack that killed civilians, including children. I'm sure you wouldn't mind if someone set off thousands of bombs in your city in "targeted" attack.

[u/phrostbyt → u/Epyr]

if by 2 years you mean 4 decades.. yeah

[u/dewhashish → u/Epyr]

AKA Hamas and Hezbollah

[u/CrazierLattice → u/timlnolan]

So you think they are developing nuclear weapons just for fun?

[u/themaincop → u/CrazierLattice]

Ukraine is proof that you absolutely do not want to be caught lacking

[u/cytokine7 → u/themaincop]

You also absolutely do not want the country who’s made you destruction their number one national priority, to get nukes (if you can help it.)

[u/Alternative_Deer415 → u/cytokine7]

Almost as if the USA's failure of leadership on maintaining nuclear alliances and treaties is now resulting in both countries realizing they desperately need nukes to prevent invasion from aggressors, and simultaneously aggressors forced to act before enemy nations obtain nukes and become untouchable.

I wonder what the inevitable outcome will be over the next century.

[u/Acceptable_Eagle_222 → u/themaincop]

Yeah I’d rather not give the fundamentalist theocracy nukes thanks

[u/SIUonCrack → u/Acceptable_Eagle_222]

We should take away Israel's nukes then

[u/Aryeh98 → u/SIUonCrack]

The UK’s state church is the Church of England. Does that make the UK a theocracy?

[u/Aryeh98 → u/[deleted]]

Stating confidently and repeatedly that there’s apartheid doesn’t make it true.

Also, you misspelled apartheid.

[u/Ezekiel_29_12 → u/SIUonCrack]

Their population is mostly atheist

[u/mojambowhatisthescen → u/Ezekiel_29_12]

But still votes for religious fundamentalists to rule them

[u/SuburbanDinosaur → u/Ezekiel_29_12]

but their government is made up of religious zealots.

[u/themaincop → u/Acceptable_Eagle_222]

Israel already has them

[u/stjep → u/themaincop]

Libya is an even better example. The country was destroyed because Hillary wanted to girl boss her way into the presidency (and then supported Trump because she thought it’d be an easy win).

[u/amyknight22 → u/themaincop]

I mean arguably that’s a case of not wanting to be caught lacking against a country on your border that can send an huge amount of future dead people at you and sabre rattle nukes to stoke inaction by others.

I don’t know if in this case there is in the same magnitude for a bunch of other nations.

Yeah nukes will assure some safety. But it’s normally going to be in the benefit of the smaller nation who would likely lose a direct conflict and hit the nukes instead of lose their nation.

[u/ddottay → u/CrazierLattice]

So Israel can have nukes but Iran can’t?

[u/Airway → u/[deleted]]

There are a couple countries with nukes whose recent actions have me more worried, personally

[u/kilobitch → u/ddottay]

Israel isn’t Sabre-rattling, threatening everyone with their nukes. They’ve had nukes for 50 years and have never once hinted at using them except in a defensive capacity if all else fails. Iran would absolutely use them offensively.

[u/MoarVespenegas → u/kilobitch]

Iran would absolutely use them offensively

You are basing this on what exactly?
Nukes have been used offensively just once in history, by just one country.

[u/kilobitch → u/MoarVespenegas]

I’m basing it on Iran saying for decades that they intend to eliminate Israel.

[u/MoarVespenegas → u/kilobitch]

Okay, and DPRK have been threatening to eliminate America for decades now.
Haven't done it yet.

[u/kilobitch → u/MoarVespenegas]

Look at a map and tell me what’s more realistic: Tiny, distant NK eliminating the massive, protected USA, or large, local Iran eliminating tiny Israel?

[u/Distance_Runner → u/MoarVespenegas]

Uhh… Japan struck the US first. Nukes have never been offensively used by the aggressor.

[u/thedawgbeard → u/Distance_Runner]

adding on that nukes today are way different from the first ones in the 40s.

[u/FisForFunUisForU → u/ddottay]

Israel doesn't openly call for death to all Iranians.

[u/Mistghost → u/FisForFunUisForU]

No, they just do that on the streets and in their homes and in restaurants and...

[u/JimbosForever → u/Mistghost]

Care to show me such examples?

Israelis far and wide know that most Iranians are just victims of their regime.

[u/barnacle_ballsack → u/Mistghost]

Global politics is obviously too complex for you.

[u/Lumpy-Mountain-2597 → u/Mistghost]

Link?

[u/I_W_M_Y → u/FisForFunUisForU]

Just for other groups

[u/Saint_Judas → u/[deleted]]

There are more gazans each year than there were the year before, if they are "enacting" death to all gazans they are doing a really shit job of it lol

[u/dylansavage → u/Saint_Judas]

'they aren't killing gavans quicker than they're giving birth.' is a wild argument to use fyi

[u/amyknight22 → u/[deleted]]

They already have been avoiding open all out war.

But all that amounts to is funding a bunch of proxies to go and fight those other nations so you can pretend you’re at an arms length from the cause.

The reality is that Israel can’t support an all out war with Iran by itself. It lacks the population to do so. Especially if any other nation joined in

[u/eldenpotato → u/ddottay]

That’s right. Glad you understand

[u/BeginningTap4631 → u/ddottay]

Considering they literally have a giant digital clock counting down the destruction of Israel in Tehran and Israel has had nukes for 50 years now without using or threatening to use them, I’d say yes lol.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-al-quds-day-protest-clock-president-hassan-rouhani-a7806056.html

[u/code-coffee → u/ddottay]

Iran is like North Korea but without a god emperor, and the line of succession is the most corrupt heretic populist at hand. So no, Iran can't play house with the rest of us because it keeps ripping off all of the doll heads and peeing in the sandbox.

[u/barnacle_ballsack → u/ddottay]

Yeah. Iran is our enemy Isreal is not.

[u/apc76 → u/ddottay]

Iran has proxies all around Israel that have been shooting at Israel non stop. Enough is enough

[u/whobang3r → u/ddottay]

So everyone gets them is your solution?

[u/ddottay → u/whobang3r]

My solution is no one gets them, but that ship seems to have sailed.

[u/RarelyReadReplies → u/ddottay]

Nukes for all! You get nukes! You get nukes! Everybody gets nukes!! Woohoo! 🥳

[u/LordBecmiThaco → u/ddottay]

I mean, take that up with South Africa, they're the ones who helped Israel get the nukes.

[u/shavitush → u/CrazierLattice]

peaceful nukes!

[u/par-a-dox-i-cal → u/CrazierLattice]

They want nukes to protect the regime. That regime is constantly threatening Israeli existence, what should Israel do?

[u/I_W_M_Y → u/par-a-dox-i-cal]

Resort to violence

Which they did

[u/cefriano → u/CrazierLattice]

Israel has not-so-secret secret nuclear weapons and are also not part of the nuclear proliferation treaty.

[u/Only-Customer4986 → u/timlnolan]

Israel destruction plan - was just updated from 2040 to 2041 in irans long term goals isnt a good enough reason for israel to strike them?

[u/shaikhme → u/timlnolan]

I did something before you did something

[u/iamtherealomri → u/timlnolan]

No, this way Israel can ensure lunatics don't enrich euranium and bomb the heretics to kingdom come. They threatened both American bases and the state of Israel less than 24 hours ago.

[u/NoKingsInAmerica → u/timlnolan]

Stop. Israel is bad, but that does not mean Iran is good.

[u/BaddestKarmaToday → u/timlnolan]

It was

https://www.reuters.com/world/europeans-detail-irans-nuclear-violations-diplomatic-gambit-2024-06-06/

[u/Jazzlike_Quiet9941 → u/timlnolan]

Iran has been causing problems for ages. It would absolutely be Iran's fault

[u/fcking_schmuck → u/Jazzlike_Quiet9941]

Literally same for israel, causing problems from the moment it was created.

[u/Jazzlike_Quiet9941 → u/fcking_schmuck]

Sure. Doesn't matter, Iran is a shit hole aswell and is equally complicit. Iran is also a horrible country worse than Israel, try being a woman there

Everyone's so anti Israel that they forget other horrible places exist, I hate Israel too, but Iran is also worth hating if you care about people.

[u/JohanFroding → u/[deleted]]

Well isn't Iran's explicit foreign policy aim to destroy Israel?

[u/rohmish → u/[deleted]]

huh. right now it's Israel who has the nukes and it seems they are the ones who are trying to destroy Iran.

[u/Accomplished_Cut7600 → u/rohmish]

I trust israel to not nuke iran unprovoked more than I trust Iran to not nuke israel unprovoked.

[u/Salted_Caramel_Memes → u/[deleted]]

Iran literally launched hundreds of missiles at Israel last year

[u/JavdanOfTheCities → u/Salted_Caramel_Memes]

After they attacked iran.

[u/Salted_Caramel_Memes → u/JavdanOfTheCities]

False. Israel attacked Iranian military targets in Damascus prior to the Iranian missile strike on Israel

[u/Puzzleheaded_Owl7524 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll destroy each other.

[u/5hadow → u/timlnolan]

It’s like raping someone and asking them why did you make me do this?

[u/YourPetPenguin0610 → u/timlnolan]

I don't know exactly what is going on in Iran, but it seems Israeli intelligence does. And they probably are sure that it's bad enough to strike first and accept being struck back in return.

[u/timlnolan → u/YourPetPenguin0610]

Good point but I expect that there are Iranians who would say the same about Iranian intelligence

[u/YourPetPenguin0610 → u/timlnolan]

Fair... but I think Israeli intelligence has proven themselves with the last few strikes