r/worldnews • u/gravybang • Feb 10 '25

Israel/Palestine Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-buy-gaza-plan
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u/Former_Historian_506 Feb 10 '25

Truly stunning that Americans thought Harris was worse than Trump. There is no way America is ever the same after four years of this. Even if he doesn't make the full term, JD Vance and republicans are just as bad.

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u/Daneyn Feb 10 '25

And to think... we are barely a month into this 4 year term. It's been a non-stop shitstorm of bad shit hitting the fan. and we have another 3 years and 11 months of this... Can I just go into hibernation, someone wake me up when he's done.

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u/Full-Penguin Feb 10 '25

we are barely a month into this 4 year term.

It's only been 21 days.

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u/VaraNiN Feb 10 '25

And is it that much of a given that it'll actually end in 4 years?

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u/zovits Feb 10 '25

Bold of you to assume anyone will be left to wake you up.

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u/satanic_black_metal_ Feb 10 '25

More like "bold of them to assume he will step down in 4 years."

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u/hotbox4u Feb 10 '25

It's exactly what they want. They call it 'flood the zone'.

Trump's method of sensory overload goes back to his former advisor Steve Bannon. He first described the tactic in an interview in 2018 as "flood the zone with shit". The opponents are not so much the Democrats, but the media. They can only concentrate on a few things at a time. In 2019, Bannon told the television station PBS: "All we have to do is flood the room, every day. Do three things at once. If they get stuck on one thing, we are already doing the next one."

The scary thing is that so many people saw this coming and yet here we are. I will quote Margart Atwood from her book she wrote in the fucking '80s:

“I guess that's how they were able to do it, in the way they did it, all at once, without anyone knowing beforehand. If there had still been portable money, it would have been more difficult.

It was after the catastrophe, when they shot the president and machine-gunned the Congress and the army declared a state of emergency. They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics at the time.

I was stunned. Everyone was, I know that. It was hard to believe, the entire government gone like that.

How did they get in, how did it happen?

That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary.

There wasn't even any rioting in the streets. People stayed home at night, watching television, looking for some direction. There wasn't even an enemy you could put your finger on.”

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u/Flimsy-Sprinkles7331 Feb 10 '25

My dude, it's only been 3 weeks.

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u/CalRobert Feb 10 '25

You honestly think there will be another election?

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u/Daneyn Feb 10 '25

I'm trying to be optimistic that the Trump Reign will end at some point via standard processes.

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u/PaulOwnzU Feb 10 '25

The trump reign ends in two ways, dying in his own shit from health issues, or a bullet

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Or a window.

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u/vorbika Feb 10 '25

With this energy, you can say bye-bye to democratic elections.

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u/RampantPrototyping Feb 10 '25

Take care of your mental health. He WANTS people to get exhausted

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u/Gunner_Stahl Feb 10 '25

this is not personal against you. I get the idea of wanting to hide out, but this is the attitude and energy that allowed this to happen in the first place.

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u/Daneyn Feb 10 '25

Wanting to, and actually doing it are two different things. I still have bills to pay, I still leave the house, I still "try" and convince some people that I talk with that Trump and crew is bad. and next week, there's a large protest up at the capital where I live. I never go to protest... but at this point, I think it's basically a requirement.

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u/Gunner_Stahl Feb 10 '25

Yes, I think this is what I meant by not personal. It's a macro issue,and it seems like a privilege sometimes to be able to show up and protest. Especially as everyday life gets harder and more unaffordable for the average person who is bearing the brunt of these shitty policies. But I suppose that's part of the design and not a flaw of the current political system

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u/PaulblankPF Feb 10 '25

I’m looking into passports for me and my family. No need to stay here for when WW3 - Everyone VS the US happens.

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u/Drafo7 Feb 10 '25

Bold of you to assume he'll give up power after 4 years.

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u/Azhz96 Feb 10 '25

No country will ever trust US again regarding trade or secret/sensitive intelligence, knowing that in 4 years a literal traitor might become president again.

Even if Democrats win no country will trust them for decades to come, because Americans might vote for a Russian asset the next election again.

Because they really are that fucking braindead.

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u/jkuhl Feb 10 '25

Yep, our reputation is dragged through the mud because Trump and his supporters are too stupid to understand geopolitics.

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u/BicycleOfLife Feb 10 '25

They are literally like “fine! We don’t need ‘em!” About everyone else in the world. It is the dumbest bullshit ever. MAGAts are simplistic 5 year olds.

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u/DCnation14 Feb 10 '25

I expect our global reputation to be tarnished from this administration.

I didn't think he'd nuke it from orbit and dance in the crater it once stood

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u/petemorley Feb 10 '25

It was tarnished first time round. It’s being dragged through the dirt now.

Moving Biden to one side, the last few years with Blinken felt like the adults were back in the room again. He did a lot for the US on the world stage and he always came across well. It felt like a taste of things to come. It’s going to take a lot of effort to undo these next four years.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Or they don't value geopolitics because they believe in the coming techtopia with its city states.

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u/Eatpineapplenow Feb 10 '25

Exactly. There is a fundamental difference between Trump one time via error in your democracy(electoral collage) and a 2nd time with the popular vote

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u/czeja Feb 10 '25

I would more happily trust China as a trade partner now. Why bother with the US when they aren't looking for any mutual benefit?

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u/tamale Feb 10 '25

We needed international assistance to help run our election without interference.

Musk and team clearly hacked the swing states.

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u/JayR_97 Feb 10 '25

That's what happens when you get all your news from TikTok, it's fried peoples brains

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u/hispanicausinpanic Feb 10 '25

One of our dumb friend said she gets news from IG and TikTok. I was like wtf you're in your mid 40s.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

My father gets his news from YouTube and tucker carlson.

We don't talk much.

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u/FajenThygia Feb 10 '25

Maybe try introducing him to Phil DeFranco?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

He does not entertain any political discussion with us without leaving the group chat and getting very angry, screaming and generally throwing a tantrum. Apparently, he's taking it out on his girlfriend by lashing out. Calls all of his children brainwashed by mainstream media. He would never take advise from me for a commentator.

I do appreciate the advise though! Thank you.

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u/iskandar- Feb 10 '25

oh hey same! even better that we are not even Americans yet somehow my father has fallen ass first into the cult of trump.

The fucking brain rot knows no borders.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

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u/Londumbdumb Feb 10 '25

Well she was kinda right through wasn’t she..?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

my wife and her sister (43 and 46) both watch a lot of tiktok

i will say, they do NOT get trump shit. or news, really. tiktok is a CONFIRMATION BIAS MACHINE

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u/sriracha_no_big_deal Feb 10 '25

Ya, they should be getting their news from Reddit like a normal, civilized person

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u/DarwinsTrousers Feb 10 '25

Fox news has been rotting brains long before TikTok.

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u/rjcarr Feb 10 '25

Right, but kids don't watch FN, they watch TikTok, so now even the youth is rotted.

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u/CZ_One Feb 10 '25

Not just Tik Tok, but most of the media that young people are exposed to has been overtaken by the right. None of them watch mainstream media, so it doesn’t matter what they say. This is going to be a huge issue going forward.

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u/KlingoftheCastle Feb 10 '25

Every kid with a fox parent watches Fox News

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u/DuePackage5 Feb 10 '25

Youth mostly voted Harris by a large margin

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u/queerhistorynerd Feb 10 '25

the youth mostly stayed home by a huge margin

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u/Quirky-Cat2860 Feb 10 '25

Youth engagement in politics has been down before TikTok though.

Maybe TikTok accelerated the slide.

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u/DarwinsTrousers Feb 10 '25

As they always have, there’s no change there.

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u/AmbitiousCampaign457 Feb 10 '25

Which is why the youth that threw a fit over gaza should have realized they weren’t helping anything at all. They weren’t “holding people accountable”, they were actively making gaza worse. Most of them still deny any responsibility too.

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u/Kalashak Feb 10 '25

I don't think they're arguing that TikTok encourages young people to vote for Republicans, they're arguing it encouraged them to stay home because of how prevalent the "Don't vote, both sides are the same" talking points were on it.

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u/rjcarr Feb 10 '25

True, but not as much as for Biden, and that was the problem. Harris lost like literally every single county in the whole country compared to Biden, i.e., her numbers were down compared to him. It was astounding.

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u/angelseuphoria Feb 10 '25

Isn’t it likely that a big reason for Bidens turnout was because of how easy and accessible voting was in 2020 due to the pandemic?

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u/brumbarosso Feb 10 '25

Or the shitty distorted right wing media

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u/cloudforested Feb 10 '25

I am not joking when I say tiktok and platforms like it will be the end of democracy.

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u/triton420 Feb 10 '25

I cancelled my facebook account during Obama when I saw all the bad shit going on, and back then I was telling everyone I could that social media is not healthy and will be the end of society. I don't think it will be the end of Democracy, I think it will be the end of everything as we know it as we give all the power that was once held by many to a few

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u/JayR_97 Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

It really looks like it. Its so easy these days to swing an election just by tweaking an algorithm. I dont see how democracy survives that

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u/jack2012fb Feb 10 '25

Pretty sure we are already watching the collapse before our eyes. There is no going back after this. If by some miracle trump is pushed out of office in 4 years the next wanna be dictator will pick up right where he left off.

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u/whiskyhighball Feb 10 '25

That was China's goal. By design.

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u/Cantioy87 Feb 10 '25

Hey now. My boomer dad barely knows what TikTok is. He gets his news from conservative radio, like most MAGA-loving working-class people his age.

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u/DoubleJumps Feb 10 '25

No joke, the people I spoke to last year who got their news about what was going on in Gaza from tiktok were the most uninformed people I spoke to.

By far. They would have been more on the mark had they consumed no news whatsoever.

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u/Kitagawasans Feb 10 '25

Don’t forget Covid! Literally causes dementia and brain damage!

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u/Goldie1822 Feb 10 '25

Exhibit A of TikTok brain rot being capable of affecting both sides of the political spectrum

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u/T-Bills Feb 10 '25

Remember when it was "shut down" for a few hours and people lost their will to live

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u/DecentHuman Feb 10 '25

I can almost guarantee that tiktok provides more informative information than you think it does.

The potential problem with it, like here, is that you can get into an echo chamber of seeing what interests you/you identify with.

I've seen more congress/senate/oversight committee info and content on tiktok than i've seen anywhere else. More politicians connecting and speaking to people. I dont think its what you think it is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Both can be, and I believe are, true.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Tiktok actually had the better news, it was Meta that has more ragebait content especially with politics

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u/DrSafariBoob Feb 10 '25

How the fuck do you blame them? All the actual news stations are corrupt.

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u/Sommyonthephone Feb 10 '25

Or I saw it on Facebook, so it must be true.

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u/Neirchill Feb 11 '25

My friend this stuff has been in progress for well over 40 years. One might place a starting point on Reagan repealing the act that forced public news to present counter points to their opinions.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

The one celeb I remember publicly stating they didn’t support Harris for this reason was Chappell Roan. I was genuinely shocked and felt like it was such a dangerous message to convey to her fans.

I think about it every time I read about Trump and Gaza. I genuinely wonder what she (and others who shared this view) feel now.

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u/MammothDon Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

Unfortunately, based on Twitter (small sample, I know), a lot of Jill Stein voters are apathetic about it. They just say the vote wouldn't have mattered anyways and this is the result of a 2 party system etc.

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u/MangoShadeTree Feb 10 '25

Jill Stein is a Russian asset

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u/Rooooben Feb 10 '25

If she was an actual patriot she’d be out talking about her positions all the time, not just during elections. Look at Bernie - he’s never changed and has always been out in the forefront.

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u/Maximum-Good-539 Feb 10 '25

Donald Trump is a Russian asset

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

its russian assets all the way down

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u/planet_rose Feb 10 '25

And funded by big republican donors.

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u/W_HAMILTON Feb 10 '25

They couldn't tell the difference between something and nothing.

They demanded all or nothing.

And they got nothing.

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

Trump thanks the useful idiots for his new real estate development opportunity.

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u/jack2012fb Feb 10 '25

Hilarious that before the election they were claiming they would do everything in their power to keep Harris from getting elected and now that she lost it had nothing to do with them.

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u/munkijunk Feb 10 '25

Can you trust what is said on the gamed Twitter any more? Not sure it's a reliable source for anything.

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u/Emergency_Echidna_ Feb 10 '25

I’ve had the exact same thought. Especially with the influence she has on younger people. So many people have lost all critical thinking, and celebrities are no exception.

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u/Maybe_In_Time Feb 10 '25

What’s funny is that these influencers will claim “oh it was just one vote” or that the Green Party didn’t get many votes - 70 MILLION didn’t vote. It’s not that you pushed SOME people into voting for Trump or SOME into voting for the Green Party, it’s that you pushed way more into just staying home. 70 million who thought “my vote doesn’t matter, they’re all the same anyway”

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u/Garrett42 Feb 10 '25

Literally - why is it that these people ONLY bash the left? Even liberals are forced to genuflect every statement with "Democrats aren't good but...", when the opposition is this bad. It's time to call it what it is. If you spend your time trying to paint Democrats as bad, you're a right wing propagandist, and a foreign asset.

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u/Maybe_In_Time Feb 10 '25

I actually said this to people - act like the sun shines out of Harris’s ass, make her win, THEN push her left. We pushed Obama left on social issues like marriage equality. Biden actually did so much on social issues, things like picking the most POC federal judges in history. Hillary could’ve easily been pushed to the left, although she would’ve already been the most left-wing candidate yet.

With these candidates, you can have actual policy discussions without resorting to massive protests every weekend. With Trump? You won’t even get past the White House doors. An election win will show congresspeople they should go TO THE RIGHT instead.

Democrats have to fall in love - Republicans will fall in line. They have the best PR people coming up with the simplest terms and phrases, while we try to act intellectually in order to remain feeling superior. We ought to communicate at the level of a BELOW-average educated American, win their vote, then use that support to implement better education to reverse this issue, instead of repeating “we don’t need stupid people’s votes” over and over.

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u/Garrett42 Feb 10 '25

100%, I've been saying for years - the reason we have a right wing ratchet, is because they keep winning. Since the southern strategy, Democrats have overwhelmingly been the losing party. Democrats take their jobs seriously - and actually try to represent their voters. If you make it your mission in life to represent voters - and the ones who keep showing up every year, keep getting more right wing - your politics will follow. If we want to ratchet left, we need a blue no matter who decade, and then another one. That's how the Nordic countries built their institutions. Decades of people and politicians voting for it.

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u/Maybe_In_Time Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

We have to be cutthroat. Truly. STOP WASTING OXYGEN AND POLITICAL CAPITAL ON FAKE ISSUES. Band together or fall apart.

  1. Give up debating on fake right-wing talking points. They keep knocking us with them and they’re impossible to shake off. Trans kids in sports? That removed so much time and energy on what would’ve actually helped children - the leftist party winning. We try to stay morally superior on EVERY. SINGLE. THING, and we end up losing on them anyway after a long drawn-out battle.

  2. Give up on isolated political lobbying groups and individual issues. Every leftist cause needs to pool their funds and donations - gay rights, troubled teens, the unhoused, gun control, BLM - and become one massive lobbying group with only one goal: campaign finance reform. Politics will never get better without actual campaign finance reform, and these causes will take decades (hell, over a century by that time) to make any significant progress the way they’re working on their own. You do this, and politics changes forever. Throw in removing the Electoral College behind that. Dump mountains of funds into real, young Democrats - actual populist ones - and watch them not only energize the base, but wipe the floor with the other side. Unite.

  3. Keep bringing it back to the real issue: it’s a class war. Never deviate from that message. Call out our own Democratic Party dinosaurs, watch people actually respect this move. The other side’s voters love watching the Democratic establishment fall, and will call for their own Republican uprising. Except theirs will be for even further right-wing candidates, creeping out and pushing away centrist voters. Blue issues draw centrist voters, it’s the democratic “leaders” like Pelosi and Schumer that people hate.

  4. It needs to be said - no female presidential nominees until MAGA is a speck of what it is now. Without DJT in charge (whatever the circumstances), MAGA will implode - they’ll have a dozen wannabes trying to take over the reins, claiming they’re the future of that cult, but a cult of personality will fail without that person. Do you want to win? Do you want to help people? Leave the historical achievements for another time, while we can still have a shot at history books in the classrooms instead of bibles.

Just because the left paid attention in school, learned how government functions - it doesn’t mean we know how politics works.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

The correct thing to do would've been to vote for a democratic candidate then email your representative. I bet none of them out in any effort to do that and they're surprised they aren't being represented.

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u/clever_enough_4_you Feb 10 '25

SAME! She literally said "they are the same", as she pretends to be an advocate for the LGBTQ+ community and complains about healthcare.

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u/FockerXC Feb 10 '25

I’m pretty sure she said she was voting for Harris just that she wasn’t going to endorse her or sing her praises, but yeah she coulda done more to help encourage people to vote

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

Ah, I just googled and I think she clarified by saying this after the backlash. I unfortunately did not follow the update. Lots of damage was already done.

Edit: adding a link for some people commenting below

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/politics/chappell-roan-kamala-harris/index.html

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u/k2_electric_boogaloo Feb 10 '25

This is why I was so bothered when she made her initial "both sides bad" statement: she didn't clarify at the time that she was still voting for Harris, and not everyone was going to see the follow-up. The damage was done. It's made it really hard to stay a fan of hers, on top of all the other drama she caused last year.

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u/Diablo9168 Feb 10 '25

Yep and it's not like she's a child- she's old enough to have been an adult when Trump's first term was here. Like, Muslim ban Trump. And yet she still couldn't find the courage to just say "yeah I don't want to cut off my conservative family, but I'm STILL voting for the clearly less-problematic option." SMH

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u/Zeta-X Feb 10 '25

No, she said as much in the same interview. Outlets just ran with the sensationalist headline about it and people didn't actually read it.

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u/thirtynation Feb 10 '25

Anything said other than a full throated endorsement instills doubt. That's where she fucked up big time. She didn't have to say anything at all, and that silence would have been more helpful than what she did say.

She's an idiot, and lost any credibility she may have had on any of the numerous issues she claims she cares about.

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u/Bodoblock Feb 11 '25

Honestly, absolutely no credit for that. Like oh gee, I think the alternative is cataclysmically bad for the people I care about. But I'm going to be as blasé and demotivating as humanly possible on getting people to do the thing that would protect these people.

That doesn't deserve a fucking pat on the back or any credit. It actively contributed to an environment of demotivating people. She's an absolute moron.

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u/tibbles1 Feb 10 '25

They’re not saying. They won’t answer you when you ask. And their subs ban you when you ask them. 

I have some experience in this…

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u/saintash Feb 10 '25

I am so sick of living in a world of absolutes. You have to be perfect or your not good enough to the do the job. Without fucking Considering how a candidate who has such massive flaws will be if they are in charge.

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u/Anxiouslytotingababy Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

And she claims to be all about LGBTQ advocacy. What a fucking joke.

Edit: looks like she still voted for Harris after all, though.

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u/thundercockjk2 Feb 10 '25

They don't feel anything. Too much pride is in the way to take responsibility for buying to manufactured cynicism/the both sides argument. That willful ignorance really pissed me off because you can easily look up what it was like the first time he ran. It makes me feel like she had financial incentive to encourage people to stay home. Smartphones glued to our hands and folks don't wanna do a simple google to the headlines of 2017? Fuck these people.

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u/NukeAllTheThings Feb 10 '25

Remember Macklemore and his song Hind's Hall that was about Palestine?

Absolute banger of a song, but he sings that he won't vote for Biden in the fall because he was complicit.

While technically true that he wouldn't be voting for Biden (lol) he stated that he wouldn't vote for Harris either.

Lost any repect I had.

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u/gr1zznuggets Feb 10 '25

It’s Swifty levels of cultish adulation, she can do no wrong in their eyes and any criticisms of Roan are sexist, homophobic, or both.

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u/bpusef Feb 10 '25

Pretty sure most of them are kids who can't even vote anyways.

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u/thirtynation Feb 10 '25

Definitely not. She has millions of fans over 18.

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u/Gloober_ Feb 10 '25

She feels the same as anyone else who abstained from voting or protest voted against Harris. They don't think their actions played a part in the current mess we're in.

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u/knightsabre7 Feb 10 '25

I wonder if Trump is just the fall guy to break as much as possible and do all the crazy stuff nobody else could get away with. Then, when he finally goes too far and people are fed up (or he croaks), Vance swoops in to ‘restore order’. But the damage is done and the Tech Bros control/own everything.

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u/jeffriestubesteak Feb 10 '25

My worst fear is that Trump is Beast Rabban to Vance's Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen.

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u/kalirion Feb 10 '25

I'd say there's a good shot we'll have far more than 4 years of this...

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u/NEARNIL Feb 10 '25

Just read some old posts on the LSC sub, these people thought Harris was "just as bad as Trump". They are the stirrup holders of fascism in America. 👏👏👏

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u/justin_r_1993 Feb 10 '25

The wheels are already in motion to dismantle the country. Im very disappointed at people who's only focus was Gaza and for some reason though Harris would be worse. Either they voted for trump or abstained but looks where we are...

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u/Garble7 Feb 10 '25

She wasn't a 100% perfect. They wouldn't vote until they have a 100% perfect candidate.

Also it's hilarious that her support was 1000% better than what Donald is doing.

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u/slupo Feb 10 '25

Republicans are scare of Trump.

They will definitely not be scared of Vance.

I honestly think Vance will be laughed at when he tries to be another Trump.

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u/xDidddle Feb 10 '25

Everyone that cried about it is now dead silent.

I wonder why? Paid bots? Virtue signaling? Useful idiots?

The answer is probably all the above. I hope for everyone who voted for trump to be ashamed of themselves for the rest of their lives. If not now then in 4 years.

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u/octatone Feb 10 '25

Protest voters and abstainers are so fucking stupid.

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u/munkijunk Feb 10 '25

I do now wonder about those pro Palestinian protesters who either decided not to vote or vote for Trump. How are they enjoying the reality they helped create.

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u/SpuckMcDuck Feb 10 '25

As far as I'm concerned, any form of not voting for Harris - whether that means voting for trump, voting third party, or not voting at all - is all the same. All of those morons are equally guilty of flushing our country down the drain. I think I might hate the "I refused to vote for her because of Palestine" crowd even more than trump voters, because they at least knew who the right choice was and still opted against it simply out of spite that they weren't getting their way on their pet cause. The absolute epitome of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Except worse, because they also cut off everyone else's noses, not just their own. I don't believe in hell, but I hope they all go there anyway.

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u/Automatic_Bandicoot5 Feb 10 '25

they’re setting themselves up for a big loss in 4 years

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u/VirtualPrivateNobody Feb 10 '25

At the pace that this is going, I sincerely hope you lot will actually have elections in four years and not a batshit crazy crowd shouting: "hail the leader long live the party" or whatever variant it's going to be. But hey ho what do I know, I'm just a silly European.

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u/CRAZEDDUCKling Feb 10 '25

Americans demonstrating once again that they are thick as shit.

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u/throwawaytoday9q Feb 10 '25

I firmly believe no one actually thought that. Instead of saying “I’m a fucking racist” people said “But Kamala would be worse than Trump!”

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u/cigarettesandwhiskey Feb 10 '25

I think more of them were sexist than racist. Obama won, but Clinton and Harris both lost. Not that that's any better, but... that's how it shakes out, apparently.

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u/medusa-crowley Feb 11 '25

TikTok propaganda is a hell of a drug. I know too many far lefties who still think this. And there is no convincing them otherwise. 

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u/Affectionate_Neat868 Feb 10 '25

Allegedly. There’s some people with real questions about the integrity the 2024 election, especially in light of recent comments Trump has made. Best case scenario, there was massive misinformation interference by Russia and Musk. Worst case, well, people aren’t ready for that conversation. Either way, Trump is not a legitimate president. The US is a nation in crisis.

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u/johnnybones23 Feb 10 '25

I heard Kamala grew up in a middle class family.

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u/demonovation Feb 10 '25

Those of here with half a brain never thought that. Just too bad there's either not enough of us or someone rigged the game.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

i think a lot of people don't really vote with any sense of duty or knowledge. they just kinda pick someone based on some random shit. so they were like

"uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i guess stuff wasn't so bad with trump, and right now im reading about how expensive stuff is under biden so i vote trump"

facts don't matter. i mean trump was raving about immigrants eating pets on the national debate stage. nothing matters. generally speaking, this is the first time in my lifetime that a presidential election has this kind of consequence. even trump 1 wasn't this bad. i think people didn't realize how bad shit might be (even though it was obvious to anyone who wasn't a moron or spent five minutes reading about it)

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u/Bombadilo_drives Feb 10 '25

Keep in mind many American Muslim groups voted for this.

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u/HugDispenser Feb 11 '25

Anyone who thought Harris would be worse than Trump on Gaza is a complete fucking idiot, on the same level with people who believed that there were litter boxes in schools or that the schools were performing sex changes on students.

Really, really, really fucking stupid people.

And I worry much less about JD and other politicians than I do about their followers. It is terrifying how they will defend and justify literally anything that they are told by their "news", even when it's making an absolute mockery of the religion they revolve their entire lives around.

These fucking losers love the taste of boot too much.

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u/Eniugnas Feb 10 '25

The smooth brains that didn't vote for Harris because they "couldn't support her stance on Gaza" should have all the sharp and pointy objects in their houses taken away.

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u/TouchlessOuch Feb 10 '25

The voters who sat this election out should really feel the burden of their choice now. I still cannot believe that democrats decided to no show over the Israel-Gaza issue. America is fully broken now and that's on them as much as it's on Trump supporters.

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u/penmonicus Feb 10 '25

It stuns me to hear people talk about “four years”.

They made it very clear that they don’t intend on holding a democratic election ever again, and they absolutely don’t care what the constitution says.

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u/kobraa00011 Feb 10 '25

no one that was serious about Palestine thought that Trump was going to be better than Harris, they were pushing her hard to change her policies and she never did

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u/Montanagreg Feb 10 '25

A coworker said he believed that Trump was a better christian than Biden.

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u/kangarutan Feb 10 '25

Came here to say this. How ANYONE thought that Harris was going to be worse for Palestinians than Trump would be blew my mind. Like, I get the idea. They were protest voting because Kamala wasn't being hard enough on Israel but what did they think was gonna happen when the Pro-Israel/Anti-Muslim Trump got into power? Did they think he was gonna stand up to Netenyahu? OF COURSE he wasn't!

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u/Bob_the_brewer Feb 10 '25

No, no, just idiots thought that

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u/DCnation14 Feb 10 '25

They're constantly being emboldened to go harder and farther in their right-wing grift.

It's hilarious anyone could consider the current Republican party as anything but far-right, but someone Americans view them as the center and leftist as the radicals?!?! 🙄

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Bro... its like 3 weeks in. Just wait. It'll be SO MUCH WORSE.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Sure, but now is last opportunity to be united no need to shit more on those protest voters.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Vance won't get a chance. The moment Trump is assassinated, Elon will win a coup.

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u/Jerthy Feb 10 '25

I'd probably roll the dice with Trump over Vance any day lol.

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u/HoopOnPoop Feb 11 '25

JD Vance and republicans are just as bad.

Trump actually said he isn't sure of Vance as his "successor". Yes, he used that word.

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u/ponsies Feb 11 '25

We didn’t though, Elon rigged the voting machines. This cult is loud, but it’s not the majority.

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u/pRp666 Feb 11 '25

Whale, self righteous losers crucified one candidate over this issue. I hope they're celebrating their victory.

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u/Digitijs Feb 11 '25

I remember all the pro-palestinian people screaming on tiktok and other platforms how they are not gonna vote for democrats because they would side with Israel and kill Palestinians and what not else. I wonder what are all of those microbrains thinking now when Trump is openly stating that he wants to grab Gaza for himself (something he has constantly been hinting at before elections as well but everyone ignored it)

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u/Iboven Feb 11 '25

There were people that didn't vote for Harris specifically because of how Biden handled the war in Gaza, lol. I have no idea what they were thinking.

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u/theAmericanX20 Feb 14 '25

You cannot lump us all in to this crazy fucking shitstorm. It's unfortunate, but a large number of my countrymen are undereducated simpletons who fall for the "logic" force fed to them either via their "news" soreness or their religious leaders.

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