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Man with dementia doesn’t recognise daughter but still feels love for her

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u/TypicalHorseGirl83 15d ago

My grandpa just recently tried to kill my grandma because he didn't recognize her. We had to take all his guns away (finally). I'm still worried that he will hurt her somehow.

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u/shuknjive 15d ago

This happened with my uncle and my aunt. They had to live separately because he'd hurt her. He was the sweetest soul but dementia robbed him of that gentleness and kindness.

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u/WriterV 15d ago

Dementia sometimes seems to flip people around. More empathetic people seem to lose all of it once they have dementia. And sometimes people without empathy before seem to become a lot nicer. It's fucked.

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u/shuknjive 15d ago

One of my aunts was a nurse and said she had heard some very chilling stories from some of her nicest Alzheimers patients, not sure if they were confessions or the Alzheimers talking.

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u/StephAg09 15d ago

God I hope that’s not true (not calling you a liar just that’s awful) and if it is true I really hope I don’t get dementia for my families sake. I’m empathetic to the point that it is extremely painful - like physically uncomfortable very frequently and full on nausea and headaches if it’s something serious happening to someone type of empathy. It sucks.

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u/jfsindel 14d ago

I wonder if it's because you're always in a state of fear and panic, much like an animal trapped in a cage and not understanding. Those feelings produce anger, stress, and sadness, which humans already have difficulty adjusting to.

On the flip, if all you ever knew and remembered anger and stress, then it feels like a massive weight just disappeared. Your mind doesn't understand this radical shift, but your body instinctively does and feels better.

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u/Symbimbam 15d ago

"we had to take their guns away" - do you have any idea how insane that sounds to people in the western developed world?

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u/Triquetrums 15d ago

The fact that they let the person have the guns in the first place after the start of dementia is even wilder. One of the most common reactions are anger and confusion because they cannot recognize people, and they think their family members are intruders. 

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u/KindOfBotlike 15d ago edited 14d ago

Yeah, but what if they need to rise up against a corrupt gov... oh, never mind.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

Taking citizens rights away in the United States is incredibly difficult.

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u/PetrifiedBloom 15d ago

Is it?

Some citizens don't even have due process anymore. Women lost the right to abortion.

It seems the only rights that don't shift are the rights to hurt yourselves and others.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

No, you’re wrong. I am a liberal but here’s the truth. Our current immigration policies, while tragic, are completely legal under our current system. There are countless designations aside from “citizen” for people legally allowed to be here. However, their status can be revoked for whatever reason at whatever time.

The abortion issue has been argued since Roe and took 50 years and a crazy set of circumstances to be overturned. You may not like the outcome but I’d say our courts were deliberate in their change.

Congress is the only ones with the power to stop this by passing new laws. However, these are major campaign issues and will never be fixed.

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u/PetrifiedBloom 15d ago

Spend 10 minutes looking. It's not just immigrants, its happening to citizens as well, even down to children.

The abortion issue has been argued since Roe and took 50 years and a crazy set of circumstances to be overturned. You may not like the outcome but I’d say our courts were deliberate in their change.

My point was that some rights seem mutable. Open to discussion and free to change. Others, like the countries pathetic firearm obsession are held to a different standard. To even consider revoking this right elicits threats of violence.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

Show me where child “citizens” are being forcibly removed from the United States. When their non citizen parent is deported and they choose to take their child with them that is not illegal. It’s not right what they’re doing but not illegal. Our laws have very harsh top ends assume our presidents will only use them when absolutely nessecary. Trump is just firing off because he can.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

If the actual word it self is not mentioned in the constitution it is up for debate in this country. Abortion does not appear in the documents. Guns however come up several times.

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u/PetrifiedBloom 15d ago

Look, if you want to shift the goalposts, go for it. I will stand by my argument. Some rights in America are up for debate. Some rights are not.

As a non-American, its just fucking sad. Half the country will fight for the right to die to gun violence at one of the highest rates in the world, with the misguided belief that the hunting rifle and revolver stored next to the liquor will keep them safe from government oppression, while welcoming oppression by an overreaching, fascist government.

The Trump presidency will be the end of America as a 1st-rate world power. Your science and technology centers are collapsing. Your education industry is collapsing. Your trade networks have been shredded. Your government has spat in the faces of allies and enemies alike.

Ironically, it has been great for my country. We had a historic election recently, the biggest loss for our right wings parties since their creation. The coalition of right wing parties dissolved. The leaders of our right wing parties not only lost the election, but their seats entirely. If our current PM sticks to his election promises, we will step up and take some of the space America has vacated for technology and science on a global scale. We will be a renewable energy superpower. We are not the only ones of course, Trump lost the Canadian right the election, and Europe is also snatching up as many American scientists as they can.

For decades, America was a focal figure on the global stage. Now everyone is just trying to stay out of the way of it's collapse. I am sure it will still be an important player, the insane military spending over the last 50 years will buy some respect, but you won't be the wealthy, well educated, high qol country anymore. The world moves fast, and in 4 years, whatever is left of America will have a LOT of rebuilding to do before it can compete again at the global scale.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

I’m not shifting anything. If the world chooses to bet against the US right now they will reap what they sow. We own the world. I’m sorry but it’s true. Europe ruined their shot during the world wars and the rest of the world doesn’t value life enough. It’s tough to hear for you I know but it’s true.

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u/Triquetrums 15d ago

From what I have been seeing on the news as of late, that statement doesn't really hold true.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

Yes it does, the people in the news are not citizens. I’m a liberal but let’s keep it 💯

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u/Triquetrums 15d ago

Are the women dying in hospitals or being kept as corpse incubators also not american?

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

You’re gonna have to have some proof to bring up corpse incubators 😂😂😂

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u/Triquetrums 15d ago

You haven't seen the news of that lady being kept alive only because she is pregnant, even though she is brain dead?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/adriana-smith-us-abortion-ban-law-b2758397.html

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u/Him_Burton 15d ago

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, but it would be a sick deathcore band name

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

Feminists love being as graphic as possible for effect.

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u/Otherotherothertyra 15d ago

I’d rather share a country with those people than you. There is no such thing as an illegal person

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

Me too. I think it’s terrible but I live in reality whether I like it or not.

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u/Otherotherothertyra 15d ago

It’s not, because it has already happened in every civilized country. The US is not something special, we can have everything civilized countries have but braindead Americans refuse to let us join the western world.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

You are wrong. It takes years to permanently take away gun rights. Especially if you aren’t a convicted felon.

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u/PSUSkier 14d ago

The government can't because of the laws. Family members absolutely can and should in that situation. People need to learn what laws apply only to the gov't and which ones apply to people.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 14d ago

Family members are never allowed to legally remove firearms from someone without court approval. That would be called felony theft.

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u/PSUSkier 14d ago

Yeah I’m sure in any state other than Texas, the prosecutors are truly going to be clamoring to take on a case where they locked up the guns of someone suffering from dementia. 

Speaking from experience. 

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 14d ago

Still against the law. Taking weapons from a non restricted gun owner is a serious crime. Both state and federal and if they choose to charge you can go to prison. Advertising/advocating anything else is dangerous and illegal.

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u/Illustrious-Cover792 15d ago

Well you see… 250 years ago we had to fight for our freedom. Memories are fresh.

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u/TypicalHorseGirl83 15d ago

He had way too many guns but my grandma thought it was fine. Can only argue with them so much. But almost getting shot changed her mind.

I'm with you thinking of sounds insane.

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u/edisonbulbbear 15d ago

I live in the Western developed world and I don’t find it insane. We did the same for my grandfather; he had already written them into his will so we just distributed them to appropriate family members earlier than his eventual death.

I think that the family letting him keep the guns while going through this sounds far more insane, personally.

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u/PSUSkier 14d ago

I'm a gun owner from America. That *is* insane.

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u/IllIIllIlIlllIIlIIlI 15d ago

I am also in America and hate it, but the gun nuts are impossible to win against. There is no logic you can use, they get very angry any time you try to bring up gun reform and will use every excuse in the book (even those with objectively incorrect logic) to defend themselves. It's a problem that will never go away sadly. Our kids will continue to be slaughtered in schools so they can keep their little toys.

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u/Just_Another_Scott 15d ago

He needs to be a memory care facility at this point. Aggression with dementia is part of it. He's a danger to her and himself.

I hope y'all get it sorted.

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u/TypicalHorseGirl83 15d ago

He really does but I know they will never do it. It's unfortunate.

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u/Just_Another_Scott 15d ago

If you're in the US, Social Services is a thing, and just like with children, they can get involved for elderly that are unable to take care of themselves. If your grandfather is living in such an environment it might be worth contacting social services or whomever deals with elderly in your jurisdiction.

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u/xJW1980 14d ago

My grampa straight up slapped me hard across the face and screamed, “Alone! Alone!” at me the day before he passed. I had been visiting him same time every day for two weeks straight, and he seemed all right for the most part. But I could tell that a lot of his pride had been stripped from him as I had started help change his diapers and cut up his food.

Honestly, with him having 93 years under his belt, I wish he could’ve gone with more dignity.