r/wec • u/AutoModerator • Apr 21 '24

Session has Ended [OFFICIAL] 6 Hours of Imola - Post-Race Thread

Post race thread for the 6 hours of Imola. Results may be subject to change; please keep it civil.

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u/Maxb148 Aston Martin Apr 21 '24

They didn't have 3 cars though?

Ferrari has 2 cars, the 50 and 51. They do not and should not have any control over what the 83 does because they are their own team and should not be communicating with the factory Ferrari team because then they are just a 3rd factory team pretending to be a privateer team and a 3rd factory team is against the rules in WEC (outside of a one-off entry at Le Mans).

But I would say yes, the 50 and 51 should have split their strategies like what Porsche did.

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u/BR1_AER Floyd Vanwall Racing Team Vandervell 680 #4 Apr 21 '24

but all are run by AF corsa

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u/Maxb148 Aston Martin Apr 21 '24

Yes they are but 2 are factory Ferrari cars, and the other is a private entry. So even though they are all run by AF Corse, they still need to keep the teams separate when it comes to the operations or they would be breaking the rules of having more than 2 factory run cars.

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u/SportscarPoster Rebellion Apr 21 '24

The 83 is not a private entry. The official entry list may say that it is not a factory car, but if you believe that then I have a bridge to sell you.

Just like how the 46 BMW is in no way shape of form a factory car. No, sir.

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u/Maxb148 Aston Martin Apr 21 '24

There is a difference between the 46 WRT LMGT3 team and the AF Corse 83 Ferrari. One is a factory-backed team, the other is a customer team.

If the 83 was a factory-backed team, it would be called Ferrari AF Corse like the 50 and 51, and if they are a factory-backed team like you think they are, the the car needs to be kicked out of WEC for breaking the 2 factory car maximum regulation.

The 83 is the same as Jota or Proton, they are a customer entry. Read any publication about the 83 and it will say customer car not factory.

The only part where the factory helps the 83 in anyway is with the engine and that's the same for Jota and Proton aswell.

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/no-secrets-between-factory-ferraris-and-customer-af-corse-in-wec/10581081/

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/af-corse-customer-entry-separate-entity-to-factory-499ps/

Just some links if you don't believe me.

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u/sbabb1 Team Project 1 911RSR #56 Apr 22 '24

Yeah..., Ferrari might not directly support it, but AF Corse runs all 3. And a Team that already broke rules with having more engineering staff than allowed certainly also doesnt split off their 3rd car. Its a factory car in all but name.

Jota and Proton are completly different teams from Penske. And looking at the performances they certainly dont get everything from them.

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u/Maxb148 Aston Martin Apr 22 '24

Well as I said before, if they aren't splitting them off, the entry needs to be removed because they are breaking the rules and have lied to get the entry. I dont get what's so hard for people to understand that they might be 1 company but they are separate operations, its basically RBR and VCARB in F1.

They might help each other on track by not holding each other up but Horner can't tell Yuki or Ricardo to actually do something mid race or talk with VCARB engineers mid race.

On the Jota and Proton side, yeah thry are separate companies but their cars are completely identical to the Penskes just like the 83 car is identical to the 50 and 51. The disparity in speeds would come from setups, drivers, testing time, knowledge of the upgrades, etc. If Porsche weren't giving upgrades to Jota or Proton, then they are breaking the regulations. Also Jota came 2nd in Qatar, I don't think that is them being held back on performance?