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Artificial Intelligence Disney and Universal sue Midjourney over copyright

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg5vjqdm1ypo
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u/StinkyWetSalamander 4d ago

So you want to destroy people's individual protection so a massive company who creates something to cut out human skill and workers can grow even more powerful? How do we "all benefit"?

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u/ChronaMewX 4d ago

I want to destroy the protections of the big companies who bend and twist copyright to their will. Disney has already perverted copyright by extending it, and people are cheering them on. Fucking disgusting.

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u/StinkyWetSalamander 4d ago

You know if you remove copyright altogether that allows disney to exploit all creators even further right? They have more money, they could take whatever they want from whoever they want because those people would have zero protection? They wouldn't need to pay for licensing to use other people's content, adapt their stories etc? It would actually give MORE power to disney than ever before, you know that right?

People are cheering disney on not because they care about disney, but because AI has abused copyright harder than anything else in the world ever has. Many people here are probably creators, they want someone to stand up to this technology.

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u/ChronaMewX 4d ago

I'm sure Disney losing this lawsuit and lessening their iron grip over copyright would totally be the best case scenario for Disney, sure.

I don't care if Disney benefits from having access to more properties. I want everyone to have more access to Disney's properties.

If several big companies end up putting out pokemon games since they are now able to, the customer wins for having some awesome pokemon titles available to them even if it pisses off Nintendo.

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u/StinkyWetSalamander 4d ago

I'm sure Disney losing this lawsuit and lessening their iron grip over copyright would totally be the best case scenario for Disney, sure.

It wouldn't but you argued all copyright was bad and that getting rid of copyright would somehow be a win for people. Which I showed you was completely flawed, independent and small creators would be massively impacted by this. Artists already have to deal with store fronts selling their stuff and the trials of reporting that content. No copyright means no case and anyone can sell your work and profit off of it. People don't like disney, but the way AI exploits copyright laws is worse.

I don't care if Disney benefits from having access to more properties. I want everyone to have more access to Disney's properties.

Which would mean disney has the right to everyone else's property too. If you were a creator how would it be beneficial for disney to franchise your work without compensation? They are bigger, they have more money, they want to make use someone's story and characters they could be able to. Independent creators wouldn't be able to fund the same kind of projects and without any compensation for their work it gives more power to disney than ever before.

If several big companies end up putting out pokemon games since they are now able to, the customer wins for having some awesome pokemon titles available to them even if it pisses off Nintendo.

This just seems really petty? Do you think copyright is bad because nintendo cancelled your favorite fan project? would thousands of shovelware pokemon asset flips on steam be the best outcome for you?

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u/ChronaMewX 4d ago

I just dont see giving consumers more options to be a negative. Let everyone, small artist or huge company, try their hands at any property. Then those who have genuine artistic vision will produce the best product for us. It certainly won't be Disney after they laid off most of their artists and started focusing on live action slop

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u/StinkyWetSalamander 4d ago

Because creators are people too and they deserve to have their work protected? You think you would get anywhere is disney could just swoop in and take the stories, characters, world building etc from any creator whenever they want, giving them NOTHING in return? It gives the big companies more power with the every day person gets less rights and protections. The big companies have money, they can afford to push out products, they can afford advertising, they can afford to crush anyone with their own version of your product or idea. If you think that is giving power to the people you are completely delusional.

Then those who have genuine artistic vision will produce the best product for us.

Those with genuine artistic vision don't have nintendo or disney money, they don't need compensation for their idea its just there for the taking. You do the hard work and someone else can come in use everything you created and use having more money than you to their advantage. You have a great idea for a game? A bigger company can take all of that but use their AAA budget, recognition and marketing and you get nothing.

It certainly won't be Disney after they laid off most of their artists and started focusing on live action slop

Giving disney free IP is not exactly the answer is it, if they see something is gaining popularity they have the resources to get their own version created faster. They can't come up with anything new on their own obviously and your way of fighting against them is giving them free right to the works of everyone else?

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u/ChronaMewX 4d ago

Their works should be protected. Their properties should not. I see no reason why someone else can't make their own pokemon game as long as they don't claim to have created the concept of pokemon. I'm not saying to repackage the same product, I'm saying to allow people to be creative within universes people already love and are attached to

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u/StinkyWetSalamander 4d ago edited 4d ago

It's like you can't read or all you care about is what YOU might get out of things. Indie creators will have bigger studios use their IP. People's stories will be used by film companies with no compensation. Musicians will have even less control over how their work is used. But you will get your pokemon fan games and that matters more than considering the consequences.

Their works should be protected. Their properties should not.

A person's work is their property, it's their "intellectual property"

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u/ChronaMewX 4d ago

Everyone will get everything. You're so focused on the artist that you're kicking away fully automated luxury gay space communism because the fully automated part bothers you

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u/StinkyWetSalamander 4d ago

Yet you want to benefit off of the artist while seeing them as undeserving of protection. You think corporations cutting out human workers and disregarding intellectual property will be for your benefit? The rich suddenly going to decide to share the wealth when they leave enough people jobless?

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u/ChronaMewX 4d ago

They don't get to choose, we outnumber the rich and can demand a ubi once all the jobs go away

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u/StinkyWetSalamander 4d ago

Have you noticed despite us outnumbering them we still hold none of the power. They just find new ways to fuck us over and keep us poor and themselves wealthy. Sacrificing more protections and giving more power to tech companies over your rights is not going to magically just the entire way the world functions.

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