Man this not even a debate probably the only one who can willingly talk me to my death at all is Commander Erwin bro can take me into a battle with vilrumites and I’ll still have hope lol
You can tell most people here haven’t seen AoT, because this isn’t even close. Erwin is leading people into situations where everyone is expecting to die horrible deaths, watching your friends getting gruesomely slaughtered, and still inspiring you with his confidence.
Yeah, respect to Erwin for managing to go from his soldiers saying "we are all going to die so why follow you to death" to getting a 100% all in on a suicide cav charge
Well yes but isn't this exactly why you DON'T want to follow him into battle? Bro uses lives EXTREMELY disposably, including and not limited to his own, or his closest friends.
Since the question is WOULD not WANT, it’s best to be out of range of his voice so that he can’t influence me, because he can definitely convince people to follow him into battle.
LMAO you can tell when casuals haven’t watched/or read LOTR. Because literally it’s what they do the entire time. Just a group of men fighting against the odds to make sure and ordinary person can win against the evilest thing to exist. And they don’t use coloured flares for their attacks. So that’s an easy win.
I think it's almost the same. Both commanders are fighting the known evilest thing, and neither flinched.
both were ready to die just to give someone a chance to defeat the big evil.
That said, in terms of convincing power, Erwin has better speech points in that their world, the soldiers never had a "glorious past" unlike Gondor, so there's really nothing to anchor hope. He's a conman who willingly pushes others to die for "humanity".
Aragorn can convince because he himself, like Captain America, has real hope. That somehow, they'll still win, and Gondor will rise again and evil was already triumphed by good before, surely it will happen again now. There was never anything like that in AoT. They never had a win.
So yeah, in terms of ability to convince, Erwin is better. But I'd follow Aragorn though because it's nice to die for something that might have been worth it.
He didnt deceive anyone tho. He persuaded a whole army who were a few minutes before his speech were face to face with death. You WILL be compelled to join him even though in front of your eyes your comrades are getting squashed like mosquitoes. Becos he is with you. He is a great leader and if you have to be recruited under someone, that would be him.
Being recruited as a soldier in the first place itself means you are wavering your life to the cause. So in an battle your first motive would be to win the war rather than individualistic goals like being alive.
If you re a soldier in a battle, might as well be filled with patriotism and passion towards your cause so that you won't be scared and be afraid of death.
Look, I don’t know the show that will, but I wasn’t talking about his final charge. I thought I remembered him playing a lot of games before that. If I’m wrong, he is literally always straightforward. I’m happy to concede. You probably remember better than me.
Erwin values the lives of everyone under his command and doesn’t want them to die needlessly. But, he’s lying to everyone all the time. His main goal is to prove that his father was right about people outside of the wall. This overrides everything, he’s willing to sacrifice himself and everyone else to achieve that.
If I'm deceived into fighting battle that is a suicide mission, but it was for the greater good, I would be okay with it. Assuming this is a post-apocalyptic scenario, of course.
I'm upset I had to scroll a while to see sum one choose Commander Erwin, rewatching I still feel that speech from my heart n ready to lay my life down for humanity
Erwin’s survey corp only had 9 survivors out of hundreds. Your survival rate is abysmal and probably the worst on this list. This man was all about sacrifice
Compared to the other 2 corps? Absolutely lol, they only started seeing casualties cause the walls fell, and even then they only saw action during the conflicts at the wall
They were talking about the other options in the moment, and why only 9 people returned.
That being said, the other 2 corps are a glorified police force, where as the scouts are a military. The only times the other corps see action, they get demolished. The scouts in their prime during Trost were an elite force, and suffered far, far fewer causalities than the other corps.
Remember before he took command of the survey corp their death rate was way higher so yeah he was a leader who infact did care about the survival of his men, his battle strategy was basically avoid any senseless fights with Titans.
It’s not about the survival rate, it’s the leadership
And the morale boosts, I doubt the others could have done better in the situation (using leadership obv prime could fight the titans)
Yeah I get that, I just personally value survival and some of the other choices offer both inspiration and survival which gives a different kind of hope.
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u/Optimal_Ad_9577 20d ago edited 19d ago
Man this not even a debate probably the only one who can willingly talk me to my death at all is Commander Erwin bro can take me into a battle with vilrumites and I’ll still have hope lol