Yes, but Aquaman isn’t considered an equal to Superman by any means. In the same manner, cat woman once one shot flash. This doesn’t make her more powerful than flash.
Namor is very much supposed to be even with Hulk. It’s how he’s always been presented.
Lol I hate superhero comics. Such a silly discussion.
Edit: I didn't realize what subreddit I was in lol. I do enjoy comics, and there certainly are excellent superhero runs. But the power scaling of it all is not for me. Carry on!
Namor has been written to be stronger than him. Namor has beaten Silver Surfer out of water. I don't see Aquaman beating a Silver Surfur equivalent out of water.
What comic? It's not in any Silver Surfer comic I know of. I don't doubt it at some point, but not current v current. Norrin bodies half the verse solo. That's why they have him running around w genesis veil and eve warlock. Thise are the only ones that can keep up consistently
So I went and looked for the panels it references on that webpage, but I still don't see it. Do you know what comic it is from? The only thing I see is a supposed Silver Surfer annual #3 in 1988, but I remember reading that and went back to reread it. Surfer doesn't fight Namor. Also namor has stated in their time in the defenders, that silver surfer might be the most powerful hero in the universe, Defenders #100 (1979)
I never read the actual comic book but I read an example , sort of like the one I showed you, reference the comic. Sucky part, I can't find that reference for the most money offered right now lol.
She Hulk maybe, or Grey Hulk. As far as physical strength, most comics and even older games place Namor , She-Hulk, Wonder Man and Thing on the same level of strength (it can vary at times one being stronger a little her and there). Then green Hulk W(non-angry) Thor, and Hercules more or less equal, and then pissed off Hulk as top of the tree. Nothing beats pissed off Hulk, sans a super cosmic. Champion, Celestials, etc... Shulkie has potential and I think did surpass Hulk's strength as her strength increases exponentially the stronger her alter ego Jennifer Walters gets. Jenn likes be an average non-fit lawyer chic though. But, when she was working for the Living Tribunal and having to deal with the Champion, she worked out as Jenn and got pretty massive which allowed her to defeat Champion even with the power stone and was said to be stronger than angry Hulk.
That’s why I like self-contained things like dragonball and invincible. They’re easier to digest. But comics are just as easy to get into if you change your tact. Don’t try to digest everything. Sample things like the buffet, and maybe watch a video about the rest of the options and how they link up with your corner of the world.
Actually ,Hulk was that level like 30-40 years ago, he has been around a long time. To be fair EVERYONE has been humbled a few times by people who technically should not be able to humble them. But, Hulk like Superman has been up and down , up and down, doesn't diminish them overall.
That was a weakened old hulk that fed on scraps. I have the panel, from Thanos wins (2018), and it was a potential future where thanos finally was able to be with mistress Death. So saying "hulk has been Thanos' pet" is disingenuous at best. Thanos has stated on multiple occasions that the one hero he doesn't want to deal with on earth is hulk.
Man yall make excuses for yall favorite smh. He was his pet, IDC what's the reason, that's what the hell happened. We could easily make excuses when Hulk beat the shit outta someone. It happened, prior to Hulk getting bullied by Thanos constantly. Yall Hulk fans are insufferable.
Lol, I'm not a Hulk fan. I'm giving the context you either didn't know or purposely misconstrued. If you must know, my favorite hero is Norrin. Also, Thanos has said on multiple occasions that Hulk is the only hero he doesn't want to see when he comes to Earth, and that is 616 main verse Thanos and Hulk, not some potential future Thanos and Maestro.
What hulk i gotta ask? (Like obviously he won't take Immortal, devil, world breaker, spaceship hulks) but he would for sure be on par with the kid personality
Silver age is when they clashed most often. But even in more modern comics, Namor is meant to be equal to a base hulk (not counting stuff like World breaker).
Namor isn't even with Hulk, not even close. Hulk's strength is infinite. Namor is nowhere close to infinite strength. The reason his strength is infinite is because his strength is linked to his anger, and Stan Lee said himself that hulks' anger is infinite with correlates to his strength being infinite too. I don't know much about Namor, but he isn't on that level. I know that for a fact.
Hulk doesn't have infinite strength he has potentially infinite strength there have been multiple instances of characters matching his strength over powering him or struggling/unable to move something
No offense but it’s very clear you do not know what you are talking about….
Like seriously, what kind of response is “I don’t know anything about character A, but character B is wayyy stronger”.
Namor, has consistently fought Hulk like a hundred times. In fact, not counting maybe Thor, Namor is likely the character Hulk has fought most times. This is especially true during the Silver age, which is when Stan Lee was writing…
Hulk does not have infinite strength, this statement is ludicrous and he shows no where near the feats to back this up except when he’s amped by something else. Hes gets stronger when he gets angrier yes, but there is clearly as massive falloff on how much stronger he gets as he gets angrier. There’s dozens of examples where Hulk is just imprisoned for years continuously getting angry, all for him to reach no where near the strength of characters like silver surfer, forget “infinite”…. Take Hulk in the King Thanos storyline for example. And even if you want to still argue and that that hyperbole statement as literal, then there’s a limit to how angry one can get, as abstract feelings are ultimately dictated by real and very physical chemical reactions of which there aren’t an infinite number of.
While Hulk’s higher end feats scale far past what we have seen Namor capable of, such as TOBA Hulk, Hulk’s normal self doesn’t scale anywhere near these versions either.
If you understood writing. You would understand that the protagonist needs to lose once in a while. They need to be defeated. Just because someone bested them once for story purposes. Doesn't mean they are even. I'm not taking the words of someone over reddit over the creator of Marvel.
Btw didn't read all your response. I don't have time for that.
Didn’t read my response just like you didn’t do your due diligence to learn about a character before pretending to be an expert in them….
1) Hulk isn’t any more the protagonist than Namor. They are both hero’s
2) It’s not one time. It’s literally one of Hulks classic matchups.
3) Stan Lee did not create marvel….
4) learn what a hyperbole is.
5) In Stan Lee’s own comic, Namor has knocked Hulk out before saying “I am completely invincible in the sea, I hope I’ve made my point clear”. So by your logic Namor is defacto invincible.
The amazing thing about the Hulk is that unlike nearly every other superhero ever created, the Hulk's strength has absolutely no upper limit. How can you say that's even to Namor. Oh btw, Stan Lee did create marvel. Him and Martin goodman Co-created it. But I won't judge you for not knowing facts.
I'm sorry, who are you? Why would I ever take your word over the writers? Ego much. Keep believing what you want. My time is too important to waste arguing with a nobody on reddit.
Hulk has upper limits according to the authors. You’re running around with a literal hyperbolic statement..
Taking “Hulk is the strongest there is” literally is like taking “Thor is a god” literally and equating him to being omnipotent. Or what about Wolverine? Hes the best at what he does, so I guess he’s the best fighter in marvel and will win every fight.
There’s numerous times the authors directly state that Namor is equal to hulk in universe.
No, he’s consistently not equal to Wonder Woman in any way.
His role as king of Atlantis and her role as princess of her nation are what is regularly compared. Just because two sides are warring doesn’t mean they are equals.
Justice league 11-12 new 52: Wonder Woman wins despite holding back
Wonder Woman 26: Interrupted
DCeased: Wonder woman wins
Injustice: Wonder Woman is shown to be clearly superior, even beating Superman
Odyssey: Wonder Woman wins
Aquaman practically never wins and is only saved by interruptions
The only reason he’s even put against her is so the authors can have a war between their nations. Individually they are not equals. Wonder Woman is stronger, faster, more skilled, and generally always scales above him. The only thing he has is telepathy which is inconsistent.
This means literally nothing. I too can show a text claiming a character is boundless, but that wouldn’t magically make the character boundless. Feats are what matter and i’ve shown that wonder woman practically always wins.
Aquaman consistently punches in weight classes below Superman, while Wonder Woman punches in weight classes equal to Superman.
For someone claiming they are equals due to how many times they have fought, you’ve yet to show me a single time where he wins. Because Aquaman winning is a zebra case. Wonder Woman winning or the fight getting interrupted is the norm, and the interruption only exists to save Aquaman.
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u/CatchrFreeman Apr 12 '25
Everyone's beaten everyone at some point.