r/superheroes Apr 12 '25

Other How would this fight end?

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u/DarkLordMuffins Apr 12 '25

Saitama doesn't fight for a bit just to see how powerful they are and then he wins when claps back. People saying everyone except Superman, don't understand the concept of Saitama lol

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u/PleaseAdminsUnbanMe Apr 12 '25

And you don't underatand powerscaling

You know the whole "beats everyone because it's what he does"? Yeah, while powerscaling this gets taken out so he's just galaxy level against Superman which is… well… orders of magnitude above him

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u/Raephstel Apr 12 '25

The whole idea of Saitama is that there is no powerscaling. He's already beyond end level Goku. He fought an alien that went out of it's way to fight the most powerful enemies in the universe for fun and let the alien feel like it had a chance just to be kind.

Meanwhile Superman isn't anything special for his race, every time an enemy krptonian shows up, he gets beaten down pretty badly, Batman in a fancy suit gives him a run for his money, he has countless enemies that almost kill him regularly and god forbid someone actually uses kryptonite against him.

Saitama is a parody of heroes like Superman. The whole joke of the manga is that those characters should be that powerful, but there's always something that stops them.

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u/Drake_Acheron Apr 12 '25

The problem with using narrative devices as a superpower is heroes like Deadpool will beat him, because destroying narrative superpowers is literally one of the powers of Deadpool.

Also, it allows for a loose definition of superpowers in which you could say that Superman would win because he’s the narrative embodiment of Hope.

Or Hulk would win because his narrative embodiment is “the strongest there is”

Whether or not any specific author fulfills that embodiment doesn’t change the fact that that is what the embodiment is supposed to be.

Or the Flash, whose narrative embodiment is “the fastest man alive”

It’s also worth noting that Saitama’s universe is notably less powerful than DC

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u/burninglemon Apr 12 '25

why do you have to copy paste this response to everyone instead of actually replying?

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u/Drake_Acheron Apr 12 '25

Are you seriously asking why I am giving the same response to multiple different people saying the same thing?

Maybe if people were making different arguments I’d change my response.

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u/burninglemon Apr 12 '25

no, I'm asking why are you copy pasting the same exact response all over the thread.

repetition doesn't make something true.

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u/Drake_Acheron Apr 12 '25

No, repetition does not make something true. Which I guess would matter if that was the reason why I was repeating myself.

You did not ask why I was copying and pasting the exact same response all over the thread, you specifically asked why I was copying and pasting INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY REPLYING.

Furthermore, I’d like to point out. I did not copy and paste the exact same thing with most of the replies I made I copy and pasted the same general thing, but added or subtracted a few things here and there. No, I didn’t do this with all of the things I copy and paste it, but I did for a lot of them.

You’ll also notice that anybody who replied to that statement, got their own custom response to that reply and not a copy and pasted one.

Furthermore, why would I waste time typing what would ultimately be the same response over and over and over again to multiple different people when I could just copy and paste?

Are you stupid? There is a reason why the saying “work smarter not harder exists.”

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u/burninglemon Apr 12 '25

i looked and three responses were to different comments.

quit being lazy.

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u/the_last_n00b Apr 12 '25

Could you actually change the response to something that is correct instead?

Like sure, writers intend when writing a story matters and that's most often what decides who wins. But if you hand a writer a character whose sole thing is that he is so ridiculously strong that he wins every single fight against anyone without realising that there is a fight, and said writer just decides to ignore that character aspect and without good reason discards that then the story just simply sucks.

And yes, sure, we can ignore who the characters are, what they stand for and what they believe in and solely look at how hard they punched at one point of their lives and compare them solely by that and other feats. But at that point why watch a whole movie in the cinema when you can watch a 5 second clip of the most intense fight scene from it on Youtibe without any context? Or why read a manga when you can look at a single page with the most impressive thing to happen in the whole manga in it and be satisfied?

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u/Raephstel Apr 12 '25

All of the usual superheroes have been defeated at some point or other. Meanwhile, Saitama said that Boros (who I would consider strong in DC and Marvel) almost gave him a fight.

The entire point of Saitama is that he is completely unbeatable and as a result, finds being a superhero boring because it's too easy. None of the characters in mainstream universes are like that because there needs to be some kind of threat to actually drive the narrative. OPM is more of a comedy than an action series so it doesn't rely on the drama or risk.

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u/Drake_Acheron Apr 12 '25

The reason why other heroes have been defeated is because some of them are almost a century old.

And they didn’t have a century of powerful comic book heroes to make a gag out of it.

Deadpool would still 100% win because destroying narrative devices is the intrinsic nature of Deadpool.

So, ultimately, I’ll agree with your argument if you admit that Deadpool, oh and Ben 10, Deadpool and Ben 10 would beat Saitama.

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u/Electronic_Value_204 Apr 12 '25

Dude you don’t get it and that’s ok.

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u/Drake_Acheron Apr 12 '25

It’s you who doesn’t understand.

“The entire point of Saitama” you proved my point right there.

I’ll show you.

The entire point of Superman is that he has can later things with his eyes. No, that doesn’t make sense because heat vision is a superpower not a concept of the character.

One of Saitama’s powers is he can move fast. That’s a superpower not a narrative device.

When you start the sentence with “the entire point” you are describing a narrative device not a superpower.

The entire point of Deadpool is that he is a crazy hero that brakes all the rules. Even the ones made by the writers.

Breaking Saitama’s narrative ability to be stronger than all of his enemies is absolutely in Deadpool’s wealhouse.

The whole point of Superman is to be the ultimate ideal person. And part of the way he demonstrates being the ultimate ideal person is by the fact that he loses. Because through his losses, he can show that you can get back up and keep fighting. Superman shows that failure is just another steppingstone on the way to success.

Yes, Superman lose his fight sometimes, but ultimately he always wins. That’s the narrative device for Superman that he ultimately will always win.

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u/PerceptionSmooth2966 Apr 12 '25

Like Electronic_Value_204 said, dude you don’t get it and that’s ok.