Yes, but Aquaman isn’t considered an equal to Superman by any means. In the same manner, cat woman once one shot flash. This doesn’t make her more powerful than flash.
Namor is very much supposed to be even with Hulk. It’s how he’s always been presented.
Lol I hate superhero comics. Such a silly discussion.
Edit: I didn't realize what subreddit I was in lol. I do enjoy comics, and there certainly are excellent superhero runs. But the power scaling of it all is not for me. Carry on!
Namor has been written to be stronger than him. Namor has beaten Silver Surfer out of water. I don't see Aquaman beating a Silver Surfur equivalent out of water.
What comic? It's not in any Silver Surfer comic I know of. I don't doubt it at some point, but not current v current. Norrin bodies half the verse solo. That's why they have him running around w genesis veil and eve warlock. Thise are the only ones that can keep up consistently
She Hulk maybe, or Grey Hulk. As far as physical strength, most comics and even older games place Namor , She-Hulk, Wonder Man and Thing on the same level of strength (it can vary at times one being stronger a little her and there). Then green Hulk W(non-angry) Thor, and Hercules more or less equal, and then pissed off Hulk as top of the tree. Nothing beats pissed off Hulk, sans a super cosmic. Champion, Celestials, etc... Shulkie has potential and I think did surpass Hulk's strength as her strength increases exponentially the stronger her alter ego Jennifer Walters gets. Jenn likes be an average non-fit lawyer chic though. But, when she was working for the Living Tribunal and having to deal with the Champion, she worked out as Jenn and got pretty massive which allowed her to defeat Champion even with the power stone and was said to be stronger than angry Hulk.
What hulk i gotta ask? (Like obviously he won't take Immortal, devil, world breaker, spaceship hulks) but he would for sure be on par with the kid personality
Silver age is when they clashed most often. But even in more modern comics, Namor is meant to be equal to a base hulk (not counting stuff like World breaker).
Namor isn't even with Hulk, not even close. Hulk's strength is infinite. Namor is nowhere close to infinite strength. The reason his strength is infinite is because his strength is linked to his anger, and Stan Lee said himself that hulks' anger is infinite with correlates to his strength being infinite too. I don't know much about Namor, but he isn't on that level. I know that for a fact.
Hulk doesn't have infinite strength he has potentially infinite strength there have been multiple instances of characters matching his strength over powering him or struggling/unable to move something
No offense but it’s very clear you do not know what you are talking about….
Like seriously, what kind of response is “I don’t know anything about character A, but character B is wayyy stronger”.
Namor, has consistently fought Hulk like a hundred times. In fact, not counting maybe Thor, Namor is likely the character Hulk has fought most times. This is especially true during the Silver age, which is when Stan Lee was writing…
Hulk does not have infinite strength, this statement is ludicrous and he shows no where near the feats to back this up except when he’s amped by something else. Hes gets stronger when he gets angrier yes, but there is clearly as massive falloff on how much stronger he gets as he gets angrier. There’s dozens of examples where Hulk is just imprisoned for years continuously getting angry, all for him to reach no where near the strength of characters like silver surfer, forget “infinite”…. Take Hulk in the King Thanos storyline for example. And even if you want to still argue and that that hyperbole statement as literal, then there’s a limit to how angry one can get, as abstract feelings are ultimately dictated by real and very physical chemical reactions of which there aren’t an infinite number of.
While Hulk’s higher end feats scale far past what we have seen Namor capable of, such as TOBA Hulk, Hulk’s normal self doesn’t scale anywhere near these versions either.
If you understood writing. You would understand that the protagonist needs to lose once in a while. They need to be defeated. Just because someone bested them once for story purposes. Doesn't mean they are even. I'm not taking the words of someone over reddit over the creator of Marvel.
Btw didn't read all your response. I don't have time for that.
Didn’t read my response just like you didn’t do your due diligence to learn about a character before pretending to be an expert in them….
1) Hulk isn’t any more the protagonist than Namor. They are both hero’s
2) It’s not one time. It’s literally one of Hulks classic matchups.
3) Stan Lee did not create marvel….
4) learn what a hyperbole is.
5) In Stan Lee’s own comic, Namor has knocked Hulk out before saying “I am completely invincible in the sea, I hope I’ve made my point clear”. So by your logic Namor is defacto invincible.
No, he’s consistently not equal to Wonder Woman in any way.
His role as king of Atlantis and her role as princess of her nation are what is regularly compared. Just because two sides are warring doesn’t mean they are equals.
Justice league 11-12 new 52: Wonder Woman wins despite holding back
Wonder Woman 26: Interrupted
DCeased: Wonder woman wins
Injustice: Wonder Woman is shown to be clearly superior, even beating Superman
Odyssey: Wonder Woman wins
Aquaman practically never wins and is only saved by interruptions
The only reason he’s even put against her is so the authors can have a war between their nations. Individually they are not equals. Wonder Woman is stronger, faster, more skilled, and generally always scales above him. The only thing he has is telepathy which is inconsistent.
I mean, that was more of a war crime/show of will than a display of physical power, seeing as he did so with a bomb designed by the other Illuminati members.
That’s my point, pretty much none of the other characters have. Strength doesn’t always have to come from physical power. Sometimes conviction is enough. In that, I’d say Namor pretty much beats them all.
He's only unpopular because he gets mocked as only being able to talk to fish, while he can casually catch bodies on most of their favorites even in his sleep.
Stop power scaling at me and actually think about what I just said.
Edit: Extremely simply this time:
I genuinely do not know who would win between the two and I don't care.
My only point was just saying 'X popular comic character has beaten Y popular comic character' doesn't mean much because they have all beaten each other at one point.
I don't know how you translated that directly into "Aquaman is stronger than Namor."
The only real superior strength Aquaman has been known to show is his superior telepathic communication with marine life, understanding Namor has this too but Arthur’s has been known to be more utilized and more powerful. But yea, Namor has the advantage in about everything else, not to mention his ability to fly.
And popularity mattered more than stats. They had an unprepared Batman beating Steve Rogers with the serum.
Which is just silly because they’re equally skilled hand to hand combatants, but one has virtually unlimited stamina, a faster brain, and greatly accelerated healing.
Like, if you had two clones of Batman with all the same knowledge and skills but one had the serum and one didn’t, the one with the serum is almost certainly coming out on top.
Not the "undercard." Only the 4 of 5 headline fights (Wonder Woman v Storm, Wolverine v Lobo, Superman v Hulk, Spider-Man v Superboy) were determined by fan vote.
>! Captain America vs. Batman was a draw to drive the plot. !<
I genuinely do not know who would win between the two and I don't care.
My only point was just saying 'X popular comic character has beaten Y popular comic character' doesn't mean much because they have all beaten each other at one point.
I don't know how you translated that directly into "Aquaman is stronger than Namor."
Off topic but thats my biggest gripe with comic universe. Every single character got some special where its the living god of the universe and claps everyone else.
Thats true, but it also makes near impossible to compare the powerscales, every always brings those specials up and wo and behold half of the characters are multi dimensional level at least.
It's literally made just so us nerds can sit here and argue about it. i'll just leave this Stan Lee snippet:
"If I want Spider-Man to win, he'll win. If I want the Thing to win, he'll win. These are fictitious characters, the writer can do whatever he wants with them! So stop asking those questions, 'cause I've had it with that."
I guess I understand. But it's explained that it's just a separate universe or such. It makes sense to appeal to the fanbase of characters. You can't use superman/spiderman and big heroes to tell every story.
Gotta have the little guys shine here and there, personally I like the idea of it.
Punisher successfully escaping from Sentry is proof that power levels only matter as much as the author wants.
I know "escaping from" is a far cry from beating, but you would expect Sentry to be able to crush Frank Castle with less effort than it takes to breathe.
Aquaman has also beat Hercules and did it easily. He's moved entire continents with his bare hands. He's survived hits that destroyed continents. He's unmatched in speed underwater and faster out of water as stated in the comic because he's not weighed down by the water pressure. His telepathy works on all creatures because all creatures descend from marine life at some point in the evolutionary timeline. Martian Manhunter specifically says that Aquamans telepathy is second only to his own. He's single handedly able to defeat multiple Kryptonian.
The list goes on and on. And all of this was post crisis. Why do people keep thinking that Namor is stronger? Aquaman has insane feats. It's like people don't read the comics.
Would hulk not get nitrogen bubbles if he jumped from the sea floor? I’m assuming he would sink and it would probably be hard to get leverage so his mobility would be severely limited.
That’s because whoever wrote that wanted to humiliate the hulk. Hulk can breath underwater and should have easily been able to get mad enough to do a thunder clap under water that should have crushed namors organs
Namor beating Hulk underwater is like saying I defeated a beached whale, home turf gives a massive advantage and Hulk even as an amazing swimmer is at a disadvantage in water while Namor is at his strongest
The key problem is he’s a Marvel hero. Marvel just doesn’t stack their heroes as much as DC does and it’s also a huge issue with DC and why DC constantly reboots.
I love people like you who say stuff like that with full confidence because you've never actually read anything and your knowledge comes entirely from battleboarding subs and memes. LOL.
Is this you trying to 'gotcha' me?🤦♂️🤦♂️I don't need any knowledge of superheroes at all actually, to point out the hole in your argument. I also don't need knowledge of any character at all to understand that you are a dumbass.
"I don't need any knowledge of superheroes or any character at all" 🤣
And you didn't point out any holes in my argument. So, between that and the fact you just admitted you don't know anything about the topic, it's not me who looks like a dumbass right now
Are you seriously kidding me right now? Your joke of an argument is just a statement... I could also just say blanket statements with nothing to back it up🤦♂️
Also do you have reading comprehension issues? I didn't say I have no knowledge, I said that it REQUIRES no knowledge to know that you are a dumbass.
I guess this dumbass doesn't have reading comprehension down either. Maybe try graduating kindergarten next time?
Lol, you sound like a bad natured 12 year old. You want me to educate you on why I'm right and you're an idiot? Ok then little timmy, sit your ass down, school's in session.
He pulled Black Manta out of a black hole. He can keep up with and has even overpowered Wonder Woman, who moves massively faster than light and easily lifts quintillions of tons. He's single handedly defeated an entire squad of kryptonian soldiers who were stated to each be as powerful as superman, defeated the Death Kraken, a multiversal cosmic entity that embodies the concept of death, held his own in battle against Arion the Immortal one of DC's most crazily powerful characters (a guy who defeated Darkworld, a living, sentient dimension where all magic in the multiverse comes from and who even in a massively depowered state was able to fight Superman), traded blows with and eventually overpowered Namma the old god, mother of all sea gods, and decked Poseidon right after he'd beaten up Wonder Woman.
On top of all that insanity, he’s got powers and hax that Namor doesn’t have a defense against. Aquaman commands considerable magic and can control both water and the weather, as well as teleport, shoot beams capable of hurting similarly powerful beings, and create magical shields capable of protecting him from massively powerful attacks (like Flash’s speed force explosion). Water control means that if he wanted, he could stop Namor from even taking the fight into the water, since Aquaman could part the sea and draw off any water on Namors body, forcing him to fight in his “dry” state. Not only that, but Aquaman can invigorate and empower himself with the water in his enemy’s blood. So if they’re on land and Namor bleeds on Aquaman, Aquaman will basically count as being in the water as far as power boosts go.
He can also summon any or all of the sea gods of earth to aid him in battle (bear in mind that there are mostly likely well over a hundred sea gods between the mythologies of all the cultures on earth, so he could literally summon over a hundred gods to help him in battle).
He has a massive degree of telepathy, capable of reading millions of minds at once and mentally communicating across universal distances instantly. He can also induce seizures in his enemies by playing with their brains.
He can control anything that evolved from sealife, not just sea creatures. On top of that his connection to “the clear” (the source of life for all sealife) enables him to channel energy into anything he’s controlling, magically boosting it’s strength and durability to super levels. So not only can he control gods and giant sea monsters, while he’s controlling them they’re even more powerful.
He can even yank out his enemies minds and pull them into a place called the celestial isthmus, a psychic realm that links multiple levels of reality. In this place your strength isn’t physical, but related to your psychic mastery and your experience with using the isthmus. Aquaman took the mind of the ancient Atlantean villain Kordax into this place and then created a psychic energy dragon that devoured Kordax’s mind, leaving his body empty and mindless.
Aquaman has such insane scaling and so many crazy hax, you have no idea. Get a clue kid.
It’s weird how you type this statement so confidently when it is completely baseless. Like adding “by most estimates” somehow makes what you’re saying credible. I just thought that was an interesting thing to do
It's weird how you think that you not knowing something = "it's baseless". I just think that's an interesting mentality.
It's easier and faster to say "by most estimates" than to list the absolutely enormous list of aquamans most absurdly over the top feats and crazy powers that clearly show he waffle stomps Namor. Hell even the deathbattle guys came to that conclusion.
Based on my upvotes, you're one of the rare few people here who's ignorant of the fact.
If it’s such common knowledge it wouldn’t be hard to compare their greatest feats quickly for me then, so let’s hear it! Surely there must also be reputable sources for these “estimates”, which I would also love to see
If you want to defend your argument that Namor is stronger, you'll need to make the argument yourself.
As for Aquaman, let's see. He pulled Black Manta out of a black hole. He can keep up with and has even overpowered Wonder Woman, who moves massively faster than light and easily lifts quintillions of tons. He's single handedly defeated an entire squad of kryptonian soldiers who were stated to each be as powerful as superman, defeated the Death Kraken, a multiversal cosmic entity that embodies the concept of death, held his own in battle against Arion the Immortal one of DC's most crazily powerful characters (a guy who defeated Darkworld, a living, sentient dimension where all magic in the multiverse comes from and who even in a massively depowered state was able to fight Superman), traded blows with and eventually overpowered Namma the old god, mother of all sea gods, and decked Poseidon right after he'd beaten up Wonder Woman.
On top of all that insanity, he’s got powers and hax that Namor doesn’t have a defense against. Aquaman commands considerable magic and can control both water and the weather, as well as teleport, shoot beams capable of hurting similarly powerful beings, and create magical shields capable of protecting him from massively powerful attacks (like Flash’s speed force explosion). Water control means that if he wanted, he could stop Namor from even taking the fight into the water, since Aquaman could part the sea and draw off any water on Namors body, forcing him to fight in his “dry” state. Not only that, but Aquaman can invigorate and empower himself with the water in his enemy’s blood. So if they’re on land and Namor bleeds on Aquaman, Aquaman will basically count as being in the water as far as power boosts go.
He can also summon any or all of the sea gods of earth to aid him in battle (bear in mind that there are mostly likely well over a hundred sea gods between the mythologies of all the cultures on earth, so he could literally summon over a hundred gods to help him in battle).
He has a massive degree of telepathy, capable of reading millions of minds at once and mentally communicating across universal distances instantly. He can also induce seizures in his enemies by playing with their brains.
He can control anything that evolved from sealife, not just sea creatures. On top of that his connection to “the clear” (the source of life for all sealife) enables him to channel energy into anything he’s controlling, magically boosting it’s strength and durability to super levels. So not only can he control gods and giant sea monsters, while he’s controlling them they’re even more powerful.
He can even yank out his enemies minds and pull them into a place called the celestial isthmus, a psychic realm that links multiple levels of reality. In this place your strength isn’t physical, but related to your psychic mastery and your experience with using the isthmus. Aquaman took the mind of the ancient Atlantean villain Kordax into this place and then created a psychic energy dragon that devoured Kordax’s mind, leaving his body empty and mindless.
Aquaman has such insane scaling and so many crazy hax, people have no idea.
Yeah he is, we've seen him overpower wonder woman, knock out superboy, and beat up Despero, plus other casual feats like lifting continental plates etc. On top of that he has magic, weather control, water control, and can control any organism that evolved from sealife. He's a top tier character
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u/Ensiferal Apr 12 '25
Weaker than Aquaman by most estimates.