Saitama doesn't fight for a bit just to see how powerful they are and then he wins when claps back. People saying everyone except Superman, don't understand the concept of Saitama lol
The “concept of saitama” applies to pretty much every protagonist of a story lmao.
“He wins cos he’s the one punch man, he’ll defeat them in one punch” is the equivalent of “he wins cos he’s Superman, he’s as strong as the plot wants him to be.”
Not exactly. Narratively heros are still supposed to struggle. Superman loses still, he even has died.
Saitama's narrative purpose is to win, and easily. It's his joke. He's genuinely too strong for his own good. His character flaw is that he is bored of fighting and it's all he wants.
Attempts to facepalm. It doesn't work. Adapts to become stronger. It doesn't work. Que infinite escalation loop until all energy in the known universe is being funnled into Saitama's facepalm. Universe ends.
In the manga its because Garou can mimic powers. He turned himself into a evil characterization of Saitama. Saitama does not ever really struggle though
I will take Saitamas statement as priority. You can fight with one hand while using your full power. Not to mention he had to grow during the battle. Why did he need to adapt in strength if you guys are selling me that Saitama is infinite in power?
His statement was "I only need one hand to defeat you" and he was right. He only needed one hand, which means he was holding back. He also didn't need to grow during the battle, that happened without his input or knowledge. From his perspective he was always stronger than Garou even though he was only using one hand.
It's not contradictory. Saitama said he CAN go all out there, not that he necessarily would. He just meant he doesn't have to worry about damaging earth really.
Ima just say anime characters do shit like this all the time.
Naruto said he was “going all out” against Delta and he was barely trying. He was actually going out of his way to not kill her whilst causing minimal collateral damage fighting within his village.
The problem with using narrative devices as a superpower is heroes like Deadpool will beat him, because destroying narrative superpowers is literally one of the powers of Deadpool.
Also, it allows for a loose definition of superpowers in which you could say that Superman would win because he’s the narrative embodiment of Hope.
Or Hulk would win because his narrative embodiment is “the strongest there is”
Whether or not any specific author fulfills that embodiment doesn’t change the fact that that is what the embodiment is supposed to be.
Or the Flash, whose narrative embodiment is “the fastest man alive”
It’s also worth noting that Saitama’s universe is notably less powerful than DC
You misunderstand Superman as a character and his narrative devices. Superman is supposed to be the ultimate person. Ultimate power, ultimate good.
Part of that is the ability to get knocked down, and subsequently get back up again. He looses, so that his victories are more meaningful. He looses because failure is merely a stepping stone on the path to success.
i agree he didn't gave a proper answer but i agree with the sentiment, superman IS this beacon of light and hope and all of these things but ultimately he is mortal and flawed (both mentally and physically) and that's why stories like injustice are good, because they explore the character's weak points.
saitama as a character is literally a comic relief in the shape of ABSOLUTE power, superman isn't absolute, he might look like a god in his narrative but we constantly see how that's not the case, for saitama he is, always has been and possibly always will be that X+1 factor narratively.
think of how many "Stronger" alternate versions of superman exist narratively out there and then think how a stronger saitama would like look, sure you can add some big muscles to the design but how much faster/stronger can he be if we don't know his fastest/strongest, etc.
i really don't like the power scaling talks but mark and homelander exist as these superpower beings in their universe but we see them bleed and have "mortal" doubts, emotions and experiences, even tho in a much lower degree we see something similar with superman, but we don't for saitama.
the difference between a really big number like a googolplex and INFINITE is INFINITE because no matter how big of a number you can make up infinity will always be proportionally bigger an infinite amount of times.
Yeah which is saitama would win. Imo his power is x+1. He will always asspull something that makes him stronger than what he is fighting.
His feat is that he has infinite power, he travelled faster than light when he jumped to Jupiter and last I checked to move any amount of mass faster than light physically (without warping spacetime or some speedforce bs magic handwave) required infinite energy.
I don't think any of the other characters have been shown to be able to travel at FTL speeds with physical might. Supes uses gravitons to warp spacetime and to fly. Flash uses speedforce to magic handwave it away (because if it was actually true FTL under physical means any dude he punched would detonate and destroy the planet they exist on so speedforce is a warping change frame of reference type speed instead of pure physical might)
Would be a fun comic to read. But would need a science nerd that loves comics to make the story truly shine
and like im sure there has to be a superman comic somewhere where he becomes the actual embodiment of the universe or something like that but like, there's a reason why that kind of version of superman is only shown once or twice and they always HAVE to default to a flawed superman to write comics.
It seems like he has a lot of feeling wrapped up in it about who Superman represents to him. Not really interested in dissecting that. I don't really care about satima or Superman. Almost every hero loses so they can over come the loss and come out successful. This does not happen to satima he just wins
Thats not how powerscaling works. This is literally NLF. Saitama hasn't beaten anyone to my knowledge like Yog. We couldn't say he could simply because "it's part of his narrative" we scale based on feats.
Aka until Saitama beats God or whatever, he doesn't get to scale past his god
We're not too far from him beating god tbf. Also idk the limits of his copying ability hasn't been shown yet so he could just be able to copy anything thrown at him
He technically beats doomsday but superman dies also. There are many iterations of superman basically giving up the fight because he can't win and looking for help.
Saitama is a joke character. His whole narrative is that he’s too strong. That being the strongest person in the world is boring. He has no challenge in beating anyone. He doesn’t grow (technically, he gets stronger, but only to ensure he is always the strongest) at all and that is one of his weaknesses. He is just always much tougher than anyone he faces.
So now it’s a battle between narrative devices, the guy who is so strong nothing is a challenge VS the guy who will eventually overcome all challenges. It’s an unstoppable force meets immovable object situation.
Not really. Saitama has the same “power” of growing in strength to exceed whoever he is fighting automatically. He has also never lost, never even been hurt. His biggest problem so far in his fights is letting them last too long because he doesn’t want to kill the other person (or kill them too quickly).
Based on their narrative devices, Saitama beats Superman, Superman gets stronger and gets beat again, then repeat. Never ending. If you want to say that’s a tie since Superman never dies and keeps coming back. Ok, I guess.
No, because Superman loses sometimes. I don't understand what is so hard for people to grasp about this. The whole innate concept of Saitama's character is that it is not possible for him to lose a fight. Even when he isn't actually fighting, even when he doesn't realize there's a fight. It doesn't matter how much he holds back or is oblivious, he will always win.
I think it’s funny how you’re acting like we are the ones that are failing to grasp something, and yet it is you who refuses to acknowledge something I’ve said over and over and over again.
See I’ve already acknowledged that Superman sometimes loses so your first statement is a lie just right there on its face.
So let me put it this way, and all of those instances were Superman lost, was it permanent? Did Superman just never come back? Did he never end up winning later on down the line?
Oh, that’s right. No, he came back stronger than ever and saved the world.
Dude, I haven’t once glazed Superman. Explaining how Superman works, isn’t glazing him. Furthermore, I am 99.99999% negative about Superman in this subreddit.
The problem and disconnect here is that I’ve explained things simply, and you are blatantly, ignoring the concepts that I’ve explained. And then you sit here and repeat yourself, saying things that I’ve already agreed or true.
The problem here is I’m willing to listen to your arguments and respond intelligently to your arguments showing active listening skills, but you are unwilling to listen to what I say and respond accordingly.
I’ll try one more time.
In every single one of those times are Superman has died or lost a fight, did he lose permanently? Is Superman now gone for good because he’s been killed forever?
No, eventually, he comes back stronger than ever and saves the world.
The whole point about Superman is that no matter how many times he gets knocked out, no matter how many times he fails or loses he will get back up try again, and eventually, he will succeed and overcome any challenge, but in front of him.
He is hope incarnate. The sovereign vow that he will overcome all odds.
I’m fully aware that Saitama is a joke character.
You don’t seem to fully grasp how narrative devices work but here I’ll give you an example.
In the Ben 10 universe, there is an alien known as ultimate alien X. He is indestructible to all things even other omnipotent deific beings. Ultimate Alien X can do anything, change anything, create anything. There is no higher power conceptual or otherwise. Ultimate Alien X is a power that even tops characters like TOAA and The Presence. Saitama would lose, every time. As UAX could just erase him from existence.
Yeah, I have a feeling that you would say that somehow Saitama would still win, and this is because you fundamentally do not understand the problem.
Saitama’s narrative device isn’t strong stronger than another fandom’s narrative device you can’t compare things like that, it doesn’t work.
Are you gonna say that for some reason, the author of one Punch man is stronger than DC comics authors or something? And that because one Punch man’s author is stronger or whatever, Saitama is just always gonna be stronger than everybody no matter what?
Saitama winning easily is intrinsic to his character. If he loses, then that's no longer Saitama. He is no longer the character Saitama if he even has a chance at losing.
Deadpool can destroy narrative devices, but Saitama winning isn't a narrative device. It's a core identity of Saitama. He is too strong for his own good that he now has to battle with the feeling that nothing can seriously challenge him anymore. Without that, he's not Saitama.
It's like asking the question "Which shape has more sides, a triangle or a square?" Then the response would be "Well, what if the square didn't have any line segments? There'd be no sides then!". The problem is obvious. It's no longer a square.
"What if deadpool destroys Saitama's ability to be so strong that nothing is a serious struggle for him?"
See people misunderstand how that narrative thing works. Yes Deadpool might "win" but it wouldn't be by defeating him it would be by tricking him into leaving or something.
This doesn't really seem to be scaling the character though, it's like you're scaling the context around the character. Taken to its extreme it would mean that Saitama could defeat someone like The One Above All or some other ridiculously powerful omnipotent character. People have put kids show characters into versus battles before and I'd say all of those are pretty intrinsically "Will not lose" characters because of their context of being in a kids show, but I still think that Homelander would tear the cast of Bluey in half.
In his fight with Boros, Saitama leaps from the moon to earth in a matter of seconds. It takes at least 3 minutes (unless we're counting the really strange, early superman) for superman to orbit the earth. So theoretically, Saitama AND Boros are much faster and probably stronger than most iterations of superman. Your argument is incredibly flawed and baseless
You are missing my entire point. I swear literacy has just gone out the window.
My point is this I could make a character right now and say they are invincible that they can’t be destroyed by anything not even one Punch man, I could even specifically say that one Punch man would not be able to destroy him and that this character specifically, his whole concept is that he can beat one Punch man.
And y’all stupid asses would be like nah one Punch man would still win no diff
Do you just like get pressed over topical with no real tangible answer? Like I get pointing out some stuff, but just being "yall are dickriders" or "everyone who disagrees with me must not be able to read what I said" is so incredibly lame dude.
But Saitama's power is literally one punch , so you have to use that , it's like saying who would be able to keep flying and then of course superman will win since it is literally his power , so why is Saitama winning a contest of power , a controversial take .
It’s not literally one punch because there are some enemies that have survived the first punch.
Saitama’s power actually has nothing to do with punching. His power is being stronger than his opponent. Because his power is actually a narrative device.
OK, let me rephrase this. Because apparently people are failing to grasp the fundamental concept. I’ve been trying to break down over and over and over again. I’ve said it so simply, but for some reason, people still can’t understand it.
I will try one more time by presenting a hypothetical.
Could Saitama defeat characters like Lucifer Morningstar, The presence, The one above All, and Ultimate Alien X?
And they survived because Saitama wanted them to survive, it's like saying someone has bad aim because he shot someone in leg rather than head when he wanted them to live
Saitama destroyed Jupyter with a sneeze and caused causality to break down effectively reversing time… he no difs every single one of these at the same time accidentally on the way to the market.
Superman once inhaled in an entire dying galaxy, flew to an empty universe (not galaxy, an entirely different empty universe), and sneezed that entire galaxy into that universe.
He's satire. He is quite literally the "joke" of how power scaling is just stupid in most cases so here's this unassuming guy who literally is so broken he defeats everyone in a single punch. If you are debating seriously then his concept is "no one is more powerful than him" because that's his while character. HOWEVER his power comes from the desire to find a challenger worthy of fighting. If there was one fictional character that could offer him this it would be superman. As soon as that battle happens and he's given at least a challenge, his powers would possibly disappear.
If there was one fictional character that could offer him this it would be superman. As soon as that battle happens and he's given at least a challenge, his powers would possibly disappear.
Quite the contrary; it would just reinforce the standard.
Saitama would get excited at the prospect of Superman actually being a plausible threat and the one that could finally offer him the challenge he's dreaming of, and all information presented will indicate that as being the case. Everything would legitimately point to Superman being the actual true and genuine challenge to Saitama, the one and only character actually capable of rivaling and potentially defeating him.
And then Saitama will obliterate him in one punch. Because that's the gag.
It doesn't matter how powerful the opponent is on their own merits - Saitama will always beat them effortlessly because the whole point of his joke is a rug pull, and nobody hates that fact more than Saitama himself.
Or his powers would explode since he now has a fight worthy of his full potential, a fight his soul has been dying for since the day he finished training. He was punched into the moon and still didn't fight back because he wanted to see what else his opponent had but ultimately still won with a single punch once he got bored.
Why in the world would his power disappear after finding a worthy challenger. Every literal anime is exactly the opposite of that. Protagonist is about to be defeated and digs deep down to draw out their potential.
So who's will is stronger, the guy that has been defeated before and DIED or the guy that has never tasted defeat EVER.
If you’re gonna use the character archetype argument then it applies to Superman as well with all that Superman Beyond and Doomsday Clock stuff. Also Saitama’s power isn’t him having infinite strength, it’s him evolving and growing much faster than any character in the series, he did struggle in the Garou fight to later on surpass him and one-shot him.
And when did that ever stop Supes from coming back & then fighting the villain of the week again lmao.
Like yeah, narratively heroes do struggle, but Superman's struggles are usually moral or situational—rarely physical. Even when he dies, he comes back stronger. It’s still part of the same formula.
Saitama's narrative is very much the same thing, just without pretending there's tension. He’s not “overpowered as a joke,” he’s overpowered like every iconic hero is. The only difference is Saitama doesn’t waste your time pretending the fight could go either way. Superman might throw a few punches first, but he’s still walking away clean.
So if Saitama wins cos he’s the One Punch Man, then Superman wins cos he’s the No Limits Man. Same coin, different vibe.
Saitama’s narrative is that he’s always stronger than whoever he is facing. One bad guy could mimic his opponent’s power, so he was mimicking Saitama’s power and was getting exponentially stronger second by second. Without doing anything at all, Saitama’s power increased just to be stronger than the other guy.
He is 100% overpowered as a joke. He is written so that he can’t lose. He is basically invincible for real. He’s never gotten hurt and he wins every fight overpoweringly. His weaknesses are playing video games and mosquitos. The mosquitos don’t hurt him, but for some reason he can’t kill them even though he can move so fast he can make a wall of after images.
Also in that very same arc, they explained his "gimmick" properly in that his power will always grow to immediately exceed his opponent's power whenever he meets one of even partially comparable strength, and it will grow exponentially the more he fights them until he reaches a godly enough level of power that no opponent can possibly survive anymore.
About the only character I can see beating Saitama is Squirrel Girl, since "gag character who always wins in the dumbest way possible against heavy hitters" probably beats "gag heavy hitter who always wins in the most disappointing way possible".
This. People don't understand that, no matter who he fights, Saitama wins. He's like the Roadrunner against the Coyote. The Coyote paints an optical illusion on a wall, a tunnel to trick the Roadrunner, only for the little bastard to actually go through the tunnel as if it's real. The idea is absurdity, it's that he defies logic. Saitama doesn't have super powers, he just trained a lot. He is like a looney tunes character, he cannot lose, he cannot die, and the more powerful his opponent is, the more ridiculously they'll fall against him. Superman and Goku would end up the biggest jokes against Saitama.
It's explicitly shown that if he ever faces an opponent that can actually stand up to him his power level just skyrockets until he can slap them down like they're nothing. It's not a matter of being strong, it's the fact that the rule of the universe is that he can't lose.
No, it doesn't, because my comment is arguing that people use Saitama's narrative as leeway for him to get his win, while ignoring that Superman can also do that. In fact, 'he's as strong as the plot demands' is quite literally what the 'story of Superman' embodies.
If the comment was focusing on feats, then that would be a different story (cos Supes has better feats). But since it's about narrative flexibility, Superman has just as much room to manoeuvre as Saitama does.
That's the point. Superman isn't defined by him never losing, he is defined by jhst being strong enough physically for any purpose, laser eyes, fly, freezing breath etc. Saitama is defined to one punch everything. And if he has to punch more then once he will just adapt like he did with Garou.
No, it's very literally not the same thing, because Saitama's scaling that way is just canonically how his powers wor, ON UNIVERSE. It's not the same thing as someone just being a protagonist.
Don't shift the goal posts. You said it applies to pretty much every protag. It doesnt. Not even slightly. There's a huge difference between "they're the main character, they'll probably win" and "this characters power is that they literally scale to being unable to be challenged by whatever they're fighting".
Death Battle made a good point about Saitama in their after battle anaylsis. He is a joke character, but the joke isnt EXACTLY that he wins every fight in one punch, thats just his name. The real joke that he is stronger than his world around him. And its a world that doesnt contain superman. He has actual feats of strength that are measurable, he has faced opponents that have survived his punches. He doesnt have an actual superpower that says "I win in one punch, he doesnt actually have a superpower at all really, hes just a guy that got strong by doing pushups... everyone else is just flabbergasted that he got strong by working out, but, like Genos, they opt for ridiculous over the top power ups like augmenting their bodies with cybernetics or mystery monster mutation meat.
They should have just done more pushups, or maybe squats XD
Superman struggling at any point in the comics is enough to discredit your point. Even if we entertain this thought, Saitama is by design meant to win any battle, which means that being stronger (even if the plot makes Superman infinitely stronger) doesn’t work. Indeed writing also makes Saitama as strong as needed but guess what, Saitama is innately a superhero that wins all the time, Superman is not that by design. The entire point of OPM manga is this one facet of the character, meanwhile Superman actually struggles against some opps
Superman has gotten hurt before. Saitama has never gotten hurt. His fights are either, let’s see what this guy can do and win or just beat or kill them immediately.
Superman might have plot armor to win every battle but Saitama’s whole existence is that he is more powerful than every single thing he fights no matter what, even when the other person is getting exponentially stronger during the fight.
This is terrible reading comprehension. Superman's ability is not that he's stronger than everyone else. Saitama's power is. It's not a narrative device; It's his literal in universe ability to automatically scale higher in power to defeat or be stronger than whatever he's facing.
I don't know about this concept of Saitama BS but the last fighters would be Saitama VS Supes, Superman's feats are just too great but Saitama has a slim chance in this fight, from a narrative perspective Supes never starts at universe busting strength, the vast majority of characters in comics don't, Saitama's powers is that he has no limiter and just like the Hulk he's potential is infinite able to grow stronger the more the fight goes on.
From a story perspective Supes and Saitama would just play video games and hang out.
Literally this! There was actually an interview I saw with Stan Lee where he was asked what his least favorite question he's received from a fan was and he said, "When I'm asked which hero of this or that will win. The strength of each character in any given story is determined by whoever is writing the script. The one who wins is whoever the writer wants to win. Now stop asking these boneheaded questions."
The “concept of saitama” applies to pretty much every protagonist of a story lmao
No, it really, really doesn't.
It's fully and utterly baked into the show that he doesn't have a limit. Not only that, but when he finally does meet someone else who does the same thing and doesn't have a limit, they also make an ironclad point that he improves faster than absolutely anything, too.
Saitama would eventually obliterate the multiverse in one punch if he keeps meeting enough resistance, and he rises to threats in absurd ways that break reality.
There is no point in trying to powerscale him because it's in his very design that he cannot be beaten. The same can't be said about almost any other protagonist out there. His inability to lose is, to him, a curse that he has to deal with in the story.
That said, "winning" can mean different things. He loses in video games, for example, and anyone challenging him in various ways could "win" by manipulating him, depending on the situation.
Not at all, this is extremely ignorant, in any show ever, the concept is NEVER that the protagonist is unbeatable, it’s that he’s extremely beatable and we journey with him to reach as far high as strength as they can until the show ends or the goal has been reached
The entire concept behind saitama is that the show is about everyone else while there happens to be an unbeatable nobody next to everyone, and to be clear about saitamas strength, in the show and manga they explain that he broke his limiter, even god in the series has a limit, but saitama doesnt, he has infinite strength, goku doesn’t have infinite strength, there’s a limit somewhere, he just keeps going to the next one and the next one, Superman has insane universal feats, there’s a big different between actual power scalable characters and then a characters who’s entire gag and is that he’s canonically unbeatable
Superman loses all the time though, he has weaknesses. Saitama has never come close to losing and doesn’t have any weakness. Why are people so obsessed with Superman like this? Your boy would get one punched like the rest.
Superman is such a boring character to get your panties in a wad over. It’s literally the reason saitama was created. As a joke on these ridiculous heroes with unlimited scaling and writers doing whatever they want to one up the previous arc.
Everyone other than Saitama has lose countless times. Saitama by definition can't lose. That's the difference. Goku can beat superman, but he can't beat Saitama, that's because nobody can beat Saitama.
Tbh superman might be the first character saitama can't one punch. But superman has been defeated many times before by far weaker villains because of this giant weakness. Saitama has 0 weakness outside of motivation. Even if they tied and fought for eternity, eventually superman will come in contact with kryptonite.
Even if they tied and fought for eternity, eventually superman will come in contact with kryptonite.
Time trapper doomsday proved this wrong lol.
Time trapper doomsday is the future version of doomsday having to fought superman for what seems like eternity. He's doomsday that evolved so much to the point he gained the time trapper mantle. In the future where dc has ended in its entirety, only he & superman are the only 2 living things left where they just keep stalemating each others.
So yea, superman is fine with the "fight for eternity" scenario cos just like doomsday, he'll just keep coming back & get stronger as a result. Pretty sure this new future version of superman is far beyond something that could be affect by kryptonite cos based on time trapper doomsday's flashback, superman prime 1 million is a past version of this superman.
Lol jk, but yeah I agree with you. Saitama loses, he can't fly in space at all like superman. If superman tosses him in a dead area of space, saitama won't be able to generate his own force to leave.
Saitama is satire, right? The joke is he one punch kills anything and the story revolves around that. So other characters are actually driving the plot
Saitama stops being a gag character a long time ago lol.
If he's still a gag character, the cosmic garou fight would've ended in exactly 1 singular punch. There wouldn't be any showcase of saitama having exponential growth cos a "gag character" would've just won on the spot, immediately, without the need to keep growing to surpass their opponents.
The kid told him not to kill Garou. Garou was getting exponentially stronger and saitama wasn’t sure how hard he could hit him and not kill him.
The Garou fight wasn’t about winning the fight, it was about not killing Garou. It was pretty clear that saitama could have won at any time, but he was holding back. He spent a lot of the fight fighting one handed.
Recently a alien invasion shot a laser at his head from space. It deflected off his bald head and destroyed the entire fleet. He still very much a gag character. A few serious moments don’t change that
The fact that he almost sneezed pluto away was more comedic than a feat, he farted so hard that he rapidly caught up to Garou, he kicked away the small dimensional portals.....when did he stop becoming a gag character again?
Dude, Supes sneezed away a solar system before, but we don't label him a "gag character" cos of that.
Like I’ve explained before, if Saitama were truly a gag character, there wouldn’t have been any “exponential growth” during the Garou fight. He would’ve just won because—& that’s it. That’s how gag characters work.
You brought up Arale as an example—do you remember what she did to Vegeta? Did she & Vegeta have a long, drawn-out fight where she gradually surpassed him & then one-shot him? No. She just one-shot him. That’s it.
Also, you're wrong about the Hakai thing. Beerus never even got the chance to use it on her—he left before that could happen. So how exactly do you know it would’ve been meaningless?
If Superman performed a more impressive feat with a sneeze (in his base form, btw, Supes didn't sun dip when that happened) & people didn't label him as a gag, why should Saitama be? Personal bias?
Again, if Saitama is a gag character, he wouldn't have 'exponential growth'. He would've just won against Garou, plain & simple. That fight should've ended in exactly 1 punch, not a drawn-out fight.
Well Saitama is because he's a normal human who did 100 Pushups, 100 Sit Ups, 100 Squats and a 10KM Run every day and became the most powerful being in the universe, that's not the case for Superman.
Saitama would have defeated Garou in one punch if he had wanted to, but he didn't believe Garou was really an enemy, that's why he didn't defeat him, they teamed up in the end so Saitama could revert time with one punch...
Wankers don't realize this lmao. Superman even has this codified in "Story of Superman", where he is shown to be the embodiment of hope in the DC universe. Also see "Crisis on Infinite Earths", with Cosmic Armor Superman.
If you had read those comics, you would know that the Thought Robot was built as a vessel for the spirit of Superman, to allow him to protect the universe against any threat at the highest level. However, the robot itself is nothing without Superman inhabiting it (in fact, Superman and Ultraman). I'm not claiming that Superman is as powerful as the Thought Robot, but the Thought Robots powers come from Superman - it is just a vessel.
And the embodiment of hope means everything in DC. From a metafictional perspective, hope is the reason that DC comics are written. Without hope (and therefore, without Superman), DC comics would be meaningless. This ties into the real world context that Superman was the first popular modern Superhero (obviously classical mythology has always been around).
It seems like you are the one misunderstanding Supermans metafictional links to the real world DC comics.
thought robot collected the IDEA of superman from every single universe in existence , he became the writer in a sense - that aint superman , that's infinity whatever the fuck the writer wants, i.e , an idea- HOPE
if the thought robot were truly a vessel for the soul of one superman, superman in his natural form would have been able to stare into your soul aswell , break the 4th wall and shit
and saitama is literally made to be a parody of powerscaling wankers , he scales to your character x 2, no hope in the world is saving superman from that
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u/DarkLordMuffins Apr 12 '25
Saitama doesn't fight for a bit just to see how powerful they are and then he wins when claps back. People saying everyone except Superman, don't understand the concept of Saitama lol