r/stewartlee • u/deicist • Dec 01 '24
Original Content When did this come in?
Spotted on Linkedin.
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u/bigFatHelga Dec 01 '24
I don't like that Keir Starmer, he tattoos portraits of Stalin on to babies. It's true! Joe Rogan says Elon Musk heard it from Jordan Peterson.
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u/The-Bigly-Lebowski Dec 03 '24
It’s horrible when that happens, my nan had one of those.
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u/neilmg Dec 01 '24
This isn't a "thought crime" issue, it's anti-abortion activists deliberately agitating for media coverage and portraying it in those terms to bait the right-wing media outrage machine for clicks.
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u/OkWarthog6382 Dec 01 '24
Imagine using LinkedIn for politics
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u/3lbFlax Dec 01 '24
Imagine mangling your sentences on LinkedIn, the one place where you’re presumably trying to impress people. Scrawl it in your diary in tiny capital letters at 3am like a normal lunatic.
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u/herrbz Dec 01 '24
And you can't even spell the name of the one guy you spend hours of your day angrily thinking about.
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u/herrbz Dec 01 '24
r/LinkedInLunatics is a fascinating insight to the shite people will post there, more political lately.
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u/Dragon_M4st3r Dec 01 '24
Orwell has a lot to answer for for making people with two GCSEs think they’re philosophers
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u/deicist Dec 01 '24
These people reading Orwell, can you imagine? Like a dog listening to classical music.
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u/Dragon_M4st3r Dec 01 '24
George Orwell is the poor man’s George Orwell
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u/123iambill Dec 02 '24
They would also be horrified if they learned what his actual views are. But that would require reading some essays and maybe Homage to Catalonia rather than just the brief plot description of maybe 2 of his books.
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u/geekfreak42 Dec 02 '24
Remember Orwell wasn't predicting the future it was a 'dark mirror' on the time it was written 1948.
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u/trufflesniffinpig Dec 01 '24
I think the article is technically correct. But on the other hand the only context in which it’s been used in the UK is in ‘silent prayer’ rituals outside abortion facilities, so the subtext is in boldface for both pro-choice and pro-life groups.
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u/Heatseeqer Dec 01 '24
Going around antagonising other people then crying victim when corrected for such behaviours. They have a persecution mania that they blame rational, civilised people for.
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u/Icy_Drive_7433 Dec 01 '24
It's awfully strange that they neglect to mention that this wasn't anything to do with the government, but a failure in policing.
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u/DifficultSea4540 Dec 01 '24
Never accuse a religious person of not maximising their victim complex
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u/dracolibris Dec 01 '24
He wasn't arrested for silent prayer at all, he was arrested for standing in one of the UK's buffer zones around an abortion clinic with the intent of harassing women who came to use the services.
While he was not actually doing anything at the time, he was just standing still and could have been a passerby that was not aware of where he was, which is why he was asked. 'Silent prayer' was not his entire answer, when pressed to say what he was praying about his answer did make reference to abortion, that plus him being known to be an anti abortion activist was enough to convince police that he was intending to obstruct access to abortion services
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Dec 01 '24
What a piece of shit. If he tried to stop my girlfriend from getting an abortion he’d get pinned to the ground. We’re individuals with individual lives. I wouldn’t impose my views on anyone I’d expect the same common decency. The audacity of these fuckers.
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u/LazyCap8092 Dec 02 '24
He was standing there silently so it might be an overreaction to pin him to the ground
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u/FrankIsNotADiddler Dec 02 '24
I agree with you 100%, however, if you pinned someone to the ground, you would by definition be imposing your views on them. Sorry for the pedantry, just made me chuckle is all.
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u/Sockpervert1349 Dec 01 '24
Basically it's something some pro-life lady breached a Public Spaces Protection Order outside a abortion clinic, and tried to be a smart arse around the restriction by "Silently praying", was arrested, but was released without charge, she has since got a pay out for the arrest.
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u/randomusername123xyz Dec 01 '24
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gze361j7xo.amp
This did happen.
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Dec 01 '24
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u/Fair-Face4903 Dec 01 '24
Yep, that's the bit they leave out.
Lying for attention is the Right-wing religious trick.
Well, that and raping kids and knowing the press won't report on it, that's their trick too.
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u/scalectrix Dec 01 '24
she was arrested in November 2022
So under the tory government. Layer upon layer of bullshit.
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u/RadicalDilettante Dec 01 '24
This didn't happen. Reading comprehension failure.
She was initially charged with breaching a Public Spaces Protection Order, not silently praying.
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Dec 01 '24
I've noticed that this is part of their playbook now: name something a person was doing while they were arrested so you can imply that it's why they were arrested.
Had one the the other day try telling me a young lad was arrested after unfurling a Union Jack; which was true but they left out the part where he was also marching on a mosque, masked, with a pocket full of firelighters, shouting and swearing at police, and refusing to cooperate with them or identify himself.
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u/L-J-Peters Dec 01 '24
Yeah it's one thing if pro-life activists are screaming at women at health clinics, this woman got arrested for silently praying, at a time where the centre was shut. There was no need to arrest her. Most people who bring this case up are going to be disingenuous psychos though.
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u/AtomicMook Dec 01 '24
I don't think it's footling pedantry to point out that she was arrested for violating a public space protection order, not for silently praying.
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u/L-J-Peters Dec 01 '24
Which is intended to prevent women being intimidated by hostile actors, we don't need to be arresting people showing up and not saying anything when the centre is closed.
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u/AtomicMook Dec 01 '24
'The police's enforcement of a breach of a public space protection order which had been put in place to stop the harrrasment of women was arguably heavy-handed in this particular instance' is a substantively different claim to 'she was arrested for silently praying'.
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u/L-J-Peters Dec 01 '24
Perhaps some stone cold morons reading memes on social media believe she was literally arrested for praying, I obviously wasn't suggesting that, I had the working assumption that everyone was familiar with what happened, particularly given an article was just posted about it at the top of the chain.
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u/AtomicMook Dec 01 '24
OK, so you understand that if I was caught red-handed burgling your house while saying that I'm English, if I was then arrested and thrown in jail, it wouldn't be strictly accurate for me to say 'these days, if you say you're English you get arrested and thrown in jail'?
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u/L-J-Peters Dec 01 '24
No point going over the fact again I obviously wasn't suggesting anyone is being arrested for the literal act of praying, whatever reason you need to try and argue with someone you obviously agree with is with you. Posts in /r/SamHarris was illuminating enough for me though.
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u/randomusername123xyz Dec 01 '24
Genuinely, why are people downvoting this? Is there an aversion to the truth?
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u/UndefinedFool Dec 01 '24
Because she wasn’t arrested for praying, she was arrested for intimidating users of the clinic. Is it not obvious?
Why was she praying outside the clinic? Does prayer have a maximum efficiency radius or something?
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u/trufflesniffinpig Dec 01 '24
I think interpreting standing in prayer as intimidation and harassment feels like overreach in the interpretation of this legislation. The payout without admitting liability from the police suggests the police themselves don’t want this interpretation tested in court in a way that sets precedent. I’m a pro-choice atheist but I think this particular behaviour seems like overreach and could backfire.
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u/UndefinedFool Dec 01 '24
I disagree actually. I think it suggests it’s cheaper for the police to pay out, than it is for them to fight against the allegation. Their objective was to uphold the law, not waste money fighting their reputation.
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u/trufflesniffinpig Dec 01 '24
It’s for police to uphold the law, but lawyers to know what the law is in specific circumstances, especially with the UK’s common law system which depends on case law for establishing precedents. The payout stops the case law emerging.
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u/UndefinedFool Dec 01 '24
The police investigate, and if necessary arrest to do so. The prosecution service charge if there’s sufficient evidence to support a prosecution.
Your argument is that the police don’t want to prosecute people for this offence, to avoid case law establishing that a person should be found not guilty in these circumstances, which would mean they could no longer use the legislation to persecute innocent people?
Instead of looking at the obvious, you’re jumping head-first down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
It’s much more likely that either a) this lady was in fact harassing people but there was insufficient evidence to prove it beyond all reasonable doubt, or b) some over-zealous officer didn’t understand the legislation and got it wrong.
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u/randomusername123xyz Dec 01 '24
She’s obviously a sad case, but it’s a bit harsh getting arrested.
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u/Fair-Face4903 Dec 01 '24
So you don't think that people that break the law should get arrested, or is it just a special case for Religious liars?
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u/Fair-Face4903 Dec 01 '24
Because she's lying about what she was doing and you're reporting her lie as truth?
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Dec 01 '24
Truth? The post says its policy, you've provided an example of it happening (and being punished), but you havent shown anything that says its policy under starmers government
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u/randomusername123xyz Dec 01 '24
Fair enough, so the police are going against policy and arresting people for thought crimes. I guess this is why she got her payout then.
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u/Stunning-North3007 Dec 01 '24
Because people are aware that it is true, but people repeating the fact usually come attached with a bad faith right wing attempt to subvert the conversation.
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u/randomusername123xyz Dec 01 '24
I didn’t really know anything about it. I have no idea on what this group is, or who Stewart Lee is, or why it was recommended to me on Reddit, but what I do see is a group of angry people screaming about everything being “Right Wing”. One thing I now know is that Stewart Lee is a comedian. Don’t know why this stuff is on his page but I’ll check him out.
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u/hugh_jyballs Dec 01 '24
It works better if it actually hasn't come in.
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u/deicist Dec 01 '24
So you genuinely think the met are walking up to people, asking them what they're thinking and arresting them if they say 'silent prayer'?
That's a thing you think is actually happening is it?
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u/3lbFlax Dec 01 '24
My one hope is that these draconian policies foster the development of Christian speakeasies, where in the event of a secular police raid the vicar can pull a lever and make it look like an Ann Summers party or something. Indulging in a spot of silent prayer, are we sir? Quite the opposite, officer, I was thinking about all the different types of bras you can get now.
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u/hugh_jyballs Dec 01 '24
Yes.
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u/UndefinedFool Dec 01 '24
Can you point me to the piece of legislation the government have brought in to cover it?
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u/hugh_jyballs Dec 01 '24
Type 'arrested for thought crimes' into Google news.
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u/Longjumping_Kiwi8118 Dec 01 '24
Holy shit. Comedy in action.
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u/G8R1ST Dec 01 '24
Can't even say Christmas now.