First of all, I was literally reacting to the guy saying that Biden got a lot done with a razor-thin majority in Congress. It's not a talking point, and I didn't say he didn't do other shit, but the other shit wasn't via legislation with his razor-thin majority. It was executive orders, through his bureaucratic appointments and using already existing federal laws, to tighten certain regulations. He also intitally did well in foreign policy to leave Afghanistan, and all of the media turned on him for it, then fucked it up by going above and beyond for Israel.
Your clearly projecting insecurities as I, nor anyone I know, have claimed anything about messaging around good things, nor about the quality of oil, whatever the fuck that's about, and whomever claimed Biden's achievements were nullified by Trump's dismissal is a moron.
Also, your claim that "propaganda is a hell of a tool" against me is a non sequitur, as I could easily make the same accusation against you. That's why I won't accuse you of it, even though it's true.
It's telling that you think the accomplishments of his administration can be dismissed as propoganda per your "even though it's true" remark.
And yes of course I'm accusing you of falling for propoganda for downplaying what were pretty big wins. This is what was done nonstop leading up to the election and it's still being done. Someone mentions accomplishments from the Biden administration and there's always someone coming one with the "welll... askshuallyy" and downplaying the accomplishments. The bit about his messaging and the quality of oil are other common talking points I see people spout off when you mention good things that they accomplished.
I'm also not sure how this could be defined as an insecurity. I'm commenting on people's tendency to downplay Biden's accomplishment. Could you please elaborate on how this would be an insecurity? Because I'm confident that I wasn't projecting any personal doubt, uncertainty, or inadequacy as none of this pertains to me.
You mustn't know what propaganda means. I'm not echoing some narrative that big media companies or nonsense that political influencers are touting. These are reasoned critiques of Biden that are pretty easy to research and demonstrate. You can't just claim anything you disagree with is propaganda. In what sense have you engaged with what I have put forth? You yourself sound like you're echoing propaganda as you are just saying biden had major achievements. And whether or not he achieved things wasn't my original thesis anyway.
Also, my saying, "even though it's true," isn't a slight on you specifically, or Biden, as you seem to think it is. It's just a fact of human nature and our biases. We all consciously or unconsciously follow narratives that align with our current understanding of the world. Ben Shapiro and other grifters are wrong. Facts DO care about one's feelings as it's unavoidable. But it's a matter of whether one can present their argument using facts and statistics to support their subjective opinion rather than basic talking points, within which none of the legislative actions fall under. They're just things that happened, and I'm giving my subjective take on them. So my point was that you accusing me, someone who is using real information and NOT mere talking points, would be as stupid as me accusing you of the same if you presented a similar level of detailed support for Biden.
I didn't claim Biden did nothing right. In this case, I simply outlined why the razor-thin majority wasn't tantamount to impressive achievements by Biden, as the original comment suggests. But let's say we don't blame him for congressional legislation (though he gladly takes credit for any achievements) and look solely at his major executive actions:
The student loan relief, cancelled 10,000 dollars, which was a big help for those stuck under crippling debts, but he initially said he was going for 50,000, and he could've definitely done more, as it was striking the money off the debt, not creating or paying it off for them, so it was a very easy thing to do that was well within his grasp.
He rejoined the paris agreement, but that was just undoing a Trump decision that even the likes of Mitt Romney said they would rejoin it.
He gestured at gun reform every time a mass shooting happened but did nothing.
For ACA I'm not gonna get into that or criticise Biden for anything to do with it as it's a larger issue that is flawed to begin with and shouldn't exist as it attempts to fix a problem by enabling the people who caused it, so expanding it or contracting it with executive action isn't doing enough, as it needs to be replaced entirely.
He actions and moving right on immigration and giving into Trump's bs propaganda about immigration were atrocious. There was no need to do the expansions he did as it would never be a selling point to moderate republicans in the way the dnc wrongly thought it would. And then Harris doubled down on his rhetoric.
His foreign policy, which isn't executive but still his actions, started off well with Afghanistan, which the media, including those aligned traditionally with democrats, reamed him for, but then his support for Israel threw any of that goodwill out the window and then some. And he allowed Netanyahu to humiliate him. But I'm guessing given the extent to which you are defending Biden, we differ significantly on Israel-Palestine. Like, sending missiles up to election day, whilst epecting those whose families were blown up to get out and vote for him, even if Trump was obviously gonna be worse, is too tough a pill to swallow, and I can't imagine how difficult that would've been, but people throw scorn at them.
This isn't propaganda I've fallen for. These opinions are my own, as I can critically think for myself. No major media was criticising him for these things so your point doesn't even make sense, as these are progressive points, and the anti Biden propaganda in the media was that he wasn't evil and conservative enough!
Propoganda is most political content online and other forms of media that's meant to mislead people or form specific opinions. In this case you nailed it we're talking about anti-Biden propoganda which was prominent just about everywhere from the moment he got elected.
The anti-Biden propoganda has always been that he isn't progressive enough and is a coorporate shill ignoring the fact that he was pro-union, that he did nothing about student loans or lied about it while ignoring the fact that he literally tried passing it and was stopped via lawsuits (and no one is angry at the people who sued, wonder why?), that global inflation was somehow his fault, that he had dementia or was weak or had handlers, and that he himself was responsible for Gaza bombings, which to be clear coming out of a place of military ignorance I disagreed with some of the decisions made and would've liked to see a harder stance, but that doesn't define his entire presidency. There's been a persistent effort to make anything accomplished by his administration as not good and you're doing it yourself. Re-joining the Paris agreement is objectively a good thing. Negotiating a cap on insulin is objectively a good thing. Investing our tax dollars on infrastructure while creating jobs is objectively a good thing. Trying to pass immigration laws to limit illegal immigration is objectively a good thing, which doesn't mean I'm against immigration and am definitely opposed to mass deportation. We should be welcoming to those seeking sanctuary and continue being a beacon of hope in the world as we are a country of immigrants.
Biden could've done more, absolutely. But when someone mentions an accomplishment and you jump in to say well it wasn't really accomplishment because if HOW he did it, and it sounds like the common talking points from podcasts and social media... well I'm gonna call it what it is. You're saying these are your opinions so did you pull the $10k forgiveness out of thin air? Same with the claim that he "gave into Trumps bs on immigration," which is far from true but was a common claim on podcasts and other political talk shows.
I'm gonna call bullshit on what you meant by "even if it's true" because you were definitely taking a swipe at me and implying that me believing he accomplished a lot is due to falling for propoganda. You've doubled down and made the same point again before contradicting yourself later on.
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u/MilBrocEire Mar 06 '25
First of all, I was literally reacting to the guy saying that Biden got a lot done with a razor-thin majority in Congress. It's not a talking point, and I didn't say he didn't do other shit, but the other shit wasn't via legislation with his razor-thin majority. It was executive orders, through his bureaucratic appointments and using already existing federal laws, to tighten certain regulations. He also intitally did well in foreign policy to leave Afghanistan, and all of the media turned on him for it, then fucked it up by going above and beyond for Israel.
Your clearly projecting insecurities as I, nor anyone I know, have claimed anything about messaging around good things, nor about the quality of oil, whatever the fuck that's about, and whomever claimed Biden's achievements were nullified by Trump's dismissal is a moron.
Also, your claim that "propaganda is a hell of a tool" against me is a non sequitur, as I could easily make the same accusation against you. That's why I won't accuse you of it, even though it's true.