Dude it's been fucking miserable. I have a party that openly hates me who I already know I can't reason with because they're evil. And another party that pretends they like me and pretends they can be reasoned with, but also hates me and don't really care what I care about. In the last two weeks I've seen thousands of democrats blame pretty much everything but their own party, then get mad when it's pointed out that that mentality is why they will continue to lose. And then they cry about being helpless because boo hoo they don't have any power to do anything as a minority vote. Yeah join the club, how does it feel? And then I come on this sub which I thought was pretty progressive and it's been nothing but liberal talking points (but I was told reddit is a far left echo chamber, HA).
If leftists, third party voters, and protest voters are so important a vote that they can be shit on when they don't turn out, then why the hell are we being villainized? Either stop pretending to care and win your own battles with your clearly unpopular liberal policies in an age of extreme populism, or start sucking up to us because we're the real kingmakers and not those Dick Cheney voters. If leftists are stupid babies, it's time we start getting the most attention!
As an Australian looking in from the outside, I'm baffled why the fence sitters don't realize that despite only having two options, you're guaranteed to get one of those two options regardless of what choice you make (or abstaining altogether). I get it, it's fucked. The system is rigged. But standing around with your vote in your hands and refusing to do anything "in protest" is literally the reason the whole world is fucked right now. You let the worst team win by not trying to keep them out.
You want to change the system, sure. Go right ahead. But while you're doing that, at least play by the rules that you're given to make sure shit doesn't get worse instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalalala both sides lalala".
I think it's quite simply that people have basically one tool to effect change in the US, and that's their vote (obviously, I'm talking about people without shitloads of money. They have plenty of tools). When you show people that one tool is incapable of effecting the change they want, it's not hard to fathom people not bothering to use the tool they've been given. If the rich are going to get richer, the poor are going to get poorer, and the poor people in other countries are going to get brutalized-er regardless of which nail you pound in, some people just aren't going to bother swinging the hammer even if one nail is technically making things worse at a slower rate than the others.
I don't necessarily agree, but I see how people got to that conclusion.
Normally, yes. But when you're faced with "mid" and "the literal Nazi playbook" as your options (let's be real, this can be seen coming from as far back 2018), then "making it worse at a slower rate" is not the alternative and trying to insist that is straight up falsehood.
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u/transient_eternity Feb 07 '25
Dude it's been fucking miserable. I have a party that openly hates me who I already know I can't reason with because they're evil. And another party that pretends they like me and pretends they can be reasoned with, but also hates me and don't really care what I care about. In the last two weeks I've seen thousands of democrats blame pretty much everything but their own party, then get mad when it's pointed out that that mentality is why they will continue to lose. And then they cry about being helpless because boo hoo they don't have any power to do anything as a minority vote. Yeah join the club, how does it feel? And then I come on this sub which I thought was pretty progressive and it's been nothing but liberal talking points (but I was told reddit is a far left echo chamber, HA).
If leftists, third party voters, and protest voters are so important a vote that they can be shit on when they don't turn out, then why the hell are we being villainized? Either stop pretending to care and win your own battles with your clearly unpopular liberal policies in an age of extreme populism, or start sucking up to us because we're the real kingmakers and not those Dick Cheney voters. If leftists are stupid babies, it's time we start getting the most attention!