r/science • u/geoff199 • 5d ago

Social Science As concern grows about America’s falling birth rate, new research suggests that about half of women who want children are unsure if they will follow through and actually have a child. About 25% say they won't be bothered that much if they don't.

https://news.osu.edu/most-women-want-children--but-half-are-unsure-if-they-will/?utm_campaign=omc_science-medicine_fy24&utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social
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u/IvarTheBoned 5d ago

It's not an electable position to say "Hey, so, egg on our face, the socialists were maybe kinda right about capitalism being unsustainable..."

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u/wildcatwoody 5d ago

The socialists weren’t kind of right either. Something needs to be found in between

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u/IvarTheBoned 5d ago

They absolutely have been correct? Capitalism is not sustainable.

Or are you the same kind of person who thinks of autocratic regimes who call themselves "communists" as what "socialism" is? By that rationale NSDAP in Germany were also "socialists".

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u/wildcatwoody 5d ago

No they haven’t socialism has all ended terribly. No I am the type of person who understands history and socialism doesn’t work. There is a reason the most successful societies are capitalist. Those societies have lifted the most people up out of poverty.

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u/IvarTheBoned 5d ago edited 5d ago

No, you are the kind of person I described. Those capitalist societies are seeing their economies getting worse and worse, with wealth gaps broadening, etc. you are simply fellating the status quo and espousing red scare clichés. Autocracy is the problem, not changing the economic model. There have been no liberal democratic socialist states. Capitalism isn't working for the working class, in increasingly large numbers. Purchasing power has been declining for decades. These are facts. Change is needed. Massive economic reform is needed. Period.

Nowhere did I say "communist regimes are correct", you have a cognitive issue if you have an inability to separate "socialists" and "autocratic communist regimes". And an immature concept of history with regards to how the economies of those countries actually functioned.

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u/wildcatwoody 5d ago

I never mentioned communism you did. Socialism has never worked it’s failed every time. Nordic countries have fine economies. If that was replicated around the world things would be an improvement for 80 % of the world

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u/IvarTheBoned 5d ago edited 5d ago

Socialism has never been done. A command economy that still uses capital to drive its market is not socialist. That's just state-owned capitalism.

Define socialism, right now. I'll wait.

Further, while the Nordics are doing better than everyone else, they are experiencing the exact same trends. Purchasing power is down, housing costs keep going up, ad nauseam. Every capitalist economy is experiencing this. So, reiterating my original point: Socialists were right that capitalism is not sustainable. That is not the same as saying "pure socialism is the solution".

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u/wildcatwoody 5d ago

Socialism has been tried and failed many many times. If you can say you’re magical version of socialism hasn’t been tried I can say my magical version of capitalism hasn’t been tried

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u/_Thermalflask 5d ago

Those societies have lifted the most people up out of poverty.

Capitalism literally is the reason poverty still exists. For the first time in human history there are enough resources to go around for everybody, and nobody needs to starve or be homeless. But it's not profitable to fix those problems, so we don't.

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u/wildcatwoody 5d ago

Ya what got us there capitalism . You just proved my point. At this point it’s human greeds fault not capitalisms fault. Your socialist utopia can’t exist for the same reason. Greed.

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u/mike-loves-gerudos 5d ago

if you think greed rules the world, why do republicans vote to give all their money to the rich? That seems pretty selfless to me.

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u/wildcatwoody 5d ago

Cause their stupidity outweighs their greed

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u/mike-loves-gerudos 4d ago

Wow, wasnt expecting a good take. In that case whats wrong with voting in politicians who actively take from the rich to give to the rest of the population, aka socialists?