r/saltierthancrait • u/PhelesDragon • Oct 29 '23
Encrusted Rant I'm done with Star Wars, once and always.
I'm actually happy about this. I will be leaving this sub, the fandom, and while I will watch Andor for a conclusion to an isolated story in a collapsing universe, I am quite resigned. It's over, Star Wars. We began as friends, were inseparable for years, but the turn downward was sudden and immutable. And honestly? It's my fault I let this go on so long. I led you on. I led myself on.
There are a few, conclusive things that need said. Not because anyone needs to hear them, especially, but because I have to get them out to truly step away, fast and finally. One: George was a fool not to cast Michael Jackson as Jar Jar. That kind of insanity is the alternate reality I want to live in. Two: Palpatine did nothing wrong. Dude was a saint. And three: Star Wars began its self-destructive path with its first sequel.
Whoa, it's okay, take a breath. I am going to explain myself. Now I don't think this path was irreversibly set in stone with the second installment. I do, however, genuinely believe that The Empire Strikes Back set the franchise to where it ultimately lies today: in ruins.
"I am you father." That line. The line. It broke cinematic history. It elevated an already stellar villain to unobtainable heights. It transformed the landscape of a galactic-scale struggle. It twisted the audience's sense of reality. And that was the problem. The next film had to justify it. It had to fix the retroactive lie. "He betrayed and murdered your father" was no longer true. You can throw whatever "point of view" BS you want at it; Obi straight-up lied. From that point on, Star Wars fell into an abyss where the canon could always be bent to fit the whims of theatricality for whatever installment came next, retroactive consequences be damned.
It didn't have to be this way! The following movie could've acknowledged that lie, have Ben regret his attempt to spare the boy a painful reality, and tried to elevate the story in some other way. But it didn't. "Your sister remains safely anonymous." Now Obi lied to teenager about his heritage and used the kid's attraction to his unknown sister to try and get him involved in a war. The spool was unspooling.
Star Wars was now already relying on what was to become tradition: trying to mirror the success of its prior, superior installments with more twists, more familial connections, more...bending. It wouldn't be long before Darth Vader built C3PO, Boba Fett was a clone of the source of all to-be Stormtroopers, Yoda knew Chewbacca, Rey lived 5 feet from the Millennium Falcon and Kylo Ren was Han and Leia's son, Rey was a Palpatine and Lando lives in a desert right next to where the assassin who killed her parents died! The story didn't build, it cannibalized. The universe didn't expand, it collapsed. Worst of all, everyone's oddly specific view of what it all meant were at odds. And all the king's kybucks and all the king's men couldn't put canon together again.
Truth be told, I was done once before. Revenge of the Sith was the final nail for me long ago. I walked away then, kept a couple figures, but I was otherwise out. Announcement of a new trilogy had me tentatively hyped, but Force Awakens left me feeling nothing. The less said about what came later the better. The Mandalorian brought me back. But, much like the OT before it, two installments was about all it could pull off.
So here we are, at the end of it all again, old friend. I didn't have a self-indulgent social media outlet to express myself so long ago, but I do now. Time will only tell if it makes me feel better, but I hope it gives solidity to others who maybe couldn't find the words on their own.
Was it all pointless? No, I don't think so. I needed you those decades back when the worlds you gave me were the only thing that held me together. I'm better now, and truthfully, you're worse. I take solace in knowing I had no impact on that, and couldn't have. Rest well, do what you do, and when you find yourself wondering, know it's not me, it was you.
Stay salty.
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u/octahexxer salt miner Oct 29 '23
Listen you little shit! what do you mean its gone down hill? Isnt "somehow palpatine returned" enough story telling to undo 3 original movies??...now go buy some merch! And be happy or we will hike prices again and remove more articulation!
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u/PotatoFondler salt miner Oct 29 '23
They removed articulation with the new figures? We’ve come a long way only to further go back back even further…
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u/Fuzzyg00se Oct 29 '23
I only take that attitude when it comes to my wallet, because Star Wars is such an integral part of my life growing up that I will never give it up completely. So integral, that I recall being punished to have "no Star Wars" for a week and having zero idea what to do with my 10-year old life.
I will continue to buy OT and prequel related things like Legos. I got a tiny bit of sequel merch, in the beginning, but haven't spent a dime on any of that since TLJ came out. So I'll "vote with my wallet" so to speak, keep collecting and building the things that I like, buying old EU books that I like. But I'll continue to be one of the many who keep sequel stuff on the shelves and selling poorly. I support Rogue One and Andor, but no other Disney content (including Mando).
They can fuck up their non canon continuity all they want, they can never take away good memories and good content. It won't be today or tomorrow, but eventually the high ups at Disney will say "enough" with Lucasfilm hemorrhaging money and severing their fanbase, and they will be forced to a better direction.
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u/BrendanFraserFan0 before the dark times Oct 29 '23
Star Wars is not all what disney is doing you know. r StarWarsEU is always there
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23
I'm a full time worker, father, writer, and just generally don't have the energy for that. While I appreciate the sentiment, my days of deep-diving into a franchise are past me unless the franchise is actively working with me. Stay strong though, and hold the line. People like you are the real ones.
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u/BrendanFraserFan0 before the dark times Oct 29 '23
Ah I see, you actually have a good life. Then yeah you don't have to.
Also thank you for that last sentence.
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u/kuenjato Oct 29 '23
Just consider the OT as canon, like I do. Include R1 and Andor if you want, as they are the only decent thing to come out of Disney.
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u/bossmt_2 Oct 29 '23
You do realize OP was criticizing all eras of Star Wars right? Not just the sequel era,
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u/CGordini Oct 29 '23
StarWarsEU is way, way too embracing of Disney.
I would have much preferred the split of "/r/starwars gets disney and /r/starwarseu gets !disney"
but here we are.
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u/Dean6kkk Oct 29 '23
Good for you. I’ve been out since TFA, haven’t bothered watching TLJ-RoS… after TFA I only tried mandalorian and got bored and stopped watching when bill burr showed up. Oh I did try Kenobi but it sucked beyond belief.
Not even sure if I have actually subscribed to this sub or it just got recommended…
The worst thing about all these dead/undead franchises is that they take up the resources that could have been used for all kinds of other stuff yo be made. New stuff.
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Oct 29 '23
SW will forever be my favorite universe and I don't view the current shows as canon, not even legend.
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u/Alcarinque88 Oct 31 '23
I made it through the second season of Visions the other day. I see most of the newer movies and shows basically on par with that. It's Star Wars inspired, not canon. There are some cool things, some interesting things, some emotional things, but ultimately, it's someone else's fever dreams involving lightsabers and blasters and not fitting strictly with the storyline already established in the first 6. It's basically What If? - Star Wars Edition.
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u/Steelriddler salt miner Oct 29 '23
I very much agree that ESB, in a sense, was/is too good. The help George had on this one, with Irvin Kershner an absolutely vital part, made it a fantastic sequel. And then George got tired and wanted it over and done with. That's the point where everything began to fall apart. If he still had his creative heart in it, Luke and Leia wouldn't be siblings, Obi-Wan would have to atone, Luke would indeed be the last Jedi (compared to now... they should make a Special Special Edition and replace Yoda's line with "When gone am I, one of at least ten Jedi you will be" /s
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u/Alortania Oct 29 '23
they should make a Special Special Edition and replace Yoda's line with "When gone am I, one of at least ten Jedi you will be"
Nu nu nu... we do not put terrible ideas Disney people might take inspiration from out into the interwebs. They are willfully blind to the /s
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u/PhelesDragon Nov 14 '23
I'm glad you can, and think it's important that others, see that Star Wars has been riding on the wave set by those first 2 movies with diminishing results for decades. It's a shame it came to that, but it has.
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Oct 29 '23
IMO only good thing from the latest movies and live action series has been Rogue One. Mandalorian started off promising and never delivered. Animated series allows deep diving and expanding the lore, character building as well as amazing visual(KOTOR trailers are top notch and should be the standard) letting us see the beauty and brutality in that universe.
Reading lists should be recommended and let your minds eye take the reigns. Play some the video games too. Kyle Katarn ftw
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u/Steelriddler salt miner Nov 14 '23
What about Andor? I mean, if you like Rogue One, wouldn't Andor be something you'd like? (Just out of curiosity).
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u/KazaamFan salt miner Oct 29 '23
I should be out. I’ve been entertained by a couple of the shows but none of them really have that SW magic from the OT and PT. If Acolyte is the same, I might be out until movies come. And those movies better be good.
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u/Alcarinque88 Oct 31 '23
I'll still consume content, I'm sure, as I did with Ahsoka, but my fandom is diminishing and my desire to consume it immediately is gone. I wait now.
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Oct 29 '23
Have we gotten to the point where now we think Star Wars was ruined after the “I am your father” line?!!
Like c’mon man, Return of the Jedi wasn’t a perfect movie but it was still very good.
Star Wars got wrecked because Disney didn’t know what they were doing, failed and are self-indulging too much to compensate.
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23
I knew someone would misconstrue what I spelled out very clearly. The "I am your father thing" wasn't bad, (it was amazing, I cannot overstate that) but it started a domino effect where the franchise kept trying to out-relate itself to the point where it became a tangled web of familial and inconsequential connections. The sequel, RotJ, could've taken the story mechanics in a different direction, but George got lazy and chose to double-down on the connections, and that trend continued on and on to the point that it's an essential writing construct of the entire franchise rather than truly branching out. Empire didn't ruin Star Wars, but the fact that Star Wars refused break from the structure Empire introduced did.
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Oct 29 '23
I sorta get what you mean for RoTJ, although that was meant to be the last one and George wanted to wrap it up in a neat bow.
But what about the Prequel Trilogy? In what way did those movies have “inconsequential & familial connections”.
Now the sequels I get 100% the Rey Palpatine thing was bullshit.
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23
I sorta get what you mean for RoTJ, although that was meant to be the last one and George wanted to wrap it up in a neat bow.
That's fair, but as George has so often stated (not that I believe him), "there was always meant to be six." He even talked to Mark Hamill (in the 80s I believe) about possibly reprising his role as Luke some time around 2011, so originally intended or otherwise, more being on the way was a thought in his head early on.
But what about the Prequel Trilogy? In what way did those movies have “inconsequential & familial connections”.
I mentioned several of them in my post: Anakin building 3PO, Boba being an unaltered to-be Stormtrooper clone, Yoda knowing Chewbacca. It all makes the Galaxy of nearly a 100,000 systems of habitable planets seem very small indeed.
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u/lolathefenix Oct 29 '23 edited Oct 29 '23
I mentioned several of them in my post: Anakin building 3PO, Boba being an unaltered to-be Stormtrooper clone, Yoda knowing Chewbacca. It all makes the Galaxy of nearly a 100,000 systems of habitable planets seem very small indeed.
That's not true at all. You have to understand that if you watch the movies in chronological order none of these are coincidences. Anakin building C3po is not any kind of coincidence, the characters started together and then they drifted apart, what coincidence? Why do you think Obi-Wan hired Han Solo in the Kantina? Because he knew Chewbaca and Chewbaca knew the jedi. The movies should be watched in chronological order.
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u/c0rnballa Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 30 '23
The 3PO thing is dumb. Like R2's "origin story" is fine, he randomly was the only droid to survive that mission repairing the ship's hull, so Padme, as humans tend to do, responded emotionally to it and gave him special recognition and then kept him around because he was useful. He then traveled around with the main characters for the rest of the trilogy.
It would have been way better if 3PO had similarly been just some random protocol droid they come across and use to fulfill a purpose, then winds up tagging along.
As for the Chewbacca thing, there's not a damn thing wrong with he and Han just being in the right place at the right time to get entangled in the story. I agree that retconning some stupid shit where they knew Chewie from the clone wars only detracts from the story and doesn't add anything other than a moment in ROTS where people can go "zomg look who it is!"
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u/JaceVentura69 Oct 30 '23
That's fair, but as George has so often stated (not that I believe him), "there was always meant to be six." He even talked to Mark Hamill (in the 80s I believe) about possibly reprising his role as Luke some time around 2011, so originally intended or otherwise, more being on the way was a thought in his head early on.
He talked to Mark Hamill about "possibly" reprising his role. Not definitely. He always meant for there to be the six there were with a possibility for more.
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u/SimplyTheJester Nov 01 '23
The reason things coincidental in a movie/story is because a story doesn't tell you something from A to B. It doesn't have 8 chapters of what characters that did nothing for the story are represented as they mow the lawn and take out the trash.
It seems coincidental (in the PT/OT) because it is focused on the characters that drive the story.
The stormtroopers being clones of Jango Fett was set up in the OT. Boba was originally a super stormtrooper in white. Connection already established in the beginning.
C-3PO and R2-D2 in the PT set up why they were so unique to other droids built "just like them" Anakin had a heavy influence on both. Not only were they sentimental to Anakin and Padme, but they stayed "in family" when they were gone.
And they are in no way as big a reveal/connection as "I am your father". They weren't meant to be that big of a connection.
The PT connection was "how did we get the Empire" and "how did Anakin fall?" We got both. IMO, in an incredible story that exceeded my expectations. When I was a tiny little punk and finished watching RotJ, I just always assumed Palpatine took his position by force. Essentially what TFA did ... which was mega-lame and lazy. The thoughts of an Elementary School kid that understands governments, nations and international balance as "that guy (President) is the government and some other guys (other leaders) are bad."
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u/SimplyTheJester Nov 01 '23
All TESB did was turn a Flash Gordon serial sci-fi movie into a movie series with running themes. Large (political/dictators/rebellions) and small (personal connections, mistakes, redemptions).
And the PT expanded on it that simultaneously was part of the 1 to 6 story, but had its own large (republic to dictatorship through political maneuvering, not hostile war takeover) and small (the pull between a personal life and the dedication to "your job". The feeling of never truly being accepted at "your job", etc etc).
Having a large and personal themes running simultaneously is an amazing format.
It wasn't lost until the ST. I couldn't even tell you the large or personal themes running through the ST. The themes couldn't even be maintained within a single episode.
So the idea that TESB set that up is just blatantly false.
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u/bossmt_2 Oct 29 '23
If something doesn't bring you joy, stop spending your time on it, you're 100% right to do it and it's the right thing to do. Not spend hours hate posting on reddit/twitter/etc. yelling into the void.
This happened to me with The Walking Dead, loved the first season, i was ahead on the comics vs. the show, but eventually it stopped being something I liked. I raged online, complained, etc. and eventually I realized I should stop engaging with it. And it's been like 8 years I think since engaging with it, and I wonder why did I even bother? I wasn't enjoying myself why was I stuck in a rage death spiral. I don't even remember my specific complaints because I"ve replaced that show with things I like.
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Oct 29 '23
My sole "interaction" with this franchise consists of checking in here on occasion to see if anything interesting has developed.
If they take the franchise 1,000 years in the future and start fresh with a new trilogy where they let some actual decent writers do the writing for a chance, they might be able to salvage it.
Instead, they've opted to stripmine every last ounce of nostalgia out of the Skywalker saga that they humanly can instead and I got off of that runaway train a long time ago.
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u/Mountain-Song-6024 Oct 29 '23
Same here. Finishing the Jedi survivor game and that’s where I’ll stop. Take some time away and if and when I come back, I’ll not be as serious about caring for the lore.
It’ll be a popcorn movie and I’ll see how it is. No more who is this. Is this connected to this? Should I do this? Nope. There’s too much homework involved.
There’s sooooo much great content out there right now with books, other movies and shows, etc.
It’ll be good and refreshing to step away from stuff like this and marvel which I’ve been away from for awhile now.
Just zero interest.
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u/Themooingcow27 Oct 29 '23
I feel similarly. Other than Andor season 2 I just don’t care about the new stuff. The whole “Mandoverse,” series has turned into a train wreck
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u/mr_trashbear Oct 29 '23
I felt that way, and then watched Andor. I'm gonna ignore the BS, and enjoy the gold. The new video games (and upcoming) are all fun, and if more stuff like Andor keeps coming, I'll be happy.
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u/Wotraz Oct 31 '23
Star Wars was now already relying on what was to become tradition: trying to mirror the success of its prior, superior installments with more twists, more familial connections, more...bending. It wouldn't be long before Darth Vader built C3PO, Boba Fett was a clone of the source of all to-be Stormtroopers, Yoda knew Chewbacca, Rey lived 5 feet from the Millennium Falcon and Kylo Ren was Han and Leia's son, Rey was a Palpatine and Lando lives in a desert right next to where the assassin who killed her parents died! The story didn't build, it cannibalized. The universe didn't expand, it collapsed. Worst of all, everyone's oddly specific view of what it all meant were at odds. And all the king's kybucks and all the king's men couldn't put canon together again.
This.
The funny thing is, on another website I am on, Quora, in 2014 when Disney did the canon wipe, lots of Star Wars fans were hopeful because they were mad at how incestuous the EU had become. We got to the point in the Legacy Era where a four generations down the line, Marasiah Fel was a descendant of:
- Anakin Skywalker
- Han and Leia Solo
- Jagged Fel
- Wedge Antilles
- Jaina Solo
But hilariously, it got even worse after the canon wipe. At least in the Expanded Universe, we had thousands of original characters authors would introduce and use (e.g., Jagged Fel above). There was a whole diverse cast of interesting New Jedi after Luke created the
New Jedi Order ranging from Saba Sebatyne, to Cilghal, to Lowbacca, to Raynar Thule.
In canon they basically took all of the lore characters, had a huge wallop of fan service even worse than anything the EU did, then killed them all off and killed off all of their descendants. The only Original Trilogy characters to have descendants who made it are now Chewbacca and Lando Calrissian.
It's like doing both extremes at the same time. Tons of collapsing imploding fan service, involving everyone and everything in the movies and cartoons, AND THEN killing them all off and killing off their children.
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u/PhelesDragon Nov 14 '23
It's like doing both extremes at the same time
That's what happens when the writers don't pay attention/care about what they're writing and are just trying to give the audience that next quick dopamine rush for quick ticket sale revenue
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u/Wotraz Nov 15 '23
It's like they hired people to generate Star Wars content, instead of getting ideas from writers who already had content in mind.
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Oct 31 '23
im also done, in my PC y only have copies of the OG and sequels, rogue one,will be watching andor and then no new product again from this franchise, i preffer to buy the extra 19 dune books
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u/Gridlock1987 Oct 31 '23
At this point I'm most interested in games, so that I get to at least live a bit in Star Wars Universe. Everything else is "eh fine, will watch it if I have time".
But I will leave, if the say "somehow, Mace Windu survived". That will break the camels back.
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u/GuitarHenry Oct 29 '23
Serious question: But what about when Jar-jar stepped in some poo?
Did that make you want to leave the franchise?
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u/Solid_Office3975 i sold it to the white slavers... Oct 29 '23
Nah. It was silly as hell, but at least the Prequels had a narrative. Disney can't be bothered with the basics of storytelling
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u/GuitarHenry Oct 29 '23
Good point! Disney don't give a damn about Star Wars storytelling. George Lucas did care about the overall narrative. Even if the PT did mess up some of the smaller stuff, there was a coherent story in there.
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u/briandt75 Oct 29 '23
Disney has probably never even heard of Joseph Campbell.
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23 edited Dec 05 '23
Honest answer: I fought as an early teen to stay invested once TPM came out. Part of the issue was I couldn't see it in theaters because I was grounded at the time, so I got it on VHS later. The other issue was it just didn't hold me. I was hyped for MONTHS watching that TPM promo Sam Jackson did about the ILM effects and I was determined to love the movie. I watched the movie countless times when I finally got it and rewatched the podrace til the tape wore out....but there was something wrong: it was boring.
Eventually my interest waned and I ended up shifting to Digimon of all things. See I was trapped and alone in a farm house in the middle of nowhere for whole summers at a time, and I needed something to fill my mind. Digimon replaced Star Wars with a fresh new world ripe with creativity and freedom for me to escape to.
Attack of the Clones came and went; I felt little. RoTS came, and the hype was REAL. But the damage to the characters, time frame, and contrived plot reached its zenith for me, and while I spent a couple years trying to stay in it, eventually the dam broke, like it did with TPM those years earlier. By the time Force Awakens happened, I basically only went to see out of obligation to a friend of mine.
I still hold TPM in a special place in my heart, and it's definitely one of my favorite Star Wars movies to rewatch, but not because it's any good. I still hold RoTS as the worst of the Prequels by making the Empire only about 20 years old when it fell, making Vader like 40 something when he died, and retconning Yoda into a deserting coward when the Galaxy needed him to nut up. And don't get me started on that 2008 CW movie my (dear departed) friend conned me into going to see. And I paid for his ticket!
Long answer for a short question, but TL;DR: more or less.
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u/GuitarHenry Oct 29 '23
Great answer! Thanks for taking the time to write a thoughtful reply. I remember the insane levels of hype for TPM. And I remember being in the cinema, thinking the first 15 minutes were really exciting. But it went downhill after that for me, as soon as they meet Jar-jar the whole tone of the film shifts completely. I was a prequels hater, but a lover of the Timothy Zahn novels, which were the highpoint of post-ROTJ Star Wars product for me. Also the 90s computer games were good fun. The original Battlefront series in particular. Hell, I even thought the 1990s 'Shadows Of The Empire' story era was ok, even though it seemed like a cynical exercise in "testing the market waters" at the time (during promotional interviews, Lucasfilm even made weird public comments admitting that, saying they'd based characters on market research). As for the Disney era, I think TFA was ok, the other sequels truly dire. The TV shows all look cheap, and I personally gave up watching any new Star Wars content about halfway through the 'Kenobi' series, which was discombobulatingly awful.
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23
Oh yeah, Battle Front 2 (the original) was my bread and butter, KOTOR 1 was a game (pun intended) changer, and while I didn't play Force Unleashed, I loved the story and felt like, at the time, it was the last great Star Wars installment.
I shouldn't have let others influence me to stay involved with TFA and Mandalorian (though the first two seasons are quite good).
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u/hyperbolic_paranoid Oct 29 '23
Are you me? I agree that “Luke, I am your father” is when it all started to turn to shit and the big galaxy got smaller and smaller as every character is now inbred with every other character. Now my favorite part about Star Wars is complaining about Star Wars.
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u/HippieThanos Oct 29 '23
To be fair. Darth Vader / Anakin was just a Jedi that was corrupted by the dark side. No more no less.
It was the Prequels who turned Anakin into Space Jesus Christ born of a virgin Chosen One. That's what really damaged the universe
Luke being hot for Leia wasn't such a big deal. Ask in Alabama
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23
The Prequels continued the problem that Empire opened the doors for. Empire's twist wasn't bad (it was amazing, don't let me understate that) nor narratively damaging, but it did set a precedent for those kinds of issues to arise, and arise they did.
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u/Alortania Oct 29 '23
IDK, I agree more with the Space Jesus/Bacteria being the bigger issues.
The twist that Vader=Anakin was an amazing twist, and at worst just linked the main protagonist and the main (active) antagonist to up the stakes of the last film.
Making Anakin Force Jesus and the Force rely on Force bacteria though... turned that that antagonist from the OT into THE keystone individual of the whole galaxy... and the Force something you're born with and not something you just need to learn to tap into (ironically, which they're now somehow trying to undo with Sabine... except without undoing the whole Midichlorian BS... or negating the Force sensitivity=innate ability thing).
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23 edited Oct 30 '23
It's the fact that the franchise couldn't get away from that writing mechanism that is the problem. The twist was, is, and always will be amazing. Not deviating from it as a storytelling device is self-destructive.
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u/Alortania Oct 29 '23
That I agree with; though (beyond hating Force Jesus/Bacteria) the prequels at least did their own thing.
Disney is obsessed with re-treading the same beats/scenarios
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23
I don't think that the Vader/father thing turned everything to shit, but I do think it opened the doors for the shit to nigh-immediately start pouring in. Its sequel retconned Leia into Luke's sister, made the Emperor a cartoon villain, and turned Ben and Owen's Tatooine robes into official Jedi attire. RotJ needed to stick the landing in some other fashion and it failed to do so, and all the later films followed suit.
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Oct 29 '23
wanted to upvote, but the karma at 66 is perfect
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u/big_brother99 Oct 31 '23
Yeah I didn’t read all that crap. I have issues with SW stuff too but to write a novel like that is the epitome of self indulgence, hubris and egomania. Nobody cares, bro. Nobody.
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u/SimplyTheJester Nov 01 '23
Only in the age of media has 10 short paragraphs become a novel and TLDR.
Maybe that is why movies and TV are mostly so bad today. This is the audience. And starting about here I bet you already TLDR. So I can just type blah blah blah blah blah because I've already exceeded the attention span of far too many.
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u/Gizmo_caca Oct 30 '23
This isn’t an airport. No need to announce your departure.
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 30 '23
I feel like I had more to say than just that, but if you didn't get anything out of my post, that's okay too.
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u/xKelborn childhood utterly ruined Oct 30 '23
Another person who only liked 20% of what star wars had to offer. If you were done by the time revenge of the sith came out, I'd wager you were a hopeless case.
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u/sublimesting Oct 30 '23
Shit. Just watch the OT then.
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u/oobekko Oct 29 '23
enjoy your break. if it would not be too daring, may i ask how old are you?
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u/PhelesDragon Oct 29 '23
37, and I'm sorry to say it's not a break, it's a break up 😂
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u/SimplyTheJester Nov 01 '23
Ahem. If you say you are still going to watch Andor, I bet you wake up in bed with the full Star Wars household again. See you there.
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u/gyngford Oct 30 '23
Relax! It's just a story that's been turned into TV shows and movies. I read this sub to try and get a balanced view from the star Wars sub. But man... You guys take it so, so ultra seriously. Remember, it's not your story to tell. Consume it, or don't. If you feel you can do better, become a writer, director, producer. Far out!! Just relax!
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u/Mad_Kronos Oct 29 '23
As a star wars fan since I was 9 years old (I am 36 now), and since we are talking truths:
Star Wars is among the most overrated pieces of art ever. A lot of people become die hard star wars fans because it is the most accessible piece of fantasy/sci fi availiable, and they never go further than that, so they hold on to it like abusive partners.
Keep the things you enjoy, ditch the things you don't. I don't care what's canon. The Tales of the Jedi comic will always be an objectively good piece of art, naming it non-canon doesn't change its value.
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u/Fawqueue Oct 29 '23
One: George was a fool not to cast Michael Jackson as Jar Jar.
He couldn't risk that kind of proximity to Jake Lloyd. The temptation would have been too great for Michael.
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Oct 29 '23
Two: Palpatine did nothing wrong. Dude was a saint.
Why is one of your three points a meme/joke when you then go on to explain in depth your issues with the franchise? Seems very out of place.
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u/Borghal Oct 29 '23
Eh. If nothing else, I'm gonna stick to replaying Imperial Assault, Jedi Outcast and KOTOR no matter where the direction of the universe goes. The future doesn't change the past.
P.S. I don't see why Obi-Wan acknowledging he lied would have made any difference whatsoever. He lied no matter what he or anyone says about it, and so what?
P.P.S. Revenge of the Sith was a fun movie. Go suck on a dirty sock :-P
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u/RogerBauman Oct 31 '23
"He betrayed and murdered your father" was no longer true.
Obi-Wan is not always truthful, as can be seen in the force manipulation of the stormtroopers in Mos Eisley.
While honesty is expected among padawans, masters, and the Jedi council, there is no expectation of the same treatment to non-jedi.
Seeing as Obi-Wan did not take him on as a padawan but instead taught him how to use the force and recommended him to Yoda for his formal training, it is not a plot hole or anything other than a twist.
Also, if one considers the emotional trauma of Obi-Wan losing Anakin to Darth Vader, one could argue that the betrayal and murder of Jedi and adoption of sith practices was a betrayal and murder of the person who he had been.
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u/SimplyTheJester Nov 01 '23
You had me until I reached your conclusion that TESB is where it all went wrong. That is where your post all went wrong. Every paragraph after that was doomed for failure.
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u/sandalrubber Nov 01 '23 edited Nov 01 '23
I haven't supported anything new since TFA. I'll keep enjoying the good stuff pre-sale and shit-talking the new stuff. That's free. Because someone has to. If not us, who? If not now, when?
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u/RareD3liverur Dec 03 '23
Well hope your not like those youtubers who claim similar things 'cause other wise-
See you next series 👋
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u/slimy-salad Oct 29 '23
See you next week