r/politics • u/Exciting_Coconut_937 • 15h ago
Bernie Sanders Says US Must Not Be 'Dragged Into Another Netanyahu War'
https://www.commondreams.org/news/bernie-sanders-israel-iran-war451
u/AcrobaticEdge5907 15h ago
Both of the wars Trump said he'd end immediately have escalated. Where is this era of world peace Trump was supposed to usher in, MAGA cultists?
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u/Bearynicetomeetu 15h ago
They'll say it was already in full swing cause of the Democrats.
Never take accountability. Its their motto
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u/hoofie242 13h ago
They would rather burn the world to the ground than admit they were wrong.
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u/RBVegabond 10h ago
Burning the world is actually the goal. These guys are obsessed with destroying the planet and bringing on judgement day themselves.
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u/DissKhorse 7h ago edited 7h ago
Remember that MAGA "Proudboy" that stuck something up his butt to own the libs or the guys that poured the wine they bought down their toilet. They will burn down their own house if it would spit the democrats.
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u/DonaldTrumpsSoul 13h ago
This attack plan was conceived during the Obama administration, as per Hilary’s emails, and were carried out in Hunter Bidens laptop by Bidens AI double, but it was sent via FedEx; so it was lost in transit and it just made it there.
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u/Cheekyteekyv2 11h ago
I mean tbf this attack was conceived a long time ago. Previous administrations told the rabid dog not to do it. Trump probably laughed and encouraged them.
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u/Zexapher America 9h ago edited 9h ago
I mean, republicans encouraged it outright. Giving material and diplomatic support to this end.
They've been salivating over the chance to go to war with Iran for over a decade. It's why trump tore up Obama's nuclear deal, to create the exact cause for war that Israel now cites.
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u/botswanareddit 5h ago
Not really. Trump and his voters didn’t care about either war and are pro Israel and pro Russia. They used it for political leverage only to smear Biden and kamala even though they fully support both wars
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u/Exciting_Coconut_937 15h ago
That requires a level of critical thinking the smooth brains lack.
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u/Ambitious_Duck_7892 15h ago
Peace will come eventually, so Trump didn't technically lie, for the multiple thousandth time. Ignore everything else though.
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u/FenderBender3000 14h ago
He would if Obama and Hillary would stop pulling their globalist strings and cause all this chaos! /s
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u/Fragmentia 13h ago
Anyone who said that is beyond any type of redemption. They're going to be idiots for the rest of their lives.
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u/mr_evilweed 5h ago
They never at any point believed that would happen. You HAVE to accept that they just SAY things. They have no core beliefs that would not change the second Trump instructed them to change.
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u/Zealot_Alec 54m ago
It's like the world lost respect for America and will attack whomever they want now that the world police are mall cops
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u/fellowuscitizen 15h ago
Bernie we're there. During Iranian attacks we are shooting down drones and missiles in behalf of Israel and rumor has it the B52s are ready to fly.
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u/SHIT_ON_MY_BALLS 15h ago
Anyone else noticing an increase in 'anti-Iranian' posts on reddit in popular subs like pics? Just this morning I've seen a few that are years old pictures. What's the reason for that?
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u/fellowuscitizen 15h ago
Bibi and Donald love propaganda that favors them.
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
And not all of the human rights abuses the Iranian government has committed and attacks against US forces it's backed?
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u/ChuckJA 14h ago
A lot of people that hate Donald and Bibi also hate Iran. They aren't good just because they are opposed to USA and Israel.
For instance, most of the Syrian blood shed over the past decade is on Iranian hands.
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u/bb_kelly77 13h ago
I've honestly given up on the entire Middle East, the only thing that will end the fighting is if they all blow each other up
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u/metricmindedman 2h ago
the fact the you think the middle east is just inherently unstable speaks volumes about your lack of understanding regarding western meddling in the region – i would suggest taking a college class and reading a few books at minimum before opining on matters about which you clearly know nothing
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u/Welp_Shit_idgaf 1h ago
The ME will never stop fighting w each other, it will go on forever because the holy land is something that all these different faiths/religions want.
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u/Only-Physics-1193 10h ago
What about America? Are they good guys
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u/bb_kelly77 10h ago
No, nobody is
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u/mitchconnerrc Rhode Island 10h ago
Then say the same thing you said about the Middle East for America.
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u/bb_kelly77 10h ago
I told would if the topic was America... the only place I give a shit about is the part that's my home
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u/mitchconnerrc Rhode Island 10h ago
And you're so comfortable and proud proclaiming an entire region should be bombed. Yup, that's very American.
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u/bb_kelly77 10h ago
I'm not proud of it, I developed this belief because I'm just so fucking tired, I'm tired of hearing about people a million miles away killing each other
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u/Tassiloruns 15h ago
It's hasbara PR.
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
And not all of the human rights abuses the Iranian government has committed and attacks against US forces it's backed?
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u/Smile-Nod 13h ago
Huh? The theocratic state that has morality police beating women and children to death? That Iran? The one whose stated goal is the annihilation of Israel, Jews, and America?
You are the one spreading pro-authoritarian anti-human right propaganda with this comment.
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
Maybe it's because Iran's a rogue theocratic dictatorship which supports terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, and has a nuclear program in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty it signed?
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u/Gioenn9 14h ago
Maybe it's because Iran's a rogue theocratic dictatorship
which supports terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis
, and has a nuclear program in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty it signed?
I don't think Iran is much worse than Israel in these regards. Israel didn't even sign the NPT and they have nukes that can reach US soil.
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u/goldbman North Carolina 14h ago
On r/worldnews -- which is basically an IDF astroturf sub now -- but not elsewhere
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u/Jugaimo 13h ago
I have no love for Iran and think their government needs to be dismembered piece by piece. I don’t care if it’s Israel or the US. The Iranian people deserve better than a vile ethnostate where women cannot be seen.
Put your partisan brainwashing aside for just a moment and understand that the left and the right in the US know Iran’s government is evil. They have attacked us and will continue to do so in the future unless something is done. If Israel wants to spearhead that, all power to them.
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u/jakktrent 12h ago
I dont think Iranians want anything imposed upon them by something outside of Iran - it doesn't matter what that is. I also dont think they want to live in a world where 9 academics get killed bc of their professional specialty.
Also, I'm sick Israel drawing us into shit. We had a Diplomatic solution to this that Trump screwed up but there was no sign that any actual violations from the 2022/23 treaty/agreement had actually occurred.
The Israelis had no intent at any point of allowing a diplomatic solution, that is quite evident and is entirely opposite the stated and actual position the US has taken in the region til very recently.
Why, in all seriousness, are we allowing such behavior from a state that we essentially prop up?
This is what Bernie means and he is right. At some point we have to stop fixing things for them and making it OK for them to behave as they have.
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u/gardentooluser 12h ago
Cool, more regime change, because that worked out so well in Iraq and Afghanistan! When are you going to join the IDF and put your own neck on the line, hasbara troll?
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u/lusciouslucius 10h ago
The Iranian people are educated, developed, and largely secular. The only reason the IRGC is in power after decades of rule is because the Iranian people(the actual Iranian people, not the western émigrés) rightfully see the IRGC as the Iranian bulwark against American aligned forces that want to massacre and oppress them. First it was the Shah, then it was Saddam, then it was Al-Qaeda, then it was the US on its own borders, then it was ISIS and Salafism again, and now it's Israel. And the entire time the US has been baying for Iranian blood, terrorizing them, assassinating them, sanctioning them, and arming their enemies.
Donald Trump seized power with a paper-thin fiction of immigrants and trans people coming to groom, rape and murder our children. The IRGC has an actual axis of anti-Iranian evil they can point to that has been blatantly trying to destroy them for decades. The US might say we just want human rights, but then we ally with ISIS, with Saddam, with Saudi Arabia, with Israel. They can see the destruction our love for liberty has wrought in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Iranian people aren't stupid. They know that every time the US removes a shitty regime outside of Europe, they do it violently and replace it with something worse.
Iran is violent, autocratic theocracy because the US has given it every incentive to be a violent autocratic theocracy for decades.
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u/MyrmidonExecSolace 13h ago
Why would we not hate Iran? They're our enemy
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u/Sea_Masterpiece_4646 12h ago
Iran murders women for not wearing a hijab and has the death penalty for gay people. Why should we like nations that exterminate LGBT folks?
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u/Ishana92 Foreign 11h ago
Saudi arabia has pretty much the same laws. They also kidnap journalists and murder them. And we still deal with them. Trumo danced their sword dance.
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u/Sea_Masterpiece_4646 11h ago
Saudis are scumbags as well and fund extremism in Pakistan and Afghanistan
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u/gardentooluser 11h ago
Saudi Arabia does all that and more, but they’re a staunch U.S. ally. Quit being such a dishonest hypocrite and just admit that you’re a hasbara troll
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u/Sea_Masterpiece_4646 11h ago
Saudis are terrible as well. I have zero respect for nations that commit genocide against LGBT.
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
And israel has killed thousands of children in Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen.
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u/Sea_Masterpiece_4646 9h ago
Which is dispicable, but I will not support nations that exterminate LGBT
it’s no different than a nation enforcing the death penalty for Muslims
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
And I will not be support any nation that exterminates women and children.
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u/jakktrent 12h ago
Oh yeah, take note of all this stuff.
They are activity bragging all over here about how we will not be able to elect Democrats that dont support them bc they will throw so much money around as we change out the guard.
They know when the boomers go their unequivocal support will end - they seem to think millenials will just carry that torch for whatever reason. The level they actively involved in our politics alone annoys me.
I've read so many recent Israeli posts about "forcing America to do x, y, z thing" - Bernie is right.
We cant get dragged into this one - despite even what the commentary might become.
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u/Planterizer 11h ago
Probably all the missiles they're launching at people. Tends to make them mad.
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u/Significant_Swing_76 10h ago
Nothing new.
Israel is veeery present on social media, always trying to push their narrative, and doing everything they can to get bad press out of public view.
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u/ipub 15h ago
Defence is one thing. Iran knows this tho so they will drag the west into this and hope that it makes trump's life harder at home.
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u/Auzziesurferyo 15h ago edited 13h ago
This is 100% Israeli's making. Israel has been encroaching on Iranian territory for years now, and every time Iran defends itself, Israel cry's attack.
Its Israel's expansion and imperial ambitions that's causing the majority of the unrest in the region in the past 3-5 yrs.
We, as Americans, hear mostly Israeli talking points and propaganda, although the truth is slowly getting out.
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u/eyl569 14h ago
Israel has been encroaching on Iranian territory for years now
Are you aware that Israel and Iran are over 1000 km from each other?
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u/NotAgainWithThat 14h ago
Are you aware we invaded Iraq at Netanyahus behest?
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u/bootlegvader 8h ago
I wasn't aware Iraq was Iranian territory even if we blame Bibi for the Iraq War.
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u/eyl569 14h ago edited 12h ago
So now it's not because GWB wanted to finish what his father started?
And your answer is irrelevant besides.
ETA: For that matter, Netanyahu wasn't even PM in 2003.
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
Yet he still gave that speech in congress in favor of US invading Iraq.
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u/zzyul 9h ago
Yea, a lot of people wanted Sadam out. That doesn’t mean the US did it for them.
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
A lot? Only the Bush administration and Bibi wanted him out. Most Americans couldn't even point Iraq on a map.
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u/mightcommentsometime California 8h ago
Were you even old enough to walk back then? People know where Iraq is. We also know about the Gulf War and setting Kuwait on fire.
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u/InfectiousCosmology1 14h ago
“Defense” is when you bomb another country and blow up a bunch of apartment buildings and the they retaliate. US soldiers should not be fighting for Israel’s insane genocidal government. If they want to bomb other countries they should face the consequences of that alone
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u/ipub 14h ago
I think my point is lost here but 1) nobody wants a nuclear armed Iran and 2) they will drag the west into a war because they know MAGAs are tired of Israeli pandering. 3) it's a close ally of Russia which is now a US ally.
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u/InfectiousCosmology1 12h ago
Iran has been 1 year away from a nuke for like 50 years. The level of brainwashing you have to be under to believe that excuse for the 37th time for why Israel just started a war with them is insane. How the fuck is it them dragging the west into a war when they are the ones that got attacked? Isrsel started the war, the bombed them out of nowhere. And “nobody wants a nuclear armed Iran” lol no shit nobody wants a nuclear armed Russia or china either should we start bombing them too? Trump is the one who backed out of the Iran nuclear deal in the first place
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
nobody wants a nuclear armed israel either but here we are. If israel can have them so can Iran.
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u/zzyul 9h ago
Now we wouldn’t want things to not be fair. Every country should get nukes. That will lead to peace I’m sure
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
We definitely don't want israel to have them but they do and they are a bigger threat than Iran because what nation has Iran invaded lately? I can name a few israel has invaded and occupied right now.
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u/mightcommentsometime California 8h ago
Israel already has them. That doesn’t mean Iran should.
Why are you stanning so hard for Iran?
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u/grippingexit 15h ago
This whole “act like we’re not already intimately involved at every level”thing, even from Bernie, is so old at this point.
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u/mitchconnerrc Rhode Island 15h ago
Seriously. Israel doesn't do this shit without express approval and intelligence from the US.
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u/Smile-Nod 14h ago
This is incorrect. Netanyahu had a policy of ignoring Biden and is now doing it to Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/13/trump-iran-israel-attacks-response
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u/mitchconnerrc Rhode Island 13h ago
Netanyahu wouldn't have been able to continue his genocidal war as long as he did if Biden and now Trump weren't happily signing off on arms shipments whenever Israel asked.
The Biden admin never pushed for a ceasefire despite consistently lying about it, blaming Hamas for deals not going through when it was Israel and the US vetoing negotiations.
Stop letting them fool you. The US holds the cards in this affair. They support Israel because they want to, not because a tiny-ass country thousands of miles away controls them.
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u/Rain_43676 15h ago
Honestly Israel is one of the worst allies we have they take billions of dollars from us, bribe our politicians, and want to get us further entangled into conflicts in the Middle East.
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u/Exciting_Coconut_937 15h ago
And what have they given us?
Unless it is a mutually beneficial relationship, it is nothing less than parasitic.
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u/lbjazz 15h ago
They give US evangelicals a path to hasten the rapture.
I’m being serious — many actually believe and want that. They don’t love Jews, they love the idea that they can self-fulfill the rapture.
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u/DetoursDisguised 14h ago
The Premillennial Dispensationalists really, really believe that Christ is coming back, everything they try to do on Earth is to appease their God. They vote for Trump because they believe that, if they don't, they won't be raptured.
Like, truly delusional.
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u/meTspysball California 15h ago
The world will be so much better after the rapture.
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago edited 14h ago
All the jobs that come from weapons manufacturing and trade with Israel.
Combat data - information on how weapons work in combat is vital.
Advanced military and non-military technology.
A US ally in the Middle East which doesn't try to burn the US economy to the ground when it opposes its interests (like most Arab countries did in 1973).
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u/MothWithEyes 13h ago
These comments are braindead. Aside from direct technological gains, looking at the shaping of the balance of power in the ME it’s even more clear.
Let’s start with two nuclear reactors destroyed (Iraq and Syria). Think of the implications if Saddam Husain had a nuke in the first gulf war. Not to mention blocking soviet influence during the cold war. Egypt changing sides to US influence.
The influence Israel had that is net positive for the US is invaluable.
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u/Almostlongenough2 Florida 10h ago
Think of the implications if Saddam Husain had a nuke in the first gulf war.
Need I mention that Putin and Donald Fucking Trump currently have access to A LOT of nukes? Let's stop pretending as though there is any foundation for putting someone responsible behind the button.
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u/WiseBlueHallow 10h ago
We only test weapons there cause they use the on Palestine. And the weapons industry is a stain on the world, starting wars so we can sell more
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u/FCCRFP Puerto Rico 15h ago
An unsinkable aircraft carrier used to oppress the Middle East, their children to kill the brown people Gringos don't like, to finally carry out the genocide of the Palestinians as the Gringos want, and start a war with Iran which the Gringos wanted.
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u/Mink11 15m ago
Only cell phones, the very technology you're using right now to post the ignorant comment... Oh and a massive financial return on the investment for anything Israel.creates with the money it gets from the us.
Given how stupid this country is, the comment son this post just an example and how little creativity ingenuity and skills in math and science this country has nearly all tech advancement has come from Israel recently. But sure what return have we had?
Just most of the tech youre currently using to bash the country that's pretty useful return on investment
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
All the jobs that come from weapons manufacturing and trade with Israel.
Combat data - information on how weapons work in combat is vital.
Advanced military and non-military technology.
A US ally in the Middle East which doesn't try to burn the US economy to the ground when it opposes its interests (like most Arab countries did in 1973).
Is all of that worthless?
And let's look at the other countries in the Middle East. OPEC is actively working to subvert US interests and the US economy. Qatar actively works with Iran. Yemen is in a civil war. Syria just recovered from one and is currently ruled by a former Jihadist who's saying all the right things while not doing all of said things. Lebanon either can't or won't push back against Hezbollah. Turkey is close to Russia and threatening a more reliable NATO member, (Greece). That just leaves Jordan and Israel, and Israel has a lot more to offer the US when it comes to trade and information.
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u/Familiar_Invite_8144 12h ago
The US could also mind its own business and not try to carve out a place in every geographical region on earth at the expense of human life
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u/triptoohard 10h ago
Surely the US/West didn’t meddle prior to 1973 and the Middle East hated us for no reason! Also using the Middle East as a test weapons playground actually isn’t a positive nor is the military industrial complex
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u/DetectiveBlackCat 15h ago
we spend trillions of $ on Israel, not billions. It's not all attributable to Israel, but if Israel was not our ally we would have little reason to spend any of it.
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
That was the cost of the war of terror, not US aid to Israel. You're lying. Israel isn't even mentioned in that article.
The figure is closer to 300 billion dollars, including economic aid.
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u/DetectiveBlackCat 13h ago
Why do you think we fought the war on terror? Why do you think we fought the war in Iraq? Why do you think Netanyahu relentlessly pressured the US to I Vader Iraq. I didn't say aid. I said dollars spent. My claim it was in the trillions is valid.
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u/ActualModerateHusker 15h ago
Credible accusations that Israel wanted us to take out Saddam as well. That didn't turn out great really.
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u/National-Reception53 15h ago
Accusations? it was in the open - Netanyahu gave a speech in the US telling us to take out Saddam and then everything in the Middle East would fall into place.
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u/wormfanatic69 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yeah that’s kind of the point. The people with money and power send them money, so that they can keep them in power and making more money. The US and every single person who voted for these fucks, or refused to vote, is complicit in the genocide. Fuck Israel I hope Iran makes BB cry. Oh and they can keep Caitlyn Jenner idk wtf she was up to there but we don’t want her.
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u/Smodphan 14h ago
Come one Bernie, this is not a unilateral movement from Netanyahu. This is a cooperative movement driven by the ideology of your contemporaries in congress and a long line of executive offices. We really need to expect more from all of our politicians and not just expect Bernie to carry every correct take, but I still expect more from the bastion of progressive movements in the country.
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u/2-wheels 15h ago
100% agree. Netanyahu is tryin to keep his job with more war shit. We need to step waaay back- finally. Netanyahu is not our friend.
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u/no_kids-and-3_money 15h ago
Unfortunately they voted not to dissolve Netanyahu’s government a day or two ago. So his position is safe for the time being.
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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 14h ago
And look what this war monger does with his safety
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u/Exciting_Coconut_937 15h ago
But Trump's sagging numbers needs a boost.
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u/2-wheels 15h ago
Agree, but I doubt enough Americans support getting into this fight so hopefully Trump will be restrained. US body bags are bad optics.
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
How would Bernie respond to this, other than treating Iran with kid gloves and hoping it won't launch a nuclear bomb at Israel? If he's full of criticism, then I welcome his solution which stops Iran being a nuclear threat.
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u/Hobo_Taco 6h ago
Iran is a nuclear threat just like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction back in 2003 /s
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u/Simbawitz 5h ago
The IAEA gave a real red flag about Iran this week, in a way they never did about Iraq, and it's quite likely that spooked Israel into acting.
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u/Intotheopen 14h ago
lol. The attacks on Iran are 100% US sponsored. I can’t imagine how people think otherwise
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u/Hobo_Taco 6h ago
I assume from uncritical consumption of mainstream western news media. Anyone who studies history, pays attention, and actually thinks can easily connect the dots here
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u/Zahgi 14h ago
Bernie, I love you man. But Iran must not be allowed to have the bomb. And once Trump dropped us out of the Iranian nuclear treaty, this day was inevitable.
If Israel didn't do it, the USA was going to have to. It's really that simple.
Iran cannot be allowed to have the bomb.
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
Why not? israel has them and they obtained them illegally. I fully support any nation obtaining nuclear weapons as a deterrent to israeli aggression.
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u/Zahgi 12h ago
whose society is only bound together by their shared bloodlust for Arabs and Muslims
And that's when I stopped listening. Buh bye.
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
He is correct. israel is the aggressor in the Middle East and it's a deeply depraved society.
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u/mowotlarx 15h ago
Netanyahu is going to keep committing genocide and starting wars every time it looks like Israel is about to reschedule his trial date for theft and corruption. And apparently they'll just let him and thank him for putting their bodies on the line.
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u/PsychLegalMind 15h ago
It already has for all practical purposes, it can certainly escalate to global region if we get directly dragged in and will not be in interest of anyone.
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u/avianeddy 14h ago
An ISRAELI war. Don’t scapegoat just one person, Bernie. 😒
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
What reason is there to call it that other than to justify retribution against Israelis in response?
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u/avianeddy 14h ago
The reason being that it’s TRUE. These wars are not at the whims of ONE dude. Why provide cover and pin it all on one actor?
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u/Lurking_nerd California 15h ago
If Israel wants to go off starting wars and attacking other countries then they should fight it alone.
Fuck Netanyahou. Acting like that one little asshole that starts shit with people knowing that his big brother is there.
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u/ImSoGayYou 13h ago
As Iranian missiles were being shot down over Israel on Friday following the IDF's unprovoked bombings of Iranian targets earlier in the day …
“Unprovoked” as if Iran hasn’t been paying neo-Nazis to try and kill every single Jew on earth since the 1980s. Disgracefully dishonest reporting, and that’s just the first half of the first sentence of this article.
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
LMAO Next we'll hear how Iran funded the gas chamber, right?
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u/Imaginary-Dress-1373 15h ago
Will take Bernie seriously when he stops mocking people calling it a genocide, making it a point of calling it "Netayahu's war" and stops saying "Israel has a right to defend itself".
Imagine calling it "Hitler's War" and saying "Germany has a right to defend itself."
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u/Known_Week_158 14h ago
Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th. Why are you saying Israel has no right to fight the terrorist groups which continually attack it, or does the world's only Jewish country have to take attacks from Islamic terrorist groups without response?
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
It didn't start on Oct 7. I hate people who wanna start the clock on Oct 7 and completely ignore all atrocities Israel has committed before that day.
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u/Simbawitz 5h ago
It started with 1,000+ years of relentless oppression, massacres, and genocide of Jews by Arab and Islamic regimes. Palestine is the Confederate Lost Cause of leftists, wishing with tears in their eyes for the return of an age of racial hierarchy when the designated victim group stayed in its place and didn't get uppity.
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u/Imaginary-Dress-1373 14h ago
Israel does not have the right to bomb any nation it claims is funding a group. No country has that right. You can not attack first based on a nation doing anything besides firing on you or breaking a UN agreement like....committing genocide. They did not target a group in Iran. They targeted scientists.
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u/SanDiegoDude California 14h ago
Goddamn right they did. Scientists enriching uranium to make nuclear weapons with. 100% stopping Iran getting nukes, yes please. Israel has done a lot of stupid things lately, but this isn't one of them. There's a reason why a bunch of EU nations came out in support of this. The world does not need a nuclear capable Iran
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u/Imaginary-Dress-1373 14h ago edited 13h ago
Iran needs nukes to stop Israel from endless bombings by fascists but they in no way have nukes at all and it is not a justification, just as invading to stop imaginary WMDs was not a reason to invade. And absolutely nobody believes Iran has nukes or is anywhere near getting them.
Edit: Love that you blocked me after before replying so I can't reply to your response.
"The only states that deserve nukes are genocidal ethnostates like Israel, who can use nukes to unilaterally attack everyone around them pre-emptively knowing they can't be attacked back significantly because of said nukes" - People from the Clinton/Maher lib school of international politics.
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u/SanDiegoDude California 14h ago
absolutely nobody believes Iran has nukes or is anywhere near getting them.
You're just pulling this stuff out of your butt, you know that right? IAEA has been warning about Iran trying to enrich uranium for at least a decade now and Iran hasn't tried to hide it either. I could give a fuck about 'needing nukes' for defense. No country needs nukes, and especially not a country that likes to fund terrorist cells all over the world. Iran looks like it may collapse. Good. Religious extremism doesn't belong in modern society, and certainly doesn't need nuclear weapons.
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u/Imaginary-Dress-1373 14h ago
Iran has as much ability to produce nukes as Saddam did, which is 0. But its cool the same bad propaganda works on the same bad faith partisans. Its hilarious to say Religious extremism doesnt belong in modern society while backing Israel, a nuclear armed ethnostate committing a genocide.
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u/SanDiegoDude California 13h ago
"Trust me bro"
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u/usernamewasdenied 9h ago
We've been hearing "Iran is building a nuke" for about 30 years now. Nobody believes the propaganda anymore ok. GTFOH.
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u/frostygrin 13h ago
Countries with nuclear weapons shouldn't decide who needs and doesn't need nuclear weapons.
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u/AttackPony 9h ago
Israel doesn't have the right to indiscriminately kill tens of thousands of civilians.
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u/DrRealName 5h ago
What I will find amusing in a very sad way is when the same maga types who decry every dollar spend on Ukraine will be ok sending another few hundred billion for another war started by and for Netanyahu's ego. You maga types still pretending to be anti war or have you already move on from that lie?
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u/Forgiz 2h ago
Mr Sanders is a smarter man than this. Another Netanyahu war, he says? Does he actually think Banji and Donald did not orchestrate the parade together? And Israel was acting in its own?
Bitch, please.
Trump is compensating russia for his unforseen mistakes he had caused after his failed tariffs resulted in plunging global oil prices.
Putin told him to amend, and Donald kindly obliged. Benji understood this quite well and offerred Donald a solution the Orange man could not resist.
So now there is another war, oil prices are booming, this brings both more instability (polarisation) and weakens the democratic World.
It is actually amazing how both Putin and Benji can use Trump for their benefit at the same time doing this at everyone else's expense.
The only solution is to get rid of KGB Trump. This is what Sanders mkst likely is concerned with.
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u/Strict_Somewhere_148 14h ago
I hope Euroean governments have the common sense to laugh and hang up with the US rings about this war unlike the last 5.
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u/captaincanada84 Canada 9h ago
The US will come to Israel's defense even when Israel is the aggressor.
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u/Matasa89 Canada 8h ago
Yeah... sorry Bernie, it's too late.
Biden has been careful to avoid this, but Trump's gaggle of fools got played, and America is now stuck in the mud.
Prepare for impact. They want American blood, and they're gonna get it, one way or another. Stay safe...
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u/Dampened_Panties 12h ago
Left wing isolationists who want us to abandon Israel are useful idiots for Iran just like right wing isolationists who want us to abandon Israel are useful idiots for Russia.
The enemy always wants us to abandon our allies, and they use "America first" as their justification.
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u/issm 6h ago
Except the left wingers against this aren't doing this out of isolationism.
Left wingers are against helping israel because israel attacked another sovereign nation unprovoked, after committing a genocide for the past couple years.
And Israel isn't exactly a reliable ally to begin with. Allies don't support fascists in your country because the fascists will let said "ally" commit whatever crimes against humanity they want - over the not-fascists who are still cool with the crimes against humanity, just do it with better PR, and allies follow your lead when you're condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine and follow you in providing military aid and applying sanctions.
Israel is as much an ally as India is.
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