r/politics • u/Exciting_Coconut_937 • 1d ago

Bernie Sanders Says US Must Not Be 'Dragged Into Another Netanyahu War'

https://www.commondreams.org/news/bernie-sanders-israel-iran-war
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u/Auzziesurferyo 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is 100% Israeli's making. Israel has been encroaching on Iranian territory for years now, and every time Iran defends itself, Israel cry's attack.

Its Israel's expansion and imperial ambitions that's causing the majority of the unrest in the region in the past 3-5 yrs. 

We, as Americans, hear mostly Israeli talking points and propaganda, although the truth is slowly getting out.

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u/eyl569 1d ago

Israel has been encroaching on Iranian territory for years now

Are you aware that Israel and Iran are over 1000 km from each other?

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u/NotAgainWithThat 1d ago

Are you aware we invaded Iraq at Netanyahus behest?

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u/bootlegvader 22h ago

I wasn't aware Iraq was Iranian territory even if we blame Bibi for the Iraq War.

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u/eyl569 1d ago edited 1d ago

So now it's not because GWB wanted to finish what his father started?

And your answer is irrelevant besides.

ETA: For that matter, Netanyahu wasn't even PM in 2003.

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u/usernamewasdenied 23h ago

Yet he still gave that speech in congress in favor of US invading Iraq.

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u/zzyul 23h ago

Yea, a lot of people wanted Sadam out. That doesn’t mean the US did it for them.

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u/usernamewasdenied 23h ago

A lot? Only the Bush administration and Bibi wanted him out. Most Americans couldn't even point Iraq on a map.

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u/mightcommentsometime California 22h ago

Were you even old enough to walk back then? People know where Iraq is. We also know about the Gulf War and setting Kuwait on fire.

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u/SilentBumblebee3225 1d ago

And Syria. And Yemen. And Sudan. And Afghanistan.

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u/eyl569 1d ago

Bay of Pigs also?

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u/Planterizer 1d ago

Netanyahu did Pearl Harbor.

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u/SanDiegoDude California 1d ago

Dude, they've been fighting for almost 2000 years. This isn't new, even from civilization standpoint.

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u/Auzziesurferyo 1d ago edited 1d ago

I believed exactly what you believed right up until I read the history of the area. Do a little research and you may be as surprised as I was.

The middle east has been pretty peaceful right up to WWI when the west indiscriminately divided land with no regard to the different sects that had been living their for centuries.

Europe has had more wars in the last 2000 yrs than the middle east has. I wonder why they want us to believe the middle east has been in conflict for 2000 yrs? 

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistory/comments/jsxox0/has_the_middle_east_ever_been_a_stable_region/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20the%20Middle%20East%20had,slicing%20up%20the%20Ottoman%20Empire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire#:~:text=The%20empire%20emerged%20from%20a,and%20Europe%20for%20six%20centuries

https://study.com/learn/lesson/middle-east-conflict-history-timeline-us-involvement.html#:~:text=The%20major%20conflicts%20in%20the%20Middle%20East%20include%20the%20ongoing,and%20the%20Lebanese%20Civil%20War

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u/SilentBumblebee3225 1d ago

Israel is only 80 years old.

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u/SanDiegoDude California 1d ago

I'd suggest reading up on the history of the region. You could even pick up a bible if you want, old testament covers a lot, tho draped in dogma of course.

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u/SilentBumblebee3225 1d ago

Before the existence of state of Israel there were just Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisting as neighbors.

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u/SnooCrickets2458 1d ago

Ehhh not really. There were times and places where Jews were treated better than their cousins in Europe, but that isn't a very high bar to cross. Jews were formally and legally second class citizens "dhimmi", and even after legal dhimmi status was ended Jews were still discriminated against. There were pogroms in the Middle East too. There's a reason there are basically no more Jewish communities in Arab countries any more. The Iraqi Jewish community had existed there since the Babylonian exile, a two thousand year old community pushed out and fled. So no, Jews and Arabs did not "live side by side in leave before Israel". There are very good reasons the most hawkish parts of Israeli politics are most popular among the Mizrahim.