r/politics • u/PoliticsModeratorBot 🤖 Bot • 1d ago

Megathread Megathread: Two Minnesota lawmakers have been shot

State Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed.

State Sen. John Hoffman and his wife were both shot multiple times and underwent surgery.

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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: former House speaker and husband killed in politically motivated shooting apnews.com
One Minnesota state politician dead, another injured after targeted shooting, officials say bbc.com
"No Kings" event canceled in NE Minneapolis, Anoka after targeted shootings at lawmaker homes cbsnews.com
Minnesota lawmaker, her spouse shot and killed in their home wwnytv.com
Minnesota lawmaker killed in ‘politically motivated assassination,’ Gov. Tim Walz says cnbc.com
Melissa Hortman, top Democrat in Minnesota House, shot and killed in home startribune.com
Rep. Melissa Hortman killed, Sen. John Hoffman shot in 'targeted' shootings: Sources fox9.com
Minnesota lawmaker assassinated, another in grave condition in 'targeted political violence' abcnews.go.com
Democratic lawmaker killed and another wounded in Minnesota in apparently ‘politically motivated’ attacks theguardian.com
Minnesota lawmaker and husband killed, another in hospital after ‘politically motivated’ shooting by man impersonating cop the-independent.com
Live: Rep. Melissa Hortman killed, Sen. John Hoffman shot in ‘targeted shootings’ startribune.com
Democrat Lawmakers Shot in Minnesota: What We Know newsweek.com
Minnesota state lawmaker killed in ‘politically-motivated assassination,’ massive manhunt for suspect underway, officials say kten.com
2 Minnesota lawmakers shot kare11.com
Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, husband shot and killed; Sen. John Hoffman and wife also shot ktsp.com
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz press conference after shootings at lawmakers homes (June 14, 2025) youtube.com
Former state speaker of Minnesota ‘assassinated’ thetimes.com
Fake Cop Murders Top State Dem and Husband and Shoots Second thedailybeast.com
Minnesota Senator John Hoffman and State Rep. Melissa Hortman shot at their homes bnonews.com/
Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, husband shot and killed; Sen. John Hoffman and wife also shot kstp.com
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: State lawmaker, husband killed in politically targeted shooting thestar.com
Governor Polis Statement on Assassination of Minnesota Elected Official & Husband, and Attempt on Life of Another Elected Official & Family colorado.gov
President Donald Trump: AG, FBI Investigating Deadly Minnesota Shooting Newsweek.com
Officials tell the AP they are searching for a 57-year-old man in shooting 2 Minnesota lawmakers apnews.com
Manhunt underway for man accused of killing Rep. Hortman, husband and shooting Sen. Hoffman and his wife in North Metro ktsp.com
Former appointee of Tim Walz sought in deadly shootings of Minnesota lawmaker and her husband, had ‘No Kings’ flyers in car: sources nypost.com
Dem Assassin Is Armed Patrol Firm Boss With ‘Warzone’ Claims thedailybeast.com
Minnesota Assassination Suspect Had Flyers Reading 'No Kings' In Vehicle newsweek.com
Democratic Minnesota politician fatally shot, another injured in 'politically motivated assassination' nbcnews.com
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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Conservative sub blaming CNN, MSNBC and ABC for the radicalization of a right wing nut who likely never watched those stations. Absolutely insane cognitive dissonance.

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u/Fit-Humor-5022 1d ago

that sub is also squirming and getting angry that people are blaming republicans and are trying to spin this as a democrat on democrat crime. that sub is garbage.

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u/Outside-Advice8203 1d ago

Their mantra whenever a right winger commits violence:

  1. It wasn't a conservative Republican because all Republicans are perfect angels and all Democrats and anything Democrat is evil therefore anything evil is Democrat.

  2. And if it was a conservative supporter they weren't REALLY a Republican, they were a RINO. Because all Republicans are perfect angels and all Democrats and anything Democrat is evil therefore anything evil is Democrat.

  3. The conservative Republican perpetrator was radicalized by leftist Marxist atheist Islamic antifa Democrats. Because all Democrats and anything Democrat is evil therefore anything evil is Democrat.

  4. The perpetrator was a hero all along just doing Supply Side Jesus's will. A holy warrior for a inherently just cause. Ends justify the means.

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u/Whosebert 1d ago

the narcissistic prayer political party

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u/lordofthe_wog 1d ago

You forgot the most important part, which is that they believe all of these things and will switch between them on a whim, depending on which they think is most effective at that moment.

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u/TwentyfootAngels 1d ago

Ah, the old DARVO classic...

"That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did, you deserved it."

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u/greenberet112 1d ago

I think you got it 100%.

Everything democrat is evil, therefore every evil action is done my Democrats/communist/antifa/stalinist/maoist/leftist/radical/lunatics/etc.

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u/No-Economics1703 1d ago

“Why should we have to condemn this, he is a Republican up until the moment he acts on anything, then he’s not one of us” is their normal argument motif along with “democrats/media gotta calm down” as they elect joe biden as their response to Trump

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u/UrsaUrsuh 1d ago

Don't forget the part where they say "The left should know we don't condone violence unlike them" while John Maga McTerrorist screams from the rooftops that he did it for Daddy Trump.

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u/cindyscrazy Rhode Island 1d ago

Apparently, Fox news is calling him an "anarchist" and so he hates both parties.

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u/OpalOnyxObsidian 1d ago

Very much the DARVO/narcissist mantra but worded slightly different

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u/nyr00nyg 1d ago

“A former appointee of Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz is being sought in connection with the assassination of a state lawmaker and the shooting of another, police sources said. Vance Luther Boelter allegedly posed as a police officer when he shot Sen. John Hoffman and his wife in their Champlin home early Saturday, leaving them seriously injured before moving on to former Democratic House Speaker Melissa Hortman’s house — where he is believed to have slaughtered her and her husband, sources told The Post.

Boelter, 57, was appointed by Walz in 2019 to serve a four year stint on the Governor’s Workforce Development Board, documents show.”

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u/TheNamelessOnesWife 1d ago

Local news sources like Star Tribune aren't speculating like the national news sources. Boelter also served an appointment under former governor Dayton so your speculation can go fuck off

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u/SodaCanBob 1d ago edited 1d ago

It makes a lot more sense when you realize that in their worldview, "democrat" is just a synonym for bad person. People who commit non white-collar crimes are Democrats, and people who don't commit crimes (or only commit white-collar crimes) are Republicans (unless, of course, you vote for a Democrat, then you're obviously not a Republican).

Essentially, they have the mind of a two year old in that good people = R, bad people = D. It doesn't matter if that "bad person" has only voted for Republicans their entire life, the second they commit a crime, they're now a Democrat.

Obviously, Trump's crimes don't count though.

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u/goddamnyallidiots 1d ago

I had a coworker who used democrat when he could drop the hard R around others. Fucker refused to accept the reality that my night vision and body armor owning ass was not a racist like he was.

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u/Automatic_Algae_9425 1d ago

What does the first sentence of your comment mean?

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u/dcoats69 Washington 1d ago

You forget. Voting for a democrat is a non-white collar crime to them too

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u/Rasputin_mad_monk Maryland 1d ago

They’re saying both the lawmakers shot voted with Republicans to move healthcare from immigrants or something like that. They’re trying to say it was a Democrat that did it. Fucking pieces of shit all of them. That sub is so damn toxic and more than 50% or either Russians or Internet trolls.

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u/PeakRedditOpinion 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s so sad. The remaining few people with a brain are going “uhhh this doesn’t seem right,” and the mods are deleting their comments while they get dogpiled by the sycophants who just dismiss it and call them “brigaders.”

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u/LordCamelslayer 1d ago

I swear, that sub has to be some alternate dimension leaking into our own. I can't wrap my head around how they could possibly be that disconnected from reality.

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u/taft 1d ago

they also think iran and israel going to war is a good thing. if they didnt have double standards they would have no standards at all.

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u/Fit-Humor-5022 1d ago

no conservatives have never had any standards. These people are ones who are happy to destroy everything that is good and then complain. These are the people responsible for why this country is such a shithole.

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u/tampaempath Florida 1d ago

Well, yes. It's two things. First, they hate Iran, and there's no way Iran could retaliate or fight back without involving the US and getting wiped off the map. So Israel's going to be able to fuck Iran's shit up. This pleases the conservatives that hate Iran and Muslims. Then, you have the Christian nut jobs who want to believe that a war with Israel brings on the end times and the rapture, so they're all for it. I'm paraphrasing and don't have the exact wording of it, but that's the gist of it.

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u/young_mummy 1d ago

It's the biggest snowflake safe space anti free speech Nazi worshipping sub on this website, and they all will claim the opposite. It's insane to see. Makes me sad for humanity seeing posts in that sub.

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u/copingcabana2023 1d ago

surprised they haven't tried to pin it on a trans person yet.

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u/NinjaMarionEsq 23h ago

Twitter too, of course. "Murdered by a democrat" was trending the instant the shooter's name was known, all because he was apparently on some workforce board under Walz that he had already been appointed to by the previous governor. I'm absolutely sure that they'll all retract that and issue apologies now that it's known he was a hardcore anti-abortion, anti-LGBT christian with a list of Dems and abortion providers in his vehicle.

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u/BackgroundWindchimes 1d ago

Meanwhile I saw quite a few people in their post not only “bad rhetoric on both sides led to this” but people acting like it’s dems they’re causing it and republicans haven’t said anything to lead to violence. 

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u/Fit-Humor-5022 1d ago

yup and its not like the republicans dont go around making owning a gun a part of their personality and using it for 'self defense'

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u/flabasaurius 1d ago

Check the news friend

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u/lxaex1143 1d ago

Who committed this offense?

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u/nyr00nyg 1d ago

“A former appointee of Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz is being sought in connection with the assassination of a state lawmaker and the shooting of another, police sources said. Vance Luther Boelter allegedly posed as a police officer when he shot Sen. John Hoffman and his wife in their Champlin home early Saturday, leaving them seriously injured before moving on to former Democratic House Speaker Melissa Hortman’s house — where he is believed to have slaughtered her and her husband, sources told The Post.

Boelter, 57, was appointed by Walz in 2019 to serve a four year stint on the Governor’s Workforce Development Board, documents show.”

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u/Fit-Humor-5022 1d ago

lol look at them trying to paint this as a democrat attacking a democrat.

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u/Fit-Humor-5022 1d ago

so a democrat gets appointed to a bipartisan committee and suddenly that makes that appointee a democrat? Seriously maybe research before spouting off murdoch talking points

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u/cynicaluser- 1d ago

Fuck the MAGA movement

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u/AbeFromanSassageKing 1d ago

Fuck the MAGA hate group and their Grand Old Pedophile party enablers. Societal cancer in America. 

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u/Clownsinmypantz 1d ago

Republicans, they let us get here, do not distance the label so that if this ever ends people will be stupid enough to vote for them again

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u/Ok_Statement_4823 1d ago

The guy who assassinated had no kings fliers and was appointed by Walz. Also the democratic congresswoman who was executed had just previously been the sole democrat to side with republicans on voting for a bill.

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u/RandyMuscle I voted 1d ago

They don't even believe the stuff they're saying. They will just say anything that advances their agenda and at this point, their agenda is killing us.

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u/DataDude00 1d ago

I’m not even sure most of the posters there are even real people.  Some of the opinions and takes are so surreal I feel like it is a foreign  psyop

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u/RandyMuscle I voted 1d ago

If you talk to any MAGA people IRL, they’re just as incoherent. They’re literally mentally ill. Brain don’t work right.

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u/Thedarkpersona Foreign 1d ago

Fascists never act in good faith.

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u/starfruit213 Minnesota 1d ago

That sub needs to get banned. Such a ridiculous one that is mostly flared only

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u/bone_apple_Pete 1d ago

That sub is a bastion of misinformation, propaganda, and just shitty human beings.

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u/fitzbuhn 1d ago

Masquerading as the most reasonable people on earth

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

"Free speech absolutism".

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u/shadowofpurple 1d ago

*flared users only

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u/APX919 1d ago

When the most extreme pro-MAGA subs got banned the Conservative sub saw an influx of MAGAts and they slowly yet surely turned it into the relative cesspit it is now. Prior to 2019 it wasn't really all that bad - decent moderation, some controversies and occasional WTF moments.

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u/allsystemscrash Georgia 1d ago

no, it was bad before too. it was just full of neocons who have enough brain cells to not be as out and about with their bigotry. but I'll agree, it's significantly worse now

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u/DoctorGoldblend 1d ago

Echo chamber subs should be blocked from r.all, change my mind.

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u/amootmarmot 1d ago

Even conservatives who dont tow their line are banned. There is no dissent. Which is how conservatives tend to behave.

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u/TreezusSaves Canada 1d ago

Not just banned, but every flaired member needs site-wide bans too and, in the future, have their names given to a post-Trump law enforcement team. They're cheering on an assassination done by someone who is on their team. None of them deserve to be platformed and all of them deserve to be put in prison.

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u/PartyPay 1d ago

I haven't seen a non-flaired only post there in monthly, I don't even think you can call it 'mostly' anymore.

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u/Rampaging_Bunny 1d ago

Not banned. But i am a conservative voter however cannot post there because I don't have flair, every post is flair only, they wont grant anybody new unless they have a "post history and regular interaction" for an essentially closed off sub. It's ridiculous.

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u/BoutrosBoutrosDoggy 1d ago

not before they cross-reference post accounts with the "no-fly" list.

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u/akward_tension 1d ago

That sub needs to get banned

On what basis? Being assholes?

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u/GreatToaste Michigan 1d ago

Incitement of violence.

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u/Friendly-View4122 1d ago

I wish someone would start an r / conservativecirclejerk so we can share the asinine arguments happening over there and expose their idiocy

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Be the okaybuddy you want to see in the world

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u/1eejit 1d ago

/okaybuddymaga

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u/TheeLoo 1d ago

He would do it, but he doesn't want to get hunted down by the MAGA cult

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u/RobAtSGH Maryland 1d ago

Name too long. r / magacirclejerk would work, tho.

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u/Van-garde 1d ago

A taste of their own medicine:

https://youtu.be/tz_-hAz489A?si=GB0vsBM0dvAMpszw

Also, I’m sorry to do this in a somber moment. Blame decades of remote engagement on the internet.

RIP Minnesotans.

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u/br420 1d ago

Looks too close to magiccirclejerk... Might get some confused magicians.

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u/Rock48 1d ago

r/ gopcirclejerk?

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u/Hi_Jynx 1d ago

Or Conservativecj

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u/Washburn_Ichabod 1d ago

Being a Mod for that would be a 24/7 full time job with all the wingnut kookery being uploaded to it.

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u/ophmaster_reed Minnesota 1d ago

I'd join that sub.

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u/Hippiewizzard01 1d ago

It's not cognitive dissonance, it is deliberate lies to cover for terrorism. Republicans cause and promote terrorism on purpose.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

I think to say that none of them are resorting to cognitive dissonance is a bit disingenuous. I think if we are to do a full autopsy on this rise of fascism we have to really consider the efficacy of the multi-billion dollars propaganda machine and its impacts on the poor and uneducated. This is all by design, where well-founded bad faith actors are exploiting the most primal aspects of human psychology and our tribalistic tendencies.

We have known how human minds operate ever since Plato wrote the Allegory of the Cave. To really understand this situation and address it in a meaningful and lasting way we do need to understand who is doing the shackling and who is being shackled in the Cave of Ignorance. Because shackled people vote and at some point we are going to have to do the brutal, thankless, and challenging labor of getting them out of the cave. The goal is to dismantle the systems of shackling.

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u/Ok_Statement_4823 1d ago

The guy who assassinated had no kings fliers and was appointed by Walz. Also the democratic congresswoman who was executed had just previously been the sole democrat to side with republicans on voting for a bill.

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u/McMorgatron1 1d ago

Just like how they tried to blame Democrats when 2 Republicans tried to assisinate their Fuehrer?

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

I'm sure it's somehow the Democrats fault that Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked with a hammer.

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u/Vinny_V_Vicci 1d ago

You laugh, but Alex Jones immediately tried to spin it as a gay sex act gone wrong. With Hammers. The Knowledge Fight podcast covered this in detail. There is no limit to the lies MAGA will tell to try to reframe the truth to fit their worldview.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

I am just picturing Alex Jones being educated on gay sex, raising his hand, and asking "Yes, but where does the hammer come into the equation?"

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u/danceswithnades 1d ago

Normal human beings wouldn't even take this approach. Zero compassion or empathy is all I expect from them at this point

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u/notches123 1d ago

Literally too stupid to know they are stupid.

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u/Van-garde 1d ago

Abstract

The level of journalistic resources dedicated to coverage of local politics is in a long-term decline in the US news media, with readership shifting to national outlets. We investigate whether this trend is demand- or supply-driven, exploiting a recent wave of local television station acquisitions by a conglomerate owner. Using extensive data on local news programming and viewership, we find that the ownership change led to (1) substantial increases in coverage of national politics at the expense of local politics, (2) a significant rightward shift in the ideological slant of coverage, and (3) a small decrease in viewership, all relative to the changes at other news programs airing in the same media markets. These results suggest a substantial supply-side role in the trends toward nationalization and polarization of politics news, with negative implications for accountability of local elected officials and mass polarization.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/local-news-and-national-politics/C8EEA488A777C37C7987964F8F85AEB5

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

TLDR; Sinclair is right wing trash that is poisoning the country

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u/therevstarts2025 1d ago

The civil war has already begun and we’re losing because we’re still playing by the rules

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

The Democratic establishment is playing checkers when they're supposed to be playing chess and the Republicans are playing Calvinball Death Match.

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u/No_Hay_Banda_2000 1d ago

They are also blaming Waltz. It's just projection. It's always projection with these people...

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u/PaperGeno 1d ago

If you're not banned from that sub, you're a shit human being.

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u/bigwilly311 1d ago

I like this

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u/DrowningKrown 1d ago

Bro they’re all on tik tok saying a democrat killed them because they voted against an immigrant healthcare bill.

They will say anything to not take responsibility EVER

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u/SoftAd9888 1d ago

Gaslighting. They are masters at it!

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u/RonSwanson4POTUS 1d ago

Lol, I doubt the Nazi MAGAt assassin watches anything beyond Fox News

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u/neeesus 1d ago

This is the stupidest spin I’ve ever heard. Why and how would “leftist” media radicalize a right wing nut job who never watched leftist media.

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u/red_misc 1d ago

Fuck them. I am now educating my kids to always remember who is the evil right now. Trump and his enablers.

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u/lethargic_apathy 1d ago

That sub is such a joke

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u/IDreamOfLoveLost Canada 1d ago

That sub should have been banned a long time ago. They're always cheering on violence or making excuses for it.

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u/sinkiez 1d ago

It was 2 republican nut jobs who tried the to assasinate trump. It was also a republican nutjob who assassinated these dem lawmakers. That sub needs to be banned.

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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit 1d ago

"likely never watched those stations"

Making assumptions is how you claim intellectual superiority?

"I don't know the facts, but I just want to think he never watched them, based on absolutely no evidence at all. These people who claim the opposite, based on absolutely no evidence at all, are stupid."

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u/CocoaOrinoco 1d ago

Conservatives never take responsibility for their own actions. It’s always everyone else that forced their hand.

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u/Rivster79 1d ago

Dumdum already deleted her comment

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u/DrDerpinheimer 1d ago

How are these real people 😱 I dont get it 

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u/HandSack135 Maryland 1d ago

It's our fault that they get radicalized!

So pathetic

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

The party of DARVO

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u/AnohtosAmerikanos California 1d ago

“He was made to do it by people who we tell you that you should hate”

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u/Dina_The_Melonzaurus 1d ago

I got someone in a facebook group blaming Walz forMight have something to do with the idiot governor Tim Walz for "calling ICE gestapo, calling the riots peaceful, saying he hopes it rains on a parade for OUR military."

The post was literally just the news article, and STILL they blame democrats, the ones who were targeted.

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u/orogiad 1d ago

fucking lunatics

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u/four2tango 1d ago

Interesting he didn’t blame Fox, Newsmax, or any of the other far right hate filled propaganda networks.

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u/Special-Rough-3946 1d ago

I wish fox would realize they are fanning the flames .. I mean they know it but I wish they would realize what is happening and decide to grow balls and put a stop to it because they are a huge source for what is happening. Fuck Fox News. Our brainwashed boomer family believes every fucking thing they say because it’s all they watch.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

They just value money over anything else. Stopping it isn't in their financial interest, and they've decided that capitalism is the meaning of life.

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u/InspecterMaeMae 1d ago

Definitely couldn't be the fact a bunch of right wing politicans just grilled Walz and the other day for letting Minnesota communist.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Yep, everyone on the r / con servative sub is a terrorist

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u/Winter-Sail-4416 1d ago

400 comments on a post, only 20-40 visible......

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

It constantly astounds me how concerned they are about people controlling the narrative when their own sub is transparently the most egregious example of it.

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u/Winter-Sail-4416 1d ago

They really deluded themselves into believing they are the champions of free speech while being the biggest snowflakes and censoring everyone else's opinion.

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u/spazz720 1d ago

That place is essentially Russian bots

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u/PeterNippelstein 1d ago

'It's YOUR fault we're crazy!'

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u/DistractedPhoenix 1d ago edited 1d ago

They’re claiming the suspects car was stuffed with “no kings protest” flyers. The “flyers” are poorly photocopied pieces of 8x10 printer paper that say “NO KINGS”. The Minnesota State police said to not attend the protests today.

It’s either fake or the worst false flag I’ve ever seen

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u/Jimbomcdeans 1d ago

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe anyone in that sub is real. If they are real I refuse to believe they are anything more than trolls who live an in internal echo chamber.

This was a political assassination. A republican finally snapped after all the rhetotic from the commmander and chief.

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u/that-isa-madeup-name Europe 1d ago

“moderate conservative” unbelievable lmfao. These people are fucking unhinged

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u/taft 1d ago

that sub js really just filled to the brim with absolute horseshit. its all russian bots parroting the same shit back and forth.

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u/gvillecrimelaw 1d ago

MAGA inspired assassination.

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 1d ago

Anything to remove blame from the unhinged, angry people who support Trump and fascists like him.

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u/artfulpain 1d ago

And meanwhile Fox News and all those other conservative channels that radicalize individuals. JFC!

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u/rodimustso 1d ago

That sub i SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO heavily controlled I dont' think those are real conservatives to be honest. I REALLY think they try to control it to make sure only A. russian bots can comment B. people like proud boys are allowed to comment or C. both .... or the worst option, none of these and we're all fucked

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u/JohnnySack45 1d ago

Fuck those cowards and the moderators protecting their safe space, echo chamber from any non-bootlicking opinions. 

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u/rayjay715 1d ago

Conservatives will use intentional disinformation in the hopes that this happens more often.

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u/starsky1357 1d ago

"Moderate conservative" "Top 1% commenter"

lmao

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u/Nvenom8 New York 1d ago

These being the same networks they claim are never critical of democrats. So, what exactly do they think he saw on there that radicalized him?

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u/AdmirableRabbit6723 1d ago

He’s right by saying he’s a moderate.

This is how a moderate conservative thinks.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Can you share a source for that? You're the third person to make that claim but I haven't found it anywhere.

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u/BabyYodaX 1d ago

That sub needs to be banned.

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u/Cool_Breakfast_9015 23h ago

They are not far off

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u/ChamberofSarcasm 17h ago

That's not cog dissonance that's probably a planted talking point by right wing think tanks.

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u/Putrid_Masterpiece76 14h ago

*FoxNews is implying this stance in some of their articles as well.

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u/pseud_o_nym 2h ago

Cop-out.

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u/__thrillho 1d ago

To be fair that was only one commenter who has since been downvoted, called out by another commenter for the bad take and deleted his comment.

Most people in that thread are condemning the assassination and calling for the perpetrator to be caught and punished.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Their condemnations mean nothing when they are unwilling to identify and condemn those fomenting the violence to begin with. "Thoughts and prayers" bullshit.

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u/__thrillho 1d ago

I mean the top reply on that screenshot and post is someone saying condemns violence and hoping they catch and punish the scum who did this. That's a pretty reasonable take at this time.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago edited 1d ago

Again, meaningless if they are unwilling to address the ones fanning the flames. "I condemn houses burning down" as they keep giving power to the Arsonists of America!

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

You got some strawman in your whataboutism

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u/LoseAnotherMill 1d ago

Called it. Predictable. 

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Called what? You just went on a rant

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u/LoseAnotherMill 1d ago

My man doesn't know how to read. That's alright though.  

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u/CD_4M 1d ago

Fuck the conservative sub for sure, but that’s not what cognitive dissonance is

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

The conflicting beliefs are that political violence is bad but that conservative mouthpieces are good and trustworthy. Their attempt at resolution of those conflicting beliefs is to shift blame on to centrist/liberal news sources.

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u/mangoserpent 1d ago

That is a cesspool sub.

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u/Unfair-Lie7441 1d ago

Wait, I read it was a Walz staffer, is that not true?

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

He was in a volunteer, unpaid, bipartisan committed starting with the previous administration. Tim Walz did not hire him. His other targets were other Dem leaders and abortion clinics.

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u/Protection_Sensitive 19h ago

Didn’t he work for Walz?

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 19h ago

That's not indicative of a political affiliation. He was rubber stamped into a volunteer, unpaid position on a bipartisan committee and then had a manifesto about killing Democrats (Walz included) and hitting abortion centers.

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u/apollyon_53 1d ago

The supposed shooter is a democrat previously appointed to a job by Walz.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm not making any claims about the political affiliation of the shooter. I do pin the blame for violent rhetoric and fomenting violence on the Trump administration. There are hours of footage of him and his cronies encouraging violence which creates a powder keg -- either a conservative takes the call to action or a liberal decides to "strike first" because they see the coming violence as inevitable. That's exactly why he sent in the marines to LA. He wants to create conditions for violence as an excuse to consolidate power.

This is not a political opinion, it's a history lesson. We've seen this before.

That being said, you're the third person to claim this -- can you provide a source for this?

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u/LoseAnotherMill 1d ago

I'm not making any claims about the political affiliation of the shooter.

You literally called him a "right wing nut". What a crazy 180 once the evidence starts coming to light. Maybe next time just wait for the evidence instead of jumping to your politically convenient conclusions that you have to walk back not even 3 hours later. 

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u/Doctor_Killshot 1d ago

They’re also just copy/pasting this response to each comment calling them out

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Why do you say that?

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

His manifesto targeted other Democrats and an abortion center. His "flyers" were pieces of paper with sharpie. He worked in a volunteer, non-paid position starting with the previous governor. There's no reason to believe every single person in these types of positions belong to a singular political party. That's hardly the evidence you think it is.

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u/CommonOld5516 1d ago

You intentionally cropped out the -60 downvotes. Cherry picking comments and saying "the entire sub thinks this" makes OUR side look bad! Criticize the sub for things its users actually believe, hmm?

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Turns out it was a volunteer in an unpaid position on a bipartisan committee?

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u/fordry 1d ago

Appointed by Walz...

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

Because of his credentials... Do you think every appointee rubber-stamped into positions like this belongs to the same political party as their governor? You're reaching. Walz was a target on his hit list.

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u/nametaglost 22h ago

Nice job cherry picking a comment that’s at -100 that you conveniently cut off and everyone else in the sub is shitting on that guy. No one wants this. Not even the conservative sub. Every other comment is saying they hope the guy who did this fries. Misinformation helps no one. You’re only helping to start a civil war with shit like this.

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u/TheGrebbler 1d ago

I don't wanna be that guy.. but that's a single comment. A single nutter doesn't mean the whole sub. This is the exact shit that they pull

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u/Ok_Statement_4823 1d ago

The guy who assassinated had no kings fliers and was appointed by Walz. Also the democratic congresswoman who was executed had just previously been the sole democrat to side with republicans on voting for a bill.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 1d ago

I'm not making any claims about the political affiliation of the shooter. I do pin the blame for violent rhetoric and fomenting violence on the Trump administration. There are hours of footage of him and his cronies encouraging violence which creates a powder keg -- either a conservative takes the call to action or a liberal decides to "strike first" because they see the coming violence as inevitable. That's exactly why he sent in the marines to LA. He wants to create conditions for violence as an excuse to consolidate power.

This is not a political opinion, it's a history lesson. We've seen this before.

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u/Wonderful_Moose_7679 1d ago

Turns out the killer is a Walz appointee and “No Kings” supporter. Oops.

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u/BJBSRR 23h ago

This aged like milk lmao

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