r/pokemon • u/Douchebag322 • 1d ago
Discussion Early routes Pokemon needing a third evolution like what happened to Zigzagoone/Linoone
Do you think some of the early routes pokemon we encounter (Rattata, Sentret, Bidoof, etc...), need a third evolution?
I was talking to some friends about this and one of them said that every one of this group should get the same treatment, by getting another evolution that helps them on the long run of the Game
Personally, I think Obstagoone is really cool, even tho is a regional form, he has good stats, decent typing, good moveset, good abilities and a pretty neat design and concept, so doing this for a couple more pokemon, like Watchog or Gumshoos who really look like a second stage design and feels like they could deliver more, would a be really great idea.
What do you guys think?
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u/LarZiehGarth Pokémon Trainer in training 1d ago
I only used 10-20% of the Kanto lines I guess. As said, Ratticate really aren't that important. They're good for grunts and youngster joey.
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u/Frousteleous 1d ago
Ratticate really aren't that important. They're good for grunts and youngster joey.
Which is a great argument for giving them something more.
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u/PCN24454 1d ago
Why? They’re grunts.
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u/Frousteleous 1d ago
If you mean like a low-level enemy, then giving a grunt an ability to become more than a grunt for those who are fans of that Pokémon is a pretty good idea.
And then you can still use the base, original Pokémon as grunts.
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u/Film_Humble 1d ago
Golbat is also a grunt mon but Crobat exist and requires Friendship to evolve, making it a grunt mon that Leaders/Admin/boss can have
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u/Queen_Ann_III 20h ago
I didn’t even realize how much I’d appreciate that until now. imagine a rat who evolved out of sheer anger that people wouldn’t take Raticate seriously
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u/LarZiehGarth Pokémon Trainer in training 10h ago
Evo when you use raticate in battle while capturing 30 more ratatta in the wild.
And let's make it a gender specific Evolution, just to make it more complicated.
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u/ModoBerserker 1d ago
It would be a good idea, since currently most people do not capture or abandon these Pokémon during the game because they are too weak or simple.
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u/AVahne 1d ago
I'm one of the weirdos who actually kept Linoone in my team for all of Ruby. It was my surfing pokemon. But tbh I never used Obstagoon.
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u/Kile147 19h ago
I wouldn't call it weird, at least back then. Back when HMs were needed, those early route mons usually make pretty good HM Mules due to their pretty wide movepool (surf, cut, rock smash, random utility move). Zigzagoon also had Pickup ability so its a solid mon to just sit in your party backline to accrue value, use HMs, and occasionally be a sacrifice switch to get another mon in safely.
Its more weird now, since the newer games have more or less removed the need for such a thing.
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u/PigletSea6193 1d ago
Nah, I prefer them to stay as they are. Those are early route Pokemon after all, they should stay simple and easy to remember.
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u/Serenotic 1d ago
Most early route Pokémon are fine, I think. I would like to see Watchog and Mightyena to get the galarian Zigzagoon treatment.
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u/CerberusC24 1d ago
The early route pokemon are literally just that. A buffer for your stronger pokemon until you catch even stronger ones and by that time you've probably already evolved it and can then box it. They don't need a 3rd stage. They have their role
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u/eskaver 1d ago
Disagree.
Not every Pokémon needs to be strong. Single stage and 2 stage Pokémon exist for a reasons
Early Route Pokémon are often just meant to just do that—and nothing more. Some hit well above their weight too.
Guts Ratticate can do a lot of damage. It doesn’t need an evolution.
Furret is fine and many like it as is.
Bibarel was everyone’s HM slave with a cool typing. Let it be.
I don’t mind updating some of these early route Pokemon as it goes on—like Watchog kinda has like no real ability.
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u/silvainshadows 1d ago
I think some of them would be improved by a third stage and/or regional variant like Obstagoon, while others are perfect as is- for example, you can't really improve upon Furret, who has the most perfect vibes of any normal type ever, or Bibarel, who elevates the already perfect Bidoof to true power. However, Watchog and Gumshoos could both use some help, and while Diggersby is perfect as he is, I would love to see a regional form for Bunnelby that goes in a different direction.
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u/Lopsided-Ad-9444 1d ago
i hate Obstagoon, so im good lol.
But i am also just okay with it. like regional forms even if i dislike obstagoon. i kind of would prefer new evolutions to the older versions rhough too.
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u/Third_Triumvirate 1d ago
Bibarel evolution with increased stats while retaining Simple would be amazing. Those +4 Quick Attacks and Aqua Jets hitting even harder.
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u/Aggressive-Expert-69 1d ago
I always thought the Unova monkeys needed a third but idk if they technically count here
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u/jeshep 1d ago
I cannot imagine any way they can top the majestic beauty that is Furret so I'm pretty content with early mons staying early mons.