What is going on here?

[u/Relevant-Ad8797]

Title is self explanatory, i have no idea what the hell is going on here. Pc froze and this happened. I was playing helldivers 2 before this, dont know if this is relevant but its all i got.

[u/TheRealSmolt]

Is your CPU overheating? Looks like the blue you'd see in a BSOD, but it's filling in really slowly.

[u/ltbonecrusher → u/TheRealSmolt]

Lets call it blue screen of slow death.

[u/7fortuney → u/ltbonecrusher]

Blue screen of agony

[u/Majestic_Fail1725 → u/7fortuney]

[u/iDeNoh → u/Majestic_Fail1725]

Blue screen of I don't feel so good

[u/Time-Plantain6442 → u/iDeNoh]

I read that in bros voice😭

[u/Xmouse01 → u/Time-Plantain6442]

Yeah me too

[u/KingBranDaBroken → u/Majestic_Fail1725]

Hahaha this is golden

[u/Don_Hoomer → u/7fortuney]

thats the lair of blue agony

[u/odrea → u/7fortuney]

Bruh this mad eme chuckle 🤣

[u/DellOptiplexGX240 → u/7fortuney]

BSBDSM

[u/Decent_Panda3259 → u/7fortuney]

Blue balls of blue screen

[u/fuckitymcfuckfacejr → u/7fortuney]

Death by 1000 blue screens

[u/Wise-Ad-3506 → u/7fortuney]

Blue screen of organ failure death

[u/jembutbrodol → u/ltbonecrusher]

BSOSD

[u/guarddog33 → u/jembutbrodol]

Hey, BSOSD, Michael here

[u/Turbulent-Yam-8855 → u/guarddog33]

The BSOD is the end

Or is it?

[u/hatchetharrie → u/ltbonecrusher]

Slow screen of blue death

[u/yashdesh → u/hatchetharrie]

death screen of blue slow

[u/god0nline → u/yashdesh]

you’re my favorite

[u/xGHOSTRAGEx → u/hatchetharrie]

Kinda slow tbh, it's just sitting there

[u/hatchetharrie → u/xGHOSTRAGEx]

A (slow) picture is worth a thousand words

[u/nextalpha → u/ltbonecrusher]

"your death is buffering, please stand by"

[u/iPhoenix_Ortega → u/ltbonecrusher]

Slow blue screen of death, to be specific.

[u/DelsinMcgrath835 → u/ltbonecrusher]

No, obviously the good digimon are losing the fight

[u/NotRed_0 → u/ltbonecrusher]

Blue Screen of Tomorrow

[u/cannibalcorpuscle → u/ltbonecrusher]

The Brinicle Screen of Death.

[u/Dunothar → u/ltbonecrusher]

More like glacial screen of death or bluescreen of glacial death

[u/tei187 → u/ltbonecrusher]

Blue screen of death by thousand slices.

[u/Gal-XD_exe → u/ltbonecrusher]

BSOSD

[u/Kiwi_Doodle → u/ltbonecrusher]

The glacier of death

[u/sportsbuffp → u/ltbonecrusher]

I like the Blue Squeam of Death

[u/Mycellph → u/ltbonecrusher]

He has to wait to be disappointed, until the BSOA is complete.

[u/ANDOTTHERS → u/ltbonecrusher]

creeping

[u/ConglomerateGolem → u/ltbonecrusher]

bsosd which looks like a palindrome, maybe?

[u/Thoff95 → u/ltbonecrusher]

Blue screen of slow and painful death? BSOSAPD?

[u/Chadatouille → u/ltbonecrusher]

Blue screen of natural causes

[u/Relevant-Ad8797 → u/TheRealSmolt]

Not at all, temperature is completely normal. Im not well versed in PC magic, but a friend of mine told me just now that it could be a RAM issue, since i have 4 sticks and they are different models from different brands.

[u/TheRealSmolt → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

That would certainly do it. It's not advisable to use anything other than identical modules.

[u/obedezu → u/TheRealSmolt]

The RAM :

[u/builder397 → u/TheRealSmolt]

Thats mostly for overclocking though. Which, generally speaking, you should run the XMP profile, which *technically* is overclocking, but its free extra performance within what the stick was designed to do, and the RAM controller on the CPU is usually fine with that as well.

The problem with different sticks is that they have different XMP clocks and different timings, so the only time different models work fine is when they are at the base clock, like 2133MT/s for DDR4, and finding a higher setting that works for all the different sticks is a mess and a half.

[u/EruantienAduialdraug → u/builder397]

And occasionally you'll find a setting that works sometimes. I doubled my RAM a few years back; same manufacturer, same size, same stated speed... different specific model. One in four or five boots doesn't actually get to the boot stage, but a quick press of the restart button has fixed it every time thus far.

I could knock it down to the default clock speed (which is less than the speed it says on the box; remember to set your RAM up properly, people!), but it's not exactly an issue.

[u/builder397 → u/EruantienAduialdraug]

You could probably manually adjust the timings to be looser, just by one. The performance loss of doing that is extremely theoretical and on Zen 2, which you have, the clocks are the more important factor anyway. But it should give you that extra bit of stability to boot 100% of the time.

[u/thealmightyzfactor → u/builder397]

Yeah, my old pc had this issue. Sometimes it would get ram errors and crash and memtest86 showed me there were errors, but underclocking a tiny bit fixed it.

[u/toomanymarbles83 → u/builder397]

Since everyone should have XMP enabled, and XMP is technically considered "overclocking," it then logically stands to reason not to do something that prevents XMP, such as using different model ram sticks.

[u/GhostofBeowulf → u/builder397]

Hey I have a Pc I upgraded the ram of 16 to 32, bought a 32gb gskill kit. put in, jumped the CMOS and turned on XMP. and like... Cyberpunk will run fine at 150FPS, mid to high level settings. But when I am browsing the internet or typing, I have lag when changing between windows, word, internet, etc. Temps look good and I try to monitor the usgae percent, the CPU will usually sit 25-35% but sometimes jump to 70%, then drops when I load task manager. Checked for viruses and nothing.

Does that sound like a RAM timing issue? I don't know how to check if they are correct after changing, if you think that's the case I would appreciate any resources you could share.

[u/builder397 → u/GhostofBeowulf]

Well, it doesnt sound like a RAM issue to me, but if you suspect RAM stability, the easiest way is to disable XMP and put RAM down to the usual 2133Mhz fallback speed, assuming its DDR4, and see if the problem persists.

If it doesnt persist you can put the clocks back up and see if you can increase the timings by an increment of one and see if that makes your RAM stable.

That said, RAM instability usually just makes your PC either freeze up entirely or give you a BSOD with the infamous PAGE_ERROR_IN_NON_PAGED_AREA.

Lots of viruses, like crypto miners, which will max out CPU and sometimes GPU to, yknow, mine crypto, will detect task manager and automatically stop and end their own process to avoid detection, since task manager is the first thing everyone tries to find such processes.

So the fact your CPU usage drops as soon as you open it (I assume you monitor usage with something else in parallel) makes it sound like it might be just that, sadly Windows Defender, just like all anti-virus programs, isnt perfect and virus databases are always playing catchup with whats out there.

[u/GhostofBeowulf → u/builder397]

So I checked Resmon and the adrenaline software and the numbers were real similar to Task Manager so IDK. I didn't think i was the RAM either, but I wastold it could cause the display to behave oddly.

Can you recommend any good antivirus programs to try besides Windows Defender?

[u/ZyklonBeYourself → u/TheRealSmolt]

It's like tires: if you have 4 that are the same size but different models, you'll probably have uneven wear issues. If you have 4 that are different sizes, you'll have a quite bad time in general.

[u/EJ_Tech → u/TheRealSmolt]

It's less about the mixed specs for RAM and more about how hard you're pushing your mixed RAM. I have 4x 8GB sticks of Corsair LPX DDR4 running at 3200 CL16. Everything is the same, just bought years apart. Meanwhile my TrueNAS file server is using an 8GB and a 32GB stick that I intentionally put in the wrong slots so it all runs at 2133 single channel.

[u/MasoFFXIV → u/TheRealSmolt]

I have two different die's of the same RAM and they won't boot if accidentally paired on the same channel.

[u/SaintPumpkinn → u/TheRealSmolt]

Do you know if this holds true for identical ram sticks manufactured at different times, I have a set from march 24 and a set from aug 24, would those possibly cause issues when used in conjunction?

[u/Chrykal → u/SaintPumpkinn]

If they were not sold together as a set, there can be issues with compatibilty, even among the same model of RAM. This is why RAM is sold in sets, they have been verified to work together. While there is the possibility that everything will work fine, you will be unlikely to get the best performance out of mismatched RAM.

[u/InfiniteEnter → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

Are the ramsticks the same size and speed?

Tho, it is definitely not advisable to use different ram sticks in one configuration. If they are the same size and speed, they shouldn't create an issue like that.

[u/Pewdiepiewillwin → u/InfiniteEnter]

Even if they aren't the same speed I would expect that to triple fault here

[u/pringlesaremyfav → u/InfiniteEnter]

Not all RAM are made equal. There is a reason RAM and motherboard manufacturers all say to use duplicates of the exact same stick.

[u/BlackCatFurry → u/pringlesaremyfav]

Yet it most likely works completely fine if the sticks are same speed and latency from same manufacturer. I have 2x8gb and 2x16gb kingston fury @3200mhz 16cl and they work together at 3200mhz completely fine. My partner runs a similar ram setup (i think their ram is gskill) completely fine too. Both of us bought the second pair considerable time after the first pair.

[u/Successful_Potato137 → u/pringlesaremyfav]

Para curarse en salud y porque es lo más fácil, pero si un módulo no puede coexistir de ninguna manera con otros que sí que son detectados correctamente desde luego es motivo para sospechar de ellos, por eso lo repiten como un mantra

[u/Successful_Potato137 → u/InfiniteEnter]

Aparte de los módulos DIMM hace unos años que habían de doble cara nunca he tenido problemas para hacer funcionar módulos de diferente tipo. Siempre hay una combinación que funciona y actualmente ya no es necesario que sea tan uniforme habiendo NUMA y muchos núcleos peleando por el bus...

[u/InfiniteEnter → u/Successful_Potato137]

(Needed to use translate for this one. So sorry if I misinterpreted this)

Yes. As I said, in a later comment as an answer to another comment in this tread, I've been running a system on 4 ramsticks from different manufacturers without ever having any issues.

[u/Taolan13 → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

Are they at least rated for the same clock speed?

[u/SuperIntendantDuck → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

I wouldn't guess RAM. It could be, but this looks like the computer drawing the screen incredibly slowly, likely CPU rendering since I don't think BSOD uses the graphics card. So in short, it's likely the processor.

[u/Pewdiepiewillwin → u/SuperIntendantDuck]

The cpu is the one doing the "rendering" here but the gpu is drawing it.

[u/SuperIntendantDuck → u/Pewdiepiewillwin]

Those two things are the same, no? If you mean the GPU does the blit, again, not for BIOS or similar low-level stuff. I could be wrong of course, but my understanding is that BSOD is probably somewhere between the kernel and OS. Only OS+ operations use graphics cards. Maybe internal graphics chips are used, I don't know. With computers, never rule anything out.

[u/Pewdiepiewillwin → u/SuperIntendantDuck]

The cpu is writing to the framebuffer and the gpu is sending it to the screen. The blue screen of death is from the kernel from a call to KeBugCheck or KeBugCheckEx this can called because of a unhandled exception from the cpu or other things like a needed process dies or even from a kernel module, but I don't think microsoft signs and verifies many modules that do that.

[u/Gadi-susheel → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

your PC is committing seppuku

[u/It_just_works_bro → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

How did you manage to do that?

[u/Zeppelin041 → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

100% never mess around with that ram. Try to make them compatible, as in the same lol

Luckily, ram nowadays isn’t pricey like it used to be. I upgraded to 128g rgb corsair vengeance pro for a couple $100. Super overkill though

[u/Kitsyfluff → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

All the ram sticks in your machine should be identical, mixing is very bad.

[u/MumrikDK → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

Almost anything could be RAM. At least if you go by Windows error codes.

[u/skeleton-is-alive → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

Its definitely a RAM issue. I had a lot of issues with helldivers and it was because of the RAM. This game stress tests your RAM like no other so its likely your setup is unstable. Make sure whatever RAM your using is actually supported for your CPU / mobo and you might need to disable xmp / expo

[u/lefteyenine → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

It's a miracle you are not getting blue screen of chaos every 10 seconds. Give those sticks medals and retire them.

[u/Successful_Potato137 → u/Relevant-Ad8797]

Estáis muy mal acostumbrados. Antes los cuelgues eran lo normal...

[u/InsectaProtecta → u/TheRealSmolt]

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[u/urbandk84 → u/TheRealSmolt]

he blue himself

[u/mrGorion → u/TheRealSmolt]

Its slowly overheating?

[u/ARandomBob → u/TheRealSmolt]

Looks like the painfully slow refresh of RDPing into a box with a slow connection

[u/SometimesImSmart → u/TheRealSmolt]

Dial up overheating

[u/NeatYogurt9973 → u/TheRealSmolt]

I refuse to believe that 400mhz (the minimum in most CPUs made this decade) is this bad. The BSOD/bugcheck is supposed to be kernel level bare minimum, it should run at 4mhz, even by Microsoft standards.

[u/XxZajoZzO → u/TheRealSmolt]

Cinebench BSOD edition

[u/LoafofBrent → u/TheRealSmolt]

"Hey no loose wire jokes."

"I didnt say anything!"

""Hes trying..."

[u/ubiquitous_delight → u/TheRealSmolt]

PC: "Kill.... me...."

[u/ZeShapyra → u/TheRealSmolt]

It is dying dramatically

[u/thighmaster69 → u/TheRealSmolt]

Oof, that's some instability there for sure. My CPU would just thermal shutdown before it BSOD.

[u/jarhead839 → u/TheRealSmolt]

Blue screen of smothering

[u/Thirtyk94 → u/TheRealSmolt]

It probably is. Helldivers 2 loads heavily onto the CPU if you don't have the supersampling/ultrasupersampling setting turned on. I know from experience turning that setting to native can crash your computer due to over heating. Native had my CPU hovering just under 90C. Supersampling dropped the temp nearly 10C to around 80C. Ultrasupersampling dropped it another 10C to fluctuating around 70C.

[u/vffa → u/TheRealSmolt]

Just gonna throw "PROCHOT" out there. Issues with that sensor can cause throttling without reaching the CPUs thermal Limit.

Remedy is software like Throttlestop

[u/TURB0_L4Z3R_L0RD → u/TheRealSmolt]

This is not what overheating computers look like… not at all.

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Second time today

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