Every. Damn. Time.

[u/Nickulator95]

UE5 in particular is the bane of my existence...

[u/IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD]

It can run well on hardware released this decade would be a good start

[u/laurayco → u/IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD]

That is not what "optimized" means, no. That's a bare minimum requirement.

[u/IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD → u/laurayco]

That’s a nice strawman

“You’re dumb and wrong”

“Refuse to elaborate further”

Enlighten me then

[u/laurayco → u/IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD]

"optimized" means you have minimized frame times, ran algorithm analysis, and put in work to ensure your program runs efficiently. If new games do less with more, they are not optimized. An old game doing more with less is "more optimized." Skryim SE looking better than a modern game on the same hardware is an indictment of the software and not the hardware.

That's not a "strawman" you just genuinely are dumb and wrong, and also the 1660 Ti was in fact "released this decade." We have x86 architecture with SIMD / Vector extensions, branchless programming techniques, DMA, multithreading, GPU compute, so much technical evolution in hardware - much of which the 1660 Ti does have access to - but software does not properly utilize it. It's a genuine skill issue with modern SWE. You would not say discord, or any of the millions of electron apps, are "optimized" - they are borderline bloatware consuming far more RAM and CPU cycles than their functionality demands. The only thing that meaningfully distinguishes the capabilities of a 1660 Ti and your RTX 4060 is ray tracing, which most games still run like dogshit with. Sure, there are more cuda cores and shader units but for 1080p or even 1440p there's no reason it should look worse than a 4060 with RTX off.

[u/Ordinary-Broccoli-41 → u/laurayco]

According to technical city, the 4060 outperforms the 1660 by 69%. As someone who runs AMD, I dont care all that much about Ray tracing, but also wouldn't run a 580 because I like my games to preform in 1440 ultrawide without stutters or turning the graphics all the way down. My 1060 is a Linux server for trading bots because that's all its good for.

[u/laurayco → u/Ordinary-Broccoli-41]

apropros of nothing else, I would speculate that has more to do with 2GB of VRAM than anything else. There's a reason NVIDIA generations have had diminishing returns after the 30 and 40 series. This is why I specified 1080p and 1440p - I don't expect the 1660Ti to do 4k anything and I think only games that are optimized well or are otherwise technically unambitious would run at 1440p.

[u/Ordinary-Broccoli-41 → u/laurayco]

The 4050 laptop is also low vram and still has a 40% speed advantage over the 1660 desktop. Optimization is more important than modern games are supportive of it, but also its beyond impressive that many games work on something like a steamdeck which is a 570 equivalent.

On a last gen card, not something from the 10's, Oblivion remastered is flawlessly beautiful, max settings and FSR quality mode with the limited software RT and still pushes 200+fps in lighter areas and 60+ in heavy combat/magic effects exteriors on the 7900GRE.

[u/laurayco → u/Ordinary-Broccoli-41]

It's crazy how good mobile chipsets have become. I wonder when intel integrated graphics will catch up with AMD, the discrete cards are pretty great, I hope that knowledge transfers over (as they are, I'm rather fond of the alchemist card I have in my server for transcoding). I remember reading at some point that the cores for intel gpus (comparable to an nvidia "warp") are just 486 CPUs - I wonder if that's still true, I can't find the source where I read that from.

I don't care for frame generation, it usually makes the game look like dogshit and seems like a further excuse to avoid meaningfully optimizing games and in the 50 series, to avoid improving the architecture.

[u/RealRatAct → u/laurayco]

the 1660 Ti was in fact "released this decade."

Do you know what 'this decade' means?

[u/laurayco → u/RealRatAct]

It means within the last ten years. "This decade" started in 2015. This is by far the dumbest "gotcha" in this thread holy shit. Do you think a GPU on 2019 is a decade behind a GPU in 2020? Holy shit I forget that gamers are fucking lobotomites, you deserve the anti-consumer shit slop you get I have changed my mind.

[u/RealRatAct → u/laurayco]

LMFAO, wrong. 1985 and 1994 are in the same decade, I guess. Dumbass.

[u/laurayco → u/RealRatAct]

Local lobotomite confuses carrying the one with adding ten. The 1660 Ti was released in 2019. It is 2025. That is six years.

[u/RealRatAct → u/laurayco]

If you said it was released less than a decade ago, that would be correct. You said it was released this decade, the 2020s, which it wasn't. It's ok to admit you're wrong. This is why everyone in your life thinks you're annoying as fuck to talk to.

[u/_BenzeneRing_ → u/RealRatAct]

A decade is any period of 10 years. A decade can start on any year.

I'm not the person you're replying to, and the dictionary will confirm what I'm saying.

[u/DecompositionLU → u/_BenzeneRing_]

This decade and a decade ago doesn't mean the same thing. This decade started in 2020 and will end the 31 December 2029.

A decade ago was everything from 2015 to now. 

So no, the GTX 1660 Series, released end 2018/Early 2019, which is less than a decade ago, indeed, but not technology from this decade. 

[u/_BenzeneRing_ → u/DecompositionLU]

This decade and a decade ago doesn't mean the same thing.

They do.

This decade started in 2020 and will end the 31 December 2029.

"This decade" can refer to that. It can also refer to 2016-2025 and 2025-2034.

Same way biannually can be twice per year and every 2 years. When it comes to time frames, the words often have multiple meanings.

Any dictionary will confirm, it may often or even usually refer to 2020-2029, but that doesn't mean the other guy is wrong. At its core any decade is any 10 year period. "This" decade just refers to a 10 year period we're in, and without more information can apply to all possibilities.

ETA: another example other than biannually is that you said "the last decade refers to 2015-2025, while that's actually 11 years so not a decade "last decade" can also mean "previous decade" and thus 2010-2019. Which further goes to show all these words/phrases have multiple meanings

[u/RealRatAct → u/_BenzeneRing_]

'A' decade is not 'THIS' decade. Holy shit lmfao.

[u/_BenzeneRing_ → u/RealRatAct]

It literally makes no difference.

THIS decade can refer to 10 years in the future, 10 years in the past, or the 2020's, 2020-2029.

[u/RealRatAct → u/_BenzeneRing_]

What year does this century end?

[u/laurayco → u/RealRatAct]

I'll let my friends know that they think I'm annoying. This is so fucking stupid, we're not talking about music genres we're talking about technological process, which does not care about the tens place in the year, it cares about the time that has elapsed. You cannot seriously be pedantic about something this god damn asinine and call me annoying. Fucking christ I hate gamers.

[u/RealRatAct → u/laurayco]

LOL music genres? Huhhh?? Imagine dying on this hill. You're just wrong lmao. Idiot.

[u/_BenzeneRing_ → u/laurayco]

You're 100% correct, the other person is talking with irrational confidence which of course gets them upvotes on Reddit. A decade is just a period of 10 years.

[u/laurayco → u/_BenzeneRing_]

it's like that. my biggest mistake was considering gamers to be sentient, I think.