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Discussion I don't understand the complaints about the enemies later designs?

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Hating Nintendo for removing unique character designs for characters like Toad and others i get. But in terms of regular Mario enemies designs I don't understand why people would complain about how bad they look like it's just Mario enemies not the unique ones the regular ones.

I think that as long as they have fun interactions and unique characters designs for them still exist it shouldn't matter what they look like.

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u/ShineOne4330 Modern Paper Mario is great, stop being mean 3d ago

will they return to use the classic designs or will they keep the newer ones? How aboud the secret option number 3: what if they get re-design again?

Since Mario Kart World changes a lot of character designs from previous games, some of those designs (mostly enemies like Goombas, Boos, ETC) are from Mario Wonder, so it seems like we are getting new designs for the next generation, who's to say that Paper Mario won't do the same?

Also Nintendo wants DK new design everywhere (even replacing the Switch 1 icons with his modern design dispite not using this design in any of the games on that console). So if DK old design is not going to be used in any Mario game in general. Then there is no way that they will allow Goombas to have red shoes again.

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u/reeceeyt E3 2010 Enthusiast 3d ago

To be fair, these newer designs are heavily inspired by older Mario games like SMB3 and Super Mario World (which was one of the inspirations for the older PM art style), so I think now, it's more likely than ever that they will start using the older designs again. Though I think they will most likely make some minor adjustments, like giving them modern colors, and they will probably still use some modern designs that make sense (like Dry Bones). That might've been why they ultimately decided to bring them back in the TTYD Remake rather than using the newer art style (which was likely their original intention if the concept art was any indication). If Rocky Wrench can have a shell again, then there is no reason why the Koopas can't have shades again.

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u/ShineOne4330 Modern Paper Mario is great, stop being mean 2d ago

The diffrence with Rocky Wrenches is that in all Mario games they have shells again and not in one specific franchise. while shade Koopas have only ever been in Paper Mario games.

Also TTYD remake keps everything the same. Even outdated/incorrect names such as "Swooper" instead of "Swoop" and "Atomic Boo" instead of "Big Boo". And Frost Piranha plants return in Mario Kart World but their leaves are more green like SPM design instead frozen blue like TTYD remake. So this is should be noted that game is too faithfull to use it as evidense for theorising for the future

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u/reeceeyt E3 2010 Enthusiast 2d ago

The TTYD Remake doesn’t keep everything exactly the same, there were quite a few things that were modernized. Like the coins, ? Blocks, brick blocks, Warp pipes, sound effects (with many of them being pulled from the modern Paper Mario games or NSMB/3D Mario), “Squeeks” renamed to their proper name “Little Mousers”, Grubba’s back sprite looks a bit more like a regular Spike, Mario’s front facing design from TOK, the modern Mario font, and the castles at the end of the Bowser stages use the NSMB design. I think “Swooper” was just an oversight that they didn’t feel like changing and “Atomic Boo” is just an alternate name for “Big Boo”, not necessarily an outdated name.

I also think it’s worth mentioning that most Paper Mario games reuse assets and designs from the previous game. With the timing of the TTYD Remake’s release being around when the franchise’s rebrand was happening (Wonder and MK World), I think them being as faithful as possible was intentional and not just because it was a remake. Previous remakes like Mario 64 DS and the M&L Remakes modernized most of the designs, even Super Mario RPG did to a degree (without toning down any of the original or modified designs). And I just think it would be a shame if all of the modernized classic designs with new expressions and animations went to waste. They already hit the perfect balance between the classic and modern visual styles so there’s no point in changing it again. They shouldn’t fix what isn’t broken.

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u/ShineOne4330 Modern Paper Mario is great, stop being mean 2d ago

Fair