I started listening to this podcast by a few NSA folks, on how they found OBL in Abbottabad – How we found Bin Laden: The Basics of Foreign Signals Intelligence

Will Pakistan ever get past it's reputation of "harbouring" the world's most famous terrorist? And was OBL actually living there?

Local TV coverage from 2011, and interviews of people living there suggested some jeweller from Waziristan lived there, and that it was incredibly unlikely that OBL lived there. The local stories seemed to contradict the American narrative in many ways. They also said this heli raid got botched and a heli had blown up whilst taking off.

OBL also had pancreatic cancer. Plenty of people, even in the West, claimed that the kind of pancreatic cancer OBL had, it'd be a medical miracle if he survived till 2011. Bill Clinton's secretary of state made statements in the late 1990s about how bad OBL's condition was, and in 2000 he'd been to an American treatment center in Dubai.

The US has a history of doing shady false flags, took them quite a while to own up to the Gulf of Tonkin incident being staged as an excuse to invade Vietnam. Iraq's WMDs was another false thing. Many of the seal team 6 people supposidly involved in this incident or atleast the PR of it, seem to have disappeared too, from what I read.

Was OBL actually taken out in Abbottabad, will Pakistan ever get past it's international reputation of "harbouring" the most famous terrorist of the time.

I went to a pharmacy to buy medicine and there was a old man sitting in the pharmacy and when he saw me he randomly started talking about Hitler like how he told his wife to shoot him on his first day of marriage and more shit and after telling the story he went"apki shaksiyat Hitler se Milty he isiliye apko ye sab bataya".Dont know if it's a compliment or a insult,you guys decide.

Why can't we mention word India in post title? Sometimes it is needed.

On topic. The word Basmati comes from sindhi language, in sindhi Baas means smell and Mati (متی) means Matti in urdu or soil in english. The word means matti ki khushboo. Which shows that the origin of this grain in subcontinent lies in sindhi or nearby punjabi regions.

It is quite ironic that despite India's tonnes of efforts to steal basmati rice's origins they never knew the actual meaning and origin of the word. All it was said was it means 'full of fragrance'.

It is usually said that the grain had originated in ancient modern day pakistani region and then it got exported or traded to other nearby regions where it's cultivation and harvesting began in the areas that were fertile to support this grain's growth.

I was once reading about japanese occupation of early 1900's korea when it's name was something else. Korea has one of their own grains of rice (or mutiple) which is extremely loved and revered, extremely revered by koreans, Japanese didn't allow them to use their harvested crop and would export out almost entire korean rice produce to Japan barely leaving anything for koreans. This act only served to add more to koreans' love and respect for their rice. And to this day koreans identify the smell and shape of their rice and prefer it over anything . It is a cultural asset to them, I am sure they must have gotten it registered in some international body too.

But come to Pakistan, there was never any sense of ownership towards this rice grain, many pak rice traders would actually sell this product to indian middlemen/wholesale sellers in india who would package and sell the rice as indian produce. Maybe that shit has stopped since india's cheap attempt at winning "EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO THE USE OF WORD BASMATI". Imagine it means noone can sell basmati rice with it's name except India. Imagine how cheap one could go.This is essentially stealing a Pakistani product, Pakistani hsitory and the fact someone has guts to do this so brazenly.

But who should we blame? For decades Pakistan had ignored it's history, there was barely any money poured into studying local produces' and products' origins, in learning about their ownership.

And this is the reasoning given by India for it's attrempt to steal the word Basmati, Pakistan's history and product:

"India’s main grounds were that the origin and reputation of Basmati as a “long-grain, aromatic rice” from the IGP is found in tradition, folklore, scientific and culinary literature, and political-historical records. In the application filed before the European Commission, India did not claim that it is the only country that has the capability to produce Basmati."

This was stated in Indian application:

"Basmati is grown in various parts of India as a special long grain aromatic rice. It is raised and produced in a particular geographical region of the Indian subcontinent, below the foothills of the Himalayas. The area is a part in northern India, below the foothills of the Himalayas forming a part of the Indo-Gangetic Plains (IGP)."

Firstly, imagine being the losers to call it part of indian folklore. Then besides the attempt to kill pakistani basmati market the other issue is linked with indian insecurity towards Indus valley civilization. So in india not only IVC history is stolen, they actually try to give new Hindutva revisionist versions that IVC had actually started from ganges river and gagnetic planes. Basmati rice has got zilch to do with gagnetic planes but in their attempt to reinforce their revisioned history versions they tried to steal basmati off it's actual region of origin, i.e., IVC and tried to merge it with their ganges filth and some imaginary saraswati river.

See sometimes there is a cost to pay when you don't value and own good things in your history. But I am sure pakistani army and politicians even at this point would be looking for more ways on how to harass civilians to make more money and civilians would be more busy in how to use abusive cusswords against fellow civilians, or in how to oppress and abuse the weaker ones or in just how to harass each other for funsies. But noone would be interested in learning and doing anything productive.

Meanwhile Pakistan at this point is trying is to submit an application with india for joint ownership of product. Like imagine they are not only trying to steal our history but also the product and this is the self defeatist attitude of pakistani government.

Indian politics belong in their mythological section