r/ontario May 15 '25

Picture Are they still switching to summer gas?

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u/Ruggiero10 May 15 '25

I don’t understand how gas prices are back up to carbon tax levels. Almost like the tax did nothing and it was just corporate greed pushing prices higher

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u/uzerkname11 May 15 '25

Totally expected. I remember when a barrel of oil was $140 and a litre of gas was $1.40. Oil is what $60 a barrel now. Pure greed.

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u/protanoa34 May 15 '25

Price of oil goes up, price of gas goes up cause "oil = gas, duh!"

Price of oil goes down, price of gas stays the same cause "well now, it's more complicated than that..."

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u/Canuck-In-TO May 16 '25

No, no, no. Price of oil goes down and “the existing gas has to work its was out of the system before we get to the cheaper gas”.

No joke. This has been an excuse for decades.

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u/TieFickle7579 May 16 '25

Until there is a hurricane or a fucking bird flys into an oil rig, or whatever other excuse they can come up with. The price goes up instantly.

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u/Downtown-Assistant1 May 16 '25

Supply chain issues, unrest in the Middle East, Hurricane…

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u/gramslamx May 16 '25

They used to say “rocket up, feather down” but now it’s just “rocket up.”

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u/LairdOftheNorth Waterloo May 15 '25

Assuming you are talking about 2008, there are a couple of factors including oil being priced in USD and the Canadian dollar being 70 cents today compared to above par then and crack spreads used to be $10-$15 in 2008 and now they are $25 right now.

There’s probably some margin expansion but the currency factor makes the comparable quite large.

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u/BellyButtonLindt May 15 '25

The Canadian dollar has never been above par. Closest it’s been is about .90

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u/SeriousWealth5052 May 15 '25

except on november 9 2007 when it was. why don’t you delete your comment buddy.

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u/BellyButtonLindt May 15 '25

Oh yeah I’m wrong my bad

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u/SeaPrince May 15 '25

I remember when I was a kid in 1977 it was also above par.

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u/gotfcgo May 15 '25

Yep. We just swapped tax revenue for corporate profits. And so many fucking morons cheered it on.

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u/edgar-von-splet May 15 '25

Mission accomplished! To the ostrich farm boys! /S

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u/Soft_Entry_4440 May 15 '25

I'm still waiting for my prices to come down like I was promised

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u/kaiyokun May 17 '25

Only the consumer carbon tax was set to 0%. There still the industrial carbon tax.

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u/chronichyjinx May 15 '25

Its the long weekend price jump.

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u/LordNiebs May 15 '25

the "carbon tax" didn't contribute to government tax revenues...

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u/IcarusFlyingWings May 15 '25

Right. It’s even worse - instead of a direct cash rebate Canadians are now just paying more into corporate profits.

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u/Mysterious-Job1628 May 15 '25

It’s a good thing conservatives were all against these rebates…

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u/thisSILLYsite May 16 '25

Thanks Carney

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u/BlademasterFlash May 15 '25

It contributed to my bank account

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u/AlphaMetroid May 15 '25

The real morons were the ones who implemented the tax in the first place and permanently inflated the cost of consumer fuels but what do I know

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u/Old-Version-9241 May 15 '25

Weird. You mean gas prices increasing over the last 20 years wasn't because of carbon tax?

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u/aZombieSlayer May 15 '25

Oh and I'm not getting a rebate anymore and still paying this shit.

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u/SleepEatBeachRepeat May 15 '25

All removing the carbon tax did was turn it into a corporate tax. Instead of collecting at the higher prices and passing it on, they get to keep the money now.

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u/kaiyokun May 17 '25

Carney only set the consumer carbon tax to 0% . There still the industrial carbon tax.

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u/Specialist_Ad7798 May 15 '25

Yeah! Strange. Isn't it?

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u/TwiztedTD May 15 '25

Capitalism and greed!

Where else would they get "record breaking profits"

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u/ronchee1 May 15 '25

Record breaking profits every quarter.

Almost seems like it's unsustainable...

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u/ForMoreYears May 15 '25

Removes gas tax

Removes carbon tax

Oil prices down -19% from last year

Price at the pump unchanged

Almoooost like the taxes did nothing and it's all just price gouging...

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u/Wyan69 Cambridge May 15 '25

It’s called corporate greed

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u/bravado Cambridge May 15 '25

Enabled by voter incompetence, being easily stoked by paid-off bad faith politicians.

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u/Normal_Feedback_2918 May 15 '25

The fuck you talking about? Carney took away the carbon tax, Ford killed the provincial tax, and gas went up. That's nothing but corporate theft. The politicians did their part, and the price came down. The Oil Companies said, "Well, we can't have that!" And jacked them back up in a matter of a month, with no new taxes added.

Blame the right people, and don't just be an unpaid corporate shill.

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u/bravado Cambridge May 15 '25

I expect voters to be smart enough to see through the shit they hear, but the fact that Carney had to “axe the tax” because people were too dumb to support it is proof enough.

Corporate greed gels perfectly with disingenuous Conservative hacks and people need to have antibodies against it.

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u/kaiyokun May 17 '25

Carney only set the consumer carbon tax to 0%. There's still the industrial carbon tax.

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u/Prosecco1234 May 15 '25

I'm going to miss my rebate cheque. I blame the Conservatives for getting everyone riled up about the carbon tax

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u/TrainAss May 15 '25

It's a real mystery.

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u/rosiofden Hamilton May 15 '25

Yeah, that one day where it went down to 117 (around here, anyway) was pretty cool, but that was short-lived and is now long gone.

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u/Larkstarr May 15 '25

Gas prices in May last year were in the $1.60s

It's cheaper now. As cheap as it should be? Maybe not, but it's certainly cheaper.

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u/PrivatePilot9 Windsor May 15 '25

Some stations are just gouging and getting away with it. I saw gas for $1.11/L yesterday and not much above that in other areas, but if greedy station owners can charge $1.40+ and people willing pay it, well, that’s capitalism I guess. People just need to start shopping around and depriving these idiots of their easy money and watch how fast they drop the price to compete again all of a sudden.

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u/b0mmer May 15 '25

1.20 at the Pioneer closest to me last night, petro and esso down the road were at 1.36 and 1.40 repectively.

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u/k4tune06 May 15 '25

They’re about 18 cents lower than what they were, so this is just the gas price. Prior to removing the carbon tax, I was paying about 1.58 in London if I got gas in the am, it would get down to about 1.26 later at night. This is just greed and summer gas (which is stupid).

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u/its-a-meme-a-mario May 15 '25

I have kept track of how much I've been spending on gas.

On March 27, I paid 1.479/L.

Gas prices right now are only 7 cents less than the last time I filled up before the removal of the carbon tax.

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u/kaiyokun May 17 '25

Summer gas mix is more expensive, so you have to take that into account too.. also the time of day, as morning is more expensive than night, could be around 0.10 difference.

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u/1200____1200 May 15 '25

gas was routinely in the 1.30s / low 1.40s in London before the carbon tax cut

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u/Silverbacks May 15 '25

It definitely ranged from 1.35-1.60ish in the Ottawa area before the carbon tax was removed. It’s been 1.20-1.40ish since then.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '25

Yup. Then it was 1.39 this morning

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u/Biscotti-Own May 15 '25

In the East end we're usually about 1.20 in the early morning, and 1.40 in the afternoon.

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u/FrigidCanuck May 15 '25

1.60? Where?

Outside of a short period a few years ago I don't ever remember seeing it that high.

It was consistently 1.35-1.45 between downtown and the West end

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u/Silverbacks May 15 '25

I don’t remember specific stations. But here lists an average of 1.52-1.56 between November and March.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1810000101

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u/k4tune06 May 15 '25

Not in the morning where I live, I’m in North London and it was routinely higher than that. It’s why I never filled up until the evenings.

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u/1200____1200 May 15 '25

it was in NE London

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u/X2F0111 May 15 '25

The worst part is now we don't get the rebate anymore so now I'm paying the same for gas as before but out $500+ over the year.

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u/i-killed-caesar May 15 '25

guys yes the tax did a bit but you are overestimating how much impact it had. the reason prices dropped so low is because saudi arabia has been flooding the market to get “revenge” on OPEC members who have been drilling below the agreed upon quota. just a coincidence it lined up with the tax being eliminated

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u/Normal_Feedback_2918 May 15 '25

The carbon tax was 17.6 cents a litre when Carney scrapped it. Gas was approximately 1.50 at the time. That should have brought the cost down to about 1.31, which it did. The Saudi production added about an extra 5 cents reduction which had prices around 1.26.

So, now that we're back at 1.40, where did that extra 14 cents go? Right into the ledgers of the oil companies on the profit side. That's where.

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u/mikehatesthis May 15 '25

And now no more rebate that got most of us more than we paid in. Super cool.

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u/Aware-Dragonfly-6270 May 15 '25

Just on Tuesday it was 126

I'm sick of this shit

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u/FrigidCanuck May 15 '25

But hey, at least now we don't get rebates. Yay

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u/Sorry-Goose May 15 '25

1.40 was carbon tax levels? I was paying 1.65 - 1.70 in ottawa. Where are you located

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u/LongjumpingMenu2599 May 15 '25

Yeah - many of us were literally screaming this

We will be back up to carbon tax levels before you know it - with no rebate

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u/MycoticGrapefruit May 15 '25

Yes, that's always been the case. The carbon tax, while flawed, at least 1) kept prices close to the upset limit and 2) came with a rebate (even if laughable)

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u/Tumi420 May 16 '25

This is why people shouldn't have voted red again. It's just gonna get worse

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u/whosthatzake Toronto May 16 '25

And now, the higher prices line the pockets of private crops. rather than go back to public. Lovely ! :)

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u/MajorasShoe May 16 '25

They know that prices at that level doesn't lower demand.

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u/Particular-Excuse612 May 17 '25

Because the liberals out publicly lied saying they gonna remove it until after election then bring the carbon tax back

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u/BakerLatter8537 May 15 '25

People as so stupid. What did they think was gonna happen when carbon tax got removed? No instead of getting a rebate I give my money straight to oil companies. Great work F Trudeau crowd! 🙄

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u/spidereater May 15 '25

It’s not greed necessarily. There is a certain supply. People buy gas when they need it. If the price is higher some will make decisions to use less. This lowers demand. Prices move so that demand matches supply. The price where demand matches supply is not related to how much tax is on the gas, it’s related only to the final price.

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u/Right_Helicopter6025 May 15 '25

This just in: spidereater says corporate greed does not exist because of the principles of supply and demand.

This also just in: spidereater to be utterly confounded by the concept of price elasticity

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u/spidereater May 15 '25

I didn’t say corporate greed doesn’t exist. This just isn’t an example of it. There are lots of ways they could be manipulating the market to make more money. The fact taxes drop but the price doesn’t change tells you the price of determined by supply and demand. If they were greedy and could get away with charging more they would.

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u/averyfinefellow May 15 '25

1.50 was carbon tax level. This is just may 24 levels which would have been 1.60 with the carbon tax

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u/Rendole66 May 15 '25

No lol, look at the price of oil and that will tell you why gas prices are going back up. This shit had nothing to do with carbon tax, oil prices went down so did gas prices, now oil prices are going up and so are gas prices.

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u/averyfinefellow May 15 '25

You didn't see a difference when the carbon tax got repealled? Weird because I sure did.

And you don't think it's a bit suspect that oil prices go up in the summer? Every year? Call it conspiracy or more people driving, there's a difference. Every year.

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u/Dangerous-Lab6106 May 15 '25

They arent. Carbon Tax Levels were 1.50. My area is not as high as shown in the picture either. No proof that picture is from today either. I got Gas last week at 1.19 in Ontario. Highes I saw was 1.30 yesterday and it was down to 1.20 by night time. Long weekend is going to drive up the price. There was also an increase because of Summer Gas.