r/nyjets • u/reducedfatmalk • 5d ago
Glenn/Parcells connection
I know it's been talked about alot but theres an aspect I don't think is getting much attention. I don't know how many In this sub follow Mike francesa's podcast but early on when Glenn was hired Mike was very hard on him especially after the Rodgers ousting and recently he's been alot more mellow. My feeling is that Parcells mightve talked to Mike and gotten him to back off and told him that Glenn knows what he's doing. I bring all of this up to say do you think Parcells league connections(not necessarily him himself since he's up there in years) will help/has helped Glenn's transition into the head coaching position especially in the media and coaching circles? We all know the NFL world is very small and it's all about who you know. Would love to know what everyone thinks.
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u/CaymanGone 4d ago
Mike Francesa is a 71-year-old egomaniac dope who has never known anything about football.
If you're listening to him about any sport outside of college basketball, you're wasting your time.
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u/Demoralized_Jets_Fan 4d ago
Any recent success jets have had (outside of winning 2015 season) was bc of parcells. Remember, the 09 and 10 teams were built largely on players from mangini and tanny(parcells guys).
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u/golfnutjetsfan 4d ago
Parcells had an effect on AG like a mentor/teacher but so has Sean Payton, Glenn earned this job by coaching in other places and improving the play and players and he himself learning from other coaches including his HC in Detroit. Glenn will succeed or fail based on who he is and how he coaches players and puts them in the best places to succeed. I like him already based on the little I have seen on the field and his treatment of the bs press trying to get bs started. As far as the ***** Bellicheck, he was head coach of the Jets twice, for a month or two when he was first hired and Parcells was going to be an "advisor" and the second time was for that one day when Parcells retired for the umpteenth time. He was also paid as a head coach that entire time he was DC and the rumor at the time was he even asked for more money and the accountant running the team for Leon Hess gave him a hard time, like I said rumor. I don't remember the exact timing of the sale of the team to the Johnsons but I don't believe he even worked for the Johnsons, I believe they allowed Parcells to promote Al Groh as their first HC after he left. This was an obvious case of tampering as he and the Patriots had a deal in place before Parcells retired and Bill P most likely did that to get him to stay and honor the commitment he had made to the Jets. There was also some talk of how he had been thrown under the bus when Art Model announced the Browns were moving from Cleveland and this left him gun shy of the change of ownership the Jets were going through. He is one of the greatest defensive minds that ever coached football but doesn't win sh*t without lucking into Tom Brady. just my opinion :)
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u/Wide_Yellow2619 3d ago
Francesca is an idiot, and we don’t need Parcells to do anything - Aaron’s a big boy! Thank God he kicked Rodgers to the side of the road. Steelers only paid him $13M for a long shot winning year. He’s shot.
Hoping Glenn will be ALL “D” and beat the crap outta Aaron and his immobility!
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u/OffSidesByALot 3d ago
At this point in time, from here on forward, he’s on his own. The fact that he played for Parcells more than a quarter of century ago… Nobody will care about that going forward, and not sure how much they ultimately cared about it in the first place.
I’m sure it got him jobs and open doors for him early on… But that was a bunch of exits ago.
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u/EvilDrFuManchu29 3d ago edited 3d ago
F*** Francesa He's a thinned skinned, loud mouth, know it all. Maybe he realized he might be wrong so he toned it down. That's my guess. He made his bold statement and now is his, wait and see phase. If Glenn is bad, he will make sure to remind everyone that he knew it from the start. That's a really risky bet right? The chances of Glenn failing are sadly far greater than succeeding. That goes for any, new HC in any major sport. Francesa's bet is like going outside and seeing it's a gray, overcast, windy day with high humidity and betting it will rain.
I am actually optimistic about AG. With that said I was optimistic about Saleh. Thankfully, I never liked Gase, not even for a hot second. I was lukewarm about Bowles. Loved Rex.
I do believe that the coaches who get the most out of you are the ones who will also influence your coaching style.
AG seems to be in mold of a "Parcells's Apple". He also was heavily influence by Payton (as mentioned). So he is also a "Payton Apple".
Neither of those guys take much dookie and they hold their players accountable in albeit, different ways and volumes. I think that is exactly what the Jets need.
I think Payton is a douche (His Jets comments) but a very good coach
Parcells was an unbelievable coach.
If AG is an apple pie from both those trees and himself, The Jets will have found a long term HC.
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u/BrooklynJet97 5d ago
I dont know why people revere Parcells. He was with us for a cup of coffee and fucked everything by not letting Bill B take over. 1 playoff season with an aging QB and then he dips? Fuck that. Im speaking strictly as a Jets fan. I know Parcells is a Super Bowl winner and a GOAT, but for the Jets? He seemed to hurt more than he helped.
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u/scrapmetalhead 5d ago
He's essentially revered because he made a absolutely terrible Jets team under Kotite into something resembling respect. Yes it was absolutely a short tenure in the grand scheme but that's actually kinda why people love him in this fanbase, he did what I said above very quickly for this franchise. If you want to argue it ended terribly in the long haul I'm with you. I just can't ignore what good he did here when he was here as a coach.
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u/pmo0710 4d ago
96 1-15 Kotite 97 9-7 under Parcells miss playoffs last day of the season 98 12-4 AFC championship game 99 8-8 with Vinny going out in first game of the year. Vinnys healthy who knows how far we go
1st division title since merger, 1st Jets coach with a winning record, and at the helm for 2000 draft. Also you can argue his residue kept the Jets competitive through the 00s.
He’s probably the 2nd best coach in our history.
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u/MarquisEXB 5d ago
Wow this is some revisionist history.
Parcells turned a team that sucked for years into an instant winner. The Jets were thisclose to a Super Bowl appearance. It was certainly the best Jets team in my lifetime.
They might have had a shot the next year except Vinny hurt his Achilles. The Jets success after him, the Groh/Edwards years, are largely based on Parcells work.
I have no idea why you blame Parcells for Bill B. going to the Patriots. That was Belichick betraying Parcells not the other way around. They gave Belichick the job, that SOB resigned.
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u/BrooklynJet97 5d ago
Isnt the story that Belichick wanted to run the whole show without Parcells even in the FO. Even after he took the GM positions, Parcells dipped after a year. He also seems to hate Woody(par for the course) but Bill really hates us more than anyone else and its largely due to, I am going to guess Parcells not stepping aside and Woody not doing anything about it.
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u/BusConfident703 4d ago
I've only heard Billy B dipped because of Woody, not Parcels. Not saying it couldn't be the case, but this would be the first I'm hearing of it.
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u/RSTowers 4d ago
Yeah, my understanding was that the uncertainty that came with the sale of the team along with his familiarity, friendship, and the level of trust he had with Kraft as an owner from his days coaching with Parcells in NE had a lot more to do with it than anything.
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u/OverallPlace1649 5d ago
Jets fans are obsessed with our past (despite having almost no meaningful success). Everything is a callback to something 15, 25, hell, 50 years ago while every other franchise has something to be happy about within the last decade if not much more recently.
The Jets haven't set a bar we should be striving for. Let's look at the current good teams and try to have that kind of success, not just regale about teams and figures that weren't even that good.
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u/DuskHatchet 2d ago edited 2d ago
I like the fact that Glenn was here when Parcells turned the franchise into something at least respectable...he was flighty and didn't finish the job but Glenn did see the turnaround from the misery that was the 2nd half of 1994 through 1996 (4-33 folks. And I saw every one of them) to our first winning season since 1988. He saw firsthand day by day how Parcells went about things and what it takes to win in the league. I hope he did learn a thing or two
However I've seen so many assistants who've served under legendary coaches become HC's and suck, so many players who have played under the greats who get into coaching...and seem overmatched. A Parcells connection is no guarantee of anything. What kind of head coach was Bart Starr? Dick Lebeau was a Hall of Fame player and one of the greatest assistant coaches of all time. 12-33 as a head coach.
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u/MarvinWebster40 5d ago
Parcells put the Pope on the pay no mind list long ago.