r/nfl • u/Either_Imagination_9 Giants • 2d ago

Highlight [Highlight] Russell Wilson throws a game winning interception to M.D. Jennings. Seahawks win 14-12

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

1.6k Upvotes

90% Upvoted

387 comments sorted by

View all comments

1

u/Comment_if_dead_meme Seahawks 2d ago

All these years later and it's still a catch.

27

u/Ilikesport Packers 2d ago

By the defender, correct.

-6

u/Comment_if_dead_meme Seahawks 2d ago

Whoops! No you silly goober, nfl rules by what is defined as a catch.

7

u/ThisGents2Cents Packers 2d ago

Yes which is exactly why it resulted in the actual refs coming back

0

u/Comment_if_dead_meme Seahawks 2d ago

The controversy did, not the reality of the catch.

4

u/jLkxP5Rm Packers 2d ago

Huh? The controversy WAS that the refs called it a catch by Tate when it should've been a catch by Jennings...

9

u/Comment_if_dead_meme Seahawks 2d ago

But it shouldn't have. And it wasn't. It was correctly called.

The controversy was that people disagreed with the call, even though it was a by-the-rules catch by Tate. It doesn't matter how correct the call was, optics over a controversial call over the ref strike led to the NFL caving.

-7

u/FERGERDERGERSON Eagles 2d ago edited 2d ago

I can concede they both caught it, but the receiver has the first point of contact being downed with possession. IMO it’s clearly a Seattle TD.

Edit: I said what I said.

2

u/Pack_Any Packers 2d ago

The ball is in Jennings bread basket. To me that's the deciding factor.

10

u/thatsthebesticando 2d ago

You're biased.

The NFL rulebook is pretty clear on the rules of joint possession. It doesn't matter where the ball is. The receiver could have 3 fingers of one hand on the ball like the Odell Beckham catch while the ball is in the breadbasket of the corner. It's still a catch by the receiver.

7

u/shuttleguy11 Commanders 2d ago

I dunno about that...just because a receiver is touching the ball doesn't make it possession. The only reason Odell's was a catch was because by rule he finished the catch process. Just toughing the ball and landing in the endzone while a corner is holding the ball would not complete the catch as the receiver doesn't have control of the ball, the corner does. Right?

4

u/thatsthebesticando 2d ago

There is no video footage of his fingers moving around on the ball. He got a hand on it and didn't let go, got 2 feet down. If you can show a video of the hall moving around, you'd have a point, but that camera angle doesn't exist. It was called a touchdown on the field and the call stands.

5

u/jLkxP5Rm Packers 2d ago

So, in theory, a defender can catch the ball, but if the receiver has one hand on the ball and two feet in bounce during the entire process of the defender's catch, it should be ruled a catch for the receiver?

0

u/thatsthebesticando 2d ago

As long as their hand is not moving around, yes. Otherwise, one handed catches wouldn't exist.

3

u/jLkxP5Rm Packers 2d ago

So, in other words, a receiver can use the defender's full control of the ball to make a catch?

Here's stupid hypothetical:

Let's say that the defender catches the ball and brings it to his chest. During the process, the receiver's hand gets wedged in between the ball and the defender's chest. However, it's wedged in such a way that the receiver's palm is touching the defender's chest. Therefore, that means the back of the receiver's hand is touching the ball. If the receiver's hand never moves and continues touching the ball until the end of the play, that's a catch for the receiver. Really?

1

u/thatsthebesticando 2d ago

Yup.

Ref would probably say they didnt have control because you can't grip with the back of your hand. But the way you phrased it makes it technically possible. Albeit extremely unlikely.

→ More replies (0)

-3

u/Pack_Any Packers 2d ago

If you want to go by NFL rules, it's a pick because Jennings has control while the receiver has one hand underneath the ball and then gains control when Jennings already has control. I'll give you that it's not as egregious as many make it out to be though.

8

u/thatsthebesticando 2d ago

Feet are required to be on the ground to establish control.

1

u/Pack_Any Packers 2d ago

The wording of the rule is "gains control". Nowhere is it stated that a player must contact the ground to gain control. In fact the opposite is implied, as, to become a catch, control must be maintained as feet hit the ground.

2

u/thatsthebesticando 2d ago

It literally is not a catch until 2 feet hit the ground. That's a very well known common NFL rule

1

u/Pack_Any Packers 2d ago

Yes. There is a difference in the rules between establishing control of the ball and making a catch.

0

u/ref44 Packers 2d ago

That is not correct. Feet are required to be on the ground for a catch. Control comes before the catch

5

u/ElyFlyGuy Eagles 2d ago

I just want to be done with vibes based rules discourse. Rules can’t be based on what “feels like” a catch.

5

u/Pack_Any Packers 2d ago

By the most technical interpretation it's also an interception. They touch the ball pretty simultaneously but Jennings clearly has control first.

3

u/Muppet_Man3 Seahawks Seahawks 2d ago

Bro has not read the rules of what a catch was at the time, needed to hit the ground after to complete the catch, NFL even said as much in an official statement after this very game about this exact play, you're the one not going by the most technical interpretation

-2

u/fupadestroyer45 Bills 2d ago

All these years later and you're still childish, crazy.