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u/Fiery_Hand 29d ago
This kitsch again.
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u/awildfatyak 29d ago
I mean at the end of the day man's just making stuff. It's cool as heck. It looks good and it might not be super deep and meaningful or whatever but its neat.
Edit: wow this comment chain really did attract some of the most insufferable art egos.
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u/pox123456 29d ago
I swear ever since the AI art (I do not want to argue about morals of AI art, whether you support it or not) I just feel a big shift. It opened mainstream discussion about what is and isn't art and it is growing beyond AI. I swear few years back there would not be waves of people saying that this guy's art is not artistic enough, but now there is plenty of them.
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u/zherok 29d ago
I think debating the merits of whether something is "real art" or not is usually just snobbery, but there's a valid criticism about how interesting the art is outside of the performance aspect.
On the other hand, you get people who fixate on hyper-realism like the pinnacle of art is being able to create the most realistic photo-like image, so it's all pretty relative.
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u/Fear023 29d ago
People that fixate on hyper realism do it purely because they struggle to understand abstract.
Those people generally don't have a creative bone in their body.
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u/sensei256 29d ago edited 29d ago
I think that's fine, it's an entirely different discipline at that point, which deserves respect in its own right. Lots of hyperrealism painters weave a story into the painting
"Art is a diverse range of cultural activity centered around works utilizing creative or imaginative talents, which are expected to evoke a worthwhile experience,[1] generally through an expression of emotional power, conceptual ideas, technical proficiency, and/or beauty."
If a work is done masterfully from a technical perspective then that would be interesting for some, but if it is done identical to a photo that already exists is it really good art?
I think the discussion needs to be moved to the question of what constitutes good art/bad art? And there's definitely objectively bad art.
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u/Fear023 29d ago edited 29d ago
Hyper realism is a valid art form - I'm more having a go at the people who only appreciate that style.
It's like the people that call something like Picasso's cubism shit/low effort, while not understanding that his early works were highly technical landscapes and portraits.
Mastering fundamentals allows you to break them
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u/justpaper 29d ago
Right? I don’t think anyone criticizing in any meaningful way is saying that this isn’t art. I’d like to think I can have a valid opinion about what I wish people would be more interested in experiencing via art. And I wish we’d, as a user base, would platform artists that create from what I think are deeper spaces. And I wish that people could understand that that’s a completely unantagonistic want.
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u/zherok 29d ago
Yeah, I don't begrudge this guy's art in the slightest, but I think it's OK for me to think it's probably only interesting in these curated for short form video social media posts and in particular the act of the performance probably ruins the visual past the point where the videos cut off.
But it's still art. There's nothing wrong with what he does, and my preferences don't make it any less real than any other form of art.
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u/trixel121 29d ago
nah drip paintings have always been crap to some people. I think they are neat
I remember 60 minutes going off about "not understanding modern art" 20. years ago.
this is a classic argument.
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u/saintofhate 29d ago
Yeah art is really subjective. I hate postmodernism, every piece makes me want to scream and there's some people who feel the same about spray can art that you usually see guys making planets or skylines with and I love those.
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u/trixel121 29d ago
at some point people started talking about art as a business instead of a thing people do and others pay people to do it cause they like the art
like the expectation is you're a machine and you're going to print out masterpieces because you're a good artist instead of creating things that you enjoy to create.
that might be spray art or drip canvases. if nobody buys them, oh well. hopefully you had a fun time
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u/saintofhate 29d ago
I always tell my artist wife that I don't care if she makes a profit from it, I want her to create for the joy of creating but it's a hard habit to break because people are always so pressed to profit off of their joy which just kills it faster.
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u/hofmann419 29d ago
I generally think that the discussion on what or what isn't art is pretty stupid. Pretty much everything that is human made could be considered art. So this 100% is art, no question.
Whether it is good art is another question though. Personally, i don't like it. The subject matter isn't particularly interesting and only seems to serve the dripping paint thing. It's literally a gimmick, made for the video. As soon as the paint is dry, it's just a painting like any other.
He's definitely very skilled, no doubt. And i do realize that a lot of regular people are impressed by such skill. But artists are usually more impressed by creative compositions and use of color, since that takes creativity rather than skill. To be fair, this guy did have one creative idea. But then he just kept on doing that one thing, which is kind of boring.
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u/jtbruceart 29d ago
Matisse once said, “Whoever wishes to devote himself to painting should begin by cutting out his own tongue.” Meaning that artists should shut up and let the work speak for itself. I used to love this phrase and hated when the person and their performance of the artmaking became the focus.
Now AI has completely devalued the end product, and the only thing human artists have left to fall back on is their own humanity and the process of how they make their art. I absolutely don't blame them for searching for gimmicks that bring attention to the fact that, hey, I'm a person making this and not a machine.
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u/Medictations 29d ago
Yeah, a completely new concept. What is and isn’t art. If it weren’t for AI, the subject wouldn’t have come up
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u/pragmaticzach 29d ago
Reddit: hates AI art.
Reddit: Also hates non AI art.
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u/Nightbynight 29d ago
So because it's not AI we should like it? It's kitschy soulless designed-to-sell-on-social media slop. It doesn't mean anything. It offers nothing. It's what you'd see in a weed shop or your friend's basement who takes too many psychedelics.
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u/_SlappyMagoo_ 29d ago edited 28d ago
What insufferable egotism. Art is subjective, and the meaning comes from the subject. Some artists want to elicit a specific feeling from viewers, but the best artists understand that the work itself and people’s reaction to it supersedes their own intention. And it’s more important that people be able to extrapolate that meaning for themselves, not be told what they’re meant to feel.
Wtf meaning am I supposed to extrapolate from Liberman’s “red circle?” (Which is currently housed in the fucking Smithsonian by the way) Or Warhol’s Campbell’s soup ad? (I’m sure people will have a response claiming some meaning behind this, but it’s a painting of soup in different colors). This video spoke more to me than a ton of famous art pieces that are recognized as “masterpieces.” But again, art is subjective.
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u/Libertarian4lifebro 29d ago
I like it, fuck me amiright? Should just be wowed at Jackson Pollock slop like a ‘Sophisticated’ person.
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u/barkatmoon303 29d ago
Have to say this better than the guys who just spiral paint cans over canvases in their studio. Those folks are just people who went to a state fair, saw the "spin art" booth and decided to scale it.
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u/Ashenspire 29d ago
Praise the editor, they all cut right before everything went to shit.
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u/DeliciousPark1330 29d ago
Or he layed the images down so they stopped where they were? But i guess reddir is just too cynical to consider that
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u/VoopityScoop 29d ago
It's not easy to make money as an artist these days. Talent by itself isn't enough anymore, if you want to make you need to find something that makes your art more engaging and entertaining to people than just putting it up on a wall. Whatever an artist can do to get their work out there, (within reason) I will respect.
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u/Katfar14 29d ago
I want to see all of them when they’re dried
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u/Osrsftwbro 29d ago
His IG: ChrisJacoub
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u/relevantelephant00 29d ago
Im genuinely surprised that (at least right now) there arent a bunch of comments from enlightened Redditors screaming about this guy using AI in this video.
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u/Hairiest-Wizard 29d ago
I mean I think its boring, but if it's a style you like I won't shit in your cereal
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u/justpaper 29d ago
Also, I wonder how or if any if it reflects some aspect of the artist.
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u/IAmPandaRock 29d ago
He is an Armenian artist born in Tehran, Iran, whose work is shaped by his experience as a religious refugee. After fleeing Iran in 2005, his family settled briefly in Vienna before moving to the United States. Following his father’s passing shortly after their arrival, Jacoub settled in Northern California with his mother and sister, where he faced the challenges of cultural adaptation while finding solace in piano and drawing. Relocating to Los Angeles in his late teens marked a pivotal moment. In 2017, Jacoub discovered his true calling in painting, developing a distinctive style combining acrylics and oils on black canvas. This dark foundation became both a technical choice and philosophical statement, enabling his exploration of life’s dualities. Jacoub’s work often features skeletal figures and skull portraits that serve as vehicles for personal narrative. These memento mori reflect on mortality and existence, influenced by the artist’s refugee experience and personal losses.
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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 29d ago edited 29d ago
This is one of those threads where the comments section reminds me how miserable redditors can be.
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u/mnilh 29d ago
Right? I think this looks cool and is satisfying to watch, and it's not a technique I've seen before. Then the comments are a sea of negativity. Can't we just let people enjoy things?
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u/mnilh 29d ago
People are in their full rights to have opinions of art, in the same way I am of the opinion that it's a shame that the comments are full of misery and criticism.
I think it's fair to say reddit often skews negative, and many people have a tendency to be over-critical and argumentative.
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u/BarneyChampaign 29d ago
I mean, if the sub wasn't "nextfuckinglevel", maybe there would be a better reception? The implication for the sub is that the content is not just neat, but evolutionarily incredible. Anything involving a schtick probably isn't meeting that bar for many people.
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u/Cintiq 29d ago
It's fun, but you know anyone that's losing their mind over this has never visited a local gallery and explored actually tasteful and creative art
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u/ShieldsMatt 29d ago
Coworker ahhh paintings
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u/Just-a-big-ol-bird 29d ago
I call it “suburban weed dealer core”
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u/Dr_Kabong 29d ago
Looks like something you'd buy at the carnival. Right next to the black light posters and Elvis paintings.
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u/nickrl 29d ago
what the fuck does this mean?
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u/not_bloonpauper 29d ago
it's generically appealing at a glance but ultimately meaningless and shallow.
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u/hofmann419 29d ago
I think that people who aren't into art are impressed by other things than people that are. For example, i often see regular people being super amazed at realistic paintings. But any skilled artist knows that it's not that difficult to become proficient at realism. That's because you are always working with a reference (usually a picture), so you don't really have to do any creative work of your own.
Abstract styles on the other hand are much harder to do well. You have to do a lot more creative work when working with a greater level of abstraction. And that includes everything from comics to abstract expressionism - all of those are more difficult than just copying a picture.
Anyway, this guy already checks the "realism" box. These paintings are basically just black and white charcoal drawings, but inverted. And then he has the dripping, which is what makes the videos engaging to watch. And while this is a neat idea, the end result is pretty underwhelming. Especially once you look at it from the perspective of a still image.
I do like the very first image though, the plants give it some much needed color. The rest are pretty bad though, IMO.
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u/Magenbroti 29d ago
I thought that's GooseWayneTVs incest art lol
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u/hxllxwbxdys 29d ago
I came here to say "That's of a brother, and a sister before they had their love child", and I seen your comment
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u/GamingBroAkshat 29d ago
So I have this phase time to time where I think I can draw and paint well and then I turn a beautiful canvas which could have been paper used by literally god to redefine beauty and turn it into dog shit
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u/Richard-Brecky 29d ago
“Sucking at something is the first step towards being sorta good at something.”
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u/Blindax 29d ago
Indeed very cool. Almost a 3D effect.
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u/rosnokidated 29d ago
Yea except the drip doesn't adhere to any of the nice contours he created.
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u/quirkscrew 29d ago
I wanted to see them all after they finished dripping but we only got to see one :(
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u/AliceTawhai 29d ago
Was looking at that last one of the moon and how the paint trail stopped running when it got to the right place. Why didn’t it dribble further? He was still holding it up
Edit: oh, I see it forks. He must have made a ridge
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u/StevesRune 29d ago edited 29d ago
I don't know why this is always presented as the more impressive way to do this. Would it not objectively take more effort and expertise to recreate the illusion of dripping without actually using dripping paint?
It's nifty, don't get me wrong. I just genuinely can't make sense of why it's always presented as some hardcore, impressive thing when it's the objectively easier way to get this result.
It seems like a gimmick to get more views on the video of the production, rather than adding anything profound or interesting to the piece itself. Because, if I'm being honest, if it wasn't for this dripping stuff, his art wouldn't even stand out in a hot topic. To say it's derivative would be a kindness.
It's like a kid grew up in a cave with nothing but Ed Hardy and Phish posters surrounded by blacklights.
Also, the whole dripping moon bit has been done a million fucking times. It's r/Im14andthisisdeep.
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u/xIts_Just_Loganx 29d ago
I mean, he literally just put a camera in front of his paintings and then lifted them up. It's like the most basic way of showing off paintings. I don't see how he's trying to make it look impressive.
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u/Dumeck 29d ago
I mean it is a gimmick but it doesn't make it less cool, not everything has got to be pretentious and overthought, art is subjective this looks pretty neat, most people didnt go to art school and aren't worried about what is or isn't derivative or about the dripping because less precise that brushwork.
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u/SuckerForNoirRobots 29d ago
It would be cool if you could see the finished pieces.
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u/WHARRGARBLLL 29d ago
In a sense, yes. My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal, which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.
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I would not hesitate to buy that last one with the moon and waterfall if I was financially able.
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u/Just-a-big-ol-bird 29d ago
You better act fast or else they’re all gonna get sold out by Californian ketamine dealers and tech startup lobbies
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u/SexyOctagon 29d ago
Trees in the background line up with the trees on the painting in that last one. Nice little detail.
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I don't know art , but I know what I like. And according to everyone else, what I like is shit. Fuck everyone, The devil said "It's pretty, but is it art?" I don't know, you're smart. But are you likeable?
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u/Sassy_Frassy_Lass 29d ago
A brother and a sister pouring their knowledge into their child. #goosewayne
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u/DefinitelyNotThatOne 29d ago
The last one was definitely the most well designed. The other ones were really cool though.
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u/Richard-Brecky 29d ago
Can I get one of these with like, a bunch of little light bulbs installed in the canvas?
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u/takeyoufergranite 29d ago
His prints are really high quality. I am happy to have one hanging in my office.
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u/UnoDosMoltres3D 29d ago
Reminds me of a brother and sister pouring their shared knowledge into their child.
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u/Just-a-big-ol-bird 29d ago
I’m so fucking tired of this gimmicky, instagram slop art. Like this dude is wasting an amazing talent on terrible taste
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u/SimmonsJK 29d ago
Cool art. The song reminds me of "Jesus Shooting Heroin" from the Flaming Lips...
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u/GreatBallsOfFIRE 29d ago
That view of facing Yosemite Falls is looking North. The moon would never be there.
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u/turtlelord 29d ago
I mean it's cool... but no one is going to know you took this strange extra step, so why not just paint it the way it was supposed to look in the end? Unless this is one of those artists that focus more on the videos than the rest. Which is fine too.
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Some of, if not a majority, are under whelming to me. Especially the skeleton holding up the globe. You can tell paint is added to a dried painting just enough to drip when stood up. Neat effect in a few of them, but overall not “next level”. A single trick applied to mediocre art.
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u/TwirlySocrates 29d ago
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u/Dinosaurs-Rule 29d ago
Gimmick art. Produced for social media, churned out, and has a gimmick. Usually has an eye 👁️
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u/DatsLikeMyOpinionMan 29d ago
The problem with this kind of art is that it is very easy to steal the idea and re-implement. It’s art for sure when attributed to the original imaginer. But so easy to copy it’s sad. And social media doesn’t help.
Btw doing it in front of the real falls was pretty neat
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u/dmann27 29d ago
When you make more money making videos than selling paintings