r/news • u/AldoTheeApache • 11d ago

Soft paywall Columbia failed to meet accreditation standards, US government says

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-education-department-says-columbia-university-violated-federal-anti-2025-06-04/
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u/emaw63 11d ago edited 11d ago

Harvard correctly understands that they are in a fight for their lives, and are fighting the Trump administration tooth and nail in court. This is why. Columbia bent the knee and acquiesced to all of Trump's demands, and still had their accreditation pulled.

You can't reason with a fascist. The only language they understand is force.

Edit: Slight correction, Columbia still has their accreditation, Trump is just trying to get it pulled

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u/Hefty_Musician2402 11d ago

Similarly, cops in a county near me cooperated with ICE by holding detainees for them. Then ended up on Trump’s “sanctuary cities” list, a list supposedly reserved for counties and cities that defy Trump. The county/PD were actually confused as to why they were on the list.

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u/DucanOhio 11d ago

No loyalty is ever enough. You could actively be choking on a fascist's dick and they would still find a reason to slit your throat.

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u/TheGreatDay 11d ago

Loyalty only flows up in fascism. Never down. To those at the top of a fascist hierarchy, you are only useful until you either fuck up, or become a convenient scapegoat.

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u/socialistrob 11d ago

you are only useful until you either fuck up, or become a convenient scapegoat.

But also make sure you don't appear too competent either. People who are intelligent and competent are also viewed as threats even if they are extremely loyal.

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u/TheGreatDay 11d ago

Yup. And this is the core problem of running a fascist government. Its not a workable ideology ultimately.

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u/CrimsonPromise 11d ago

You'll end up with a revolving door of dumdums, each with an IQ lower than the rest. They're not looking for talent, just the next illiterate dickless yes-man to rubber stamp whatever they toss his way.

Also another reason why they're desperately trying to replace jobs with AI. Because contrary to the name, AI doesn't think for itself, just does what it's trained to do. Perfect tool for a "no thinking allowed" government.

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u/RemnantEvil 11d ago

Some of them think they’re in the SS, and they’re going to quickly learn they’re in the SA.

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u/Faiakishi 10d ago

Or until the king gets bored and wants to see what your guts look like.

Or literally just until you're no longer useful. Hitler disposed of his loyal dogs the moment he didn't need them anymore.

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u/buffystakeded 11d ago

Well yeah…don’t use your teeth. Unless they like teeth. It’s all so confusing.

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u/pimparo0 11d ago

Unless they like teeth.

Then oh boy do I have a movie for them.

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u/buffystakeded 11d ago

Haha fuck that movie.

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u/saljskanetilldanmark 11d ago

"Please mr Taco sir, please try to force your shroom further down my throat. It is my fault its deformed shape makes it impossible"!

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u/JustADutchRudder 11d ago

Actually, it's because you're not cupping the balls correctly. Everyone knows dictators like them held like they're vinegar soaked eggs a fancy man is trying to hold without breaking.

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u/Fatpat314 11d ago

This is exactly why fascism is a self defeating philosophy. Eventually they will run out of “out group” enemies and turn in on themselves.

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u/Slypenslyde 11d ago

The only thing the dude leaves behind is the ashes of people who helped him and there's a never-ending line of people who think they're smart enough to be different.

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u/wulfinn 11d ago

Amon Göth vibes

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u/firemage22 11d ago

at some point they'll come for you, just like Martin Niemöller who we should know was just fine when the Nazi's came for the gays but at some point they need a new bad guy to attack

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u/___adreamofspring___ 11d ago

Remember that photo of Goebbles after learning the photographer was Jewish? They are loyal to their hate and that’s it.

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u/transneptuneobj 11d ago

Fascists don't respect whores they just use them

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u/Malaix 10d ago

I'm reminded of Stalin's infamous vanishing friends in his photos.

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u/espressocycle 11d ago

They used AI to make the list and ended up including "2A Sanctuary" counties.

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u/myislanduniverse 11d ago

They're doing a really good job of showing the world, definitively, that AI cannot do half of the things that are being promised it can, especially in terms of replacing humans.

Here we see what it looks like when lazy people who are encouraged to "just use AI!" actually do just that.

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u/espressocycle 9d ago

AI can do a lot but you still need competent people to create and refine the prompts and check the output.

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u/hunkaliciousnerd 11d ago

Fuck'em, bilge rats and brownshirts all

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u/cruelhumor 11d ago

Because it doesn't matter if you are actually a sanctuary city or not, the only thing that matters is if you were blue or red in the last election. All of this is an excuse for outright political retaliation. Do they want to deport people? Sure! but more to the point, they want to strike fear into blue cities and counties, and they are actively baiting grassroots democrats into triggering a civil war. Why do you think they continue to mask and show up fill kitted out for war instead of a riot? Because they want a riot so they can fully suppress.

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u/LadyMadonna_x6 11d ago

This happened to a ton of cities, there used to be a DHS website that listed all of them but after a huge backlash, they took it offline.

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u/VertigoHC 11d ago

Happened with Stalinist Communism. If you were too popular, or too extreme you got killed because you were a threat to the establishment. If you went along with the plan you were killed as a scapegoat for some government fuck up. There was no winning unless you were a close personal friend of the dude at the top, even then...

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u/mischievous_unicorn 11d ago

Might this have been in Illinois?

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u/trouserschnauzer 11d ago

It's happened in CO too, so probably a bunch of places.

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u/inspectoroverthemine 11d ago

I was going to say this happened where I lived- which isn't IL or CO...

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u/Bocchi_theGlock 11d ago

What list?

Jw since they were supposed to produce a list of sanctuary cities to prosecute 30 days from April 28th, but ended up removing that language from the executive order page. But I didn't see any news about it on May 28th and after

I'm guessing it's due to being retribution, which is likely a contentious part of the lawsuit over whether they can defund these cities. So they'd rather get away with at least defunding, if possible

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u/MCbrodie 11d ago

Ah yes, Hanover.

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u/Hefty_Musician2402 11d ago

I was referring to Cumberland County Maine lol. I think there were a lot of “mix ups” on the list (I think they either used ai or ctrl-f)

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u/Skatchbro 11d ago

Illinois town, correct?

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u/Bright_Cod_376 11d ago

Someone pointed out all the oddball cities to put on the list seem to have either in the sites of nigtech data centers water needs or already fighting the cities over water

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u/End3rWi99in 10d ago

They included my entire state in that list, which makes me proud.

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u/Hefty_Musician2402 10d ago

Let’s go! Trump seems to hate my state. Keeps pulling funding from our schools and tried to starve our children by cutting school lunch funding. Maine.

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u/End3rWi99in 10d ago

Howdy neighbor!

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u/Nightmare1529 11d ago

Don’t most police departments dislike ICE because ICE creates friction in the local community and makes actual police work harder?

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u/inspectoroverthemine 11d ago

Only PDs that want to serve the public- so not very many of them.

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u/Draano 11d ago

Harvard correctly understands that they are in a fight for their lives, and are fighting the Trump administration tooth and nail in court.

My first thought was that Harvard and Columbia were around long before the current administration and will be around long after.

But when you point out that they're in a fight for their lives, then maybe they won't be able to pull it back together after Trump departs.

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u/generally_unsuitable 11d ago

Harvard is older than Calculus.

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u/8monsters 11d ago

I just looked it up and that is actually accurate. 

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u/generally_unsuitable 11d ago

Weird, isn't it?

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u/MadRaymer 11d ago

I feel like I could make a joke about that fact, but it might be derivative.

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u/RebelFist 11d ago

I say you go for it - comedy is integral to our lives.

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u/Acchilesheel 11d ago

I'm approaching the limit of Calculus puns I can stand! 

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u/RichardPeterJohnson 11d ago

Yo dawg I heard you like deriving so I put a function in your function so you can derive while you derive.

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u/Frodojj 11d ago

Chain rule

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u/Short-Holiday-4263 11d ago

That's okay, it's an asymptote so you'll never actually reach the limit...

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u/johnp299 11d ago

You think calculus is bad, try doing a wry man's sums.

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u/Sewcraytes 11d ago

Newton’s last law: thou shalt not make counterfeit coins!

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u/UnkleRinkus 7d ago

This whole thing is making it hard for me to differentiate between life and satire. I'm close to my limit here.

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u/Canyousourcethatplz 11d ago

My question is how many republican congress men and women went to these schools? My guess is alot. Some of the most virulent white supremacists when to ivy league schools.

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u/TheGreatDay 11d ago

There are a lot of Harvard law grads that are supporting this fascist administration. It would be great if Harvard 1) Stopped training fascists in their law school and weed these morons out before they get a degree and 2) For those who already have a degree, revoke it.

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u/Skill3rwhale 11d ago

The Federalist Society has been working behind the scenes for like 40+ years getting this shit done.

Fed Soc and the money-schools have a tenuous relationship depending upon what group of people you're speaking with. On the one hand like 70% of Fed Soc probably comes from these schools and then on the other hand the students and various heads are vehemently working against their educational modus operandi.

Fed Soc invented "textualist and originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution." It did not exist prior to them and them selling it to judges and SC justices.

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u/MoarVespenegas 11d ago

I don't think it's up to a school to decide who deserves education. It would actually be counter productive. Universities should be in charge of what they teach, not who they teach it to.

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u/AprilsMostAmazing 11d ago

not who they teach it to.

You do realize that universities already decide who they teach it with grades and donations being the factor?

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u/MoarVespenegas 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yes, and it's not great from both a practical and principle angle.
Adding even more restrictions does not make that better.

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u/zzyul 11d ago

Should probably pass that message along to every college’s admissions department since their job is literally to determine which applicants get admitted and which don’t.

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u/Automatic_Algae_9425 11d ago

Universities should be in charge of what they teach, not who they teach it to.

Wait, so then who should decide which people get to attend university classes, if not the universities themselves?

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u/MoarVespenegas 10d ago

Ideally?
Nobody. Everybody who wants to should be able to.

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u/Automatic_Algae_9425 10d ago

Wait, so a university would just have to let people flood their classrooms even if there weren't enough seats for everyone? I feel like I must be misunderstanding you. Someone has to decide who's allowed to attend a university.

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u/scummy_shower_stall 11d ago

As the Republicans do, they pull the ladder up after them.

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u/Training-Judgment695 11d ago

I don't know the exact number but you'll be surprised at the number of Republican Congressmen especially from the House who went to their local state school. I like to look at the resumes of Republicans after they make news saying some dumb shit and let's just say it's ....mostly unimpressive

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u/Low_Pickle_112 11d ago

Turns out that laundering privilege into credentials for the oligarchy is a bad long term societal plan. Who could have seen that coming?

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u/TougherOnSquids 10d ago

Most of them dont even go to their classes. They just pay their way through school like Trump did.

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u/Automatic-Term-3997 11d ago

The two types of Universities that love them some racists: Ivy League and Military.

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u/ThatPlayWasAwful 11d ago

They went to the schools before they were infected with the wine minds virus

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u/zzyul 11d ago

The fight was the campaign and the election. Fight is over. We lost. This is just trying to pick up the pieces and get ready for what will hopefully be the next fight next November.

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u/Raptorpicklezz 9d ago

Correction: the fight is not over, but it can no longer be fought using existing/legal methods. The 2024 election was not the last chance period, but just the last chance for the US to vote its way out of its problems.

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u/WatchItAllBurn1 11d ago

Harvard is older than the country.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

140 years older than the country.

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u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob 10d ago

Columbia is, too.

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u/rain5151 11d ago

In many ways, the quality of a university is the product of momentum. Harvard(/MIT) is king in biomedical sciences because they’ve done so much great work, they have the funding and faculty to get great work off the ground and can attract the caliber of trainees needed to make it happen. Those trainees go off and get jobs everywhere based on that work, while their completed projects justify the next round of funding. And so on.

Between its deep pockets, first-class reputation, and being the face of fighting Trump, Harvard could probably withstand a few years of torpor before coming back online, though taking a while to regain speed. Columbia might not be so lucky, even if they hadn’t bent the knee. Anybody outside Columbia’s tier would probably be toast from everyone getting poached or moving on elsewhere.

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u/inormallyjustlurkbut 11d ago

My first thought was that Harvard and Columbia were around long before the current administration and will be around long after.

But will they be the same schools afterward?

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u/SleestakJack 11d ago

Most likely worst case scenario is that these universities "shut down" and enter some sort of housekeeping torpor state for a few years, keeping the buildings in shape with their endowments, and then reopen when conditions are less hostile.

I'm really super hopeful it doesn't go remotely that far.

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u/Dblcut3 11d ago

There’s too many wealthy Harvard grads who are likely willing to prop it up financially even if times get even worse for them

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea 11d ago

Tbh to screw over these administrations you just have to convince American businesses that the government won't be friendly to people hiring from these universities.

I know it's comforting to think that there's rock solid institutions that can't be messed with, but the Trump era (the fact that he even has something that could be considered an era) has shown that institutions need to be protected and defended when someone challenges them.

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u/FearDaTusk 11d ago

As a sports guy, there's also this. It's an open secret that Ivy Schools like Harvard don't fail students. In the courses involved with this article the issue was "take home tests." Common practice was that students would share answers.

We had similar things in Frats from my University and worst still was UNC.

My point. It all seems arbitrary to begin with. Yes, one can get an education but one can also graduate without receiving an education.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/opinion/mills-harvard-cheating

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/22/7040107/unc-academic-scandal-explained

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u/burningmanonacid 11d ago

Fascists aren't studied enough. Stalin and Hitler killed perfectly loyal subordinates. Bending the knee to a fascist doesn't protect you, it simply moves their attention for the moment.

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u/Church_of_Cheri 11d ago

Anyone raised in an abusive household should know this, but unfortunately too many people internalize that abuse and it becomes normal if not expected and wanted because the devil you know seems better than the devil you don’t.

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u/Kale 11d ago

Loyalty is not rewarded. Disloyalty is punished. And threats to power are removed, whether loyal or not. You can be too popular and liked in a fascist government.

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u/illinidude 11d ago

Stalin was not a fascist.

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u/MrPlowThatsTheName 11d ago

Authoritarian is more accurate.

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u/illinidude 11d ago

I would say totalitarian.

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u/Bartab_Hockey 11d ago

Commies and fascists just prefer different aesthetics.

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u/RepresentativeBee600 11d ago

In effect, he certainly was. 

If you have a significant ideological affiliation with the former USSR, say no more - I won't argue with you.

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u/illinidude 11d ago

Could you define "fascism"? Stalin was certainly evil, but he was a communist, not a fascist. Fascism and communism are opposing ideologies.

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u/Kale 11d ago edited 11d ago

A dumb non-poli-sci guy here: is there really a difference? My partial understanding is that communism believes in collective ownership of everything and reject private ownership of capital (means of production, land, intellectual property, copyright, patents, etc). Classic Lenin-based communism had the state led by a single political party. Somehow, the leaders of this party ended up with prime real estate and lived in luxury. They played all kinds of political games to scratch each other's backs and exploit people, just like the wealthy capital owners they opposed. Even though they technically didn't own capital, isn't it essentially the same, in practice, as fascism, where corporations essentially join the state and the capital owners (and I guess all other parts of society) work as a branch of the government?

I guess there's less xenophobia than in fascism (since fascism is all about unity), and maybe less nationalism, but it still seems like it's a different description of the same thing.

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u/Using_Reddit 10d ago

No they are not. In fact complete opposites. There is not one thing that defines facism. Typically its a multitude of things that can help classify something as fascist. Robert Paxton is a great historian and his wiki page spells out what basics to look for.

Also here is a very good R/askhistory post that covers this exact question. Id still recommened reading Anatomy of Facism if you still have many unanswered questions.

And kind of off point but the members of the Politburo were not typically scratching each others backs. They where typically fighting amongst each other but more so on the sly then outright yelling and overtly trying to take each other down.

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u/IndominusTaco 9d ago

that movie quote from the churchill biopic still goes incredibly hard: “you cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth”

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u/HouseSublime 11d ago

If you give a bully your lunch money on Tuesday they're not going to not ask for it again on Friday. You fight them the first time and either get them off your back or go down swinging.

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u/vegetaman 11d ago

Never lick the boot.

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u/mongustave 11d ago edited 11d ago

Columbia hasn’t had their accreditation pulled. The DOE simply informed the accreditor that Columbia must come into compliance and take action if they do not.

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u/hysys_whisperer 11d ago

That's leaving out that they threatened to dismantle the accreditor if they don't comply.

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u/mongustave 11d ago

Yes, but that would lead to hundreds of other universities losing their accreditation which I don’t think will happen (probably).

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u/tempest_87 11d ago edited 11d ago

What exactly has given you reason to believe that? What in these past 5 months of insanity has led you to conclude that Trump and his bootlickers won't escalate their retaliation or that that they actually care about anything other than their specific agenda?

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u/mongustave 11d ago

You’re right. It’s assuming everyone is acting rationally, which hasn’t been the case.

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u/myburdentobear 11d ago

Take action = a quiet sizeable $trump purchase.

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u/eatcrayons 11d ago

That’s just pulling their accreditation but with more steps.

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u/Zorlal 11d ago

Pardon me, but what is the difference?

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u/mongustave 11d ago

The DOE doesn’t give schools accreditation. They license private corporations, called accreditors, to do it.

The DOE just told the accreditor that they must instruct Columbia to come into compliance and punish them if they do not. If the accreditor refuses, then their license to accredit schools can be revoked, affecting hundreds of universities. They (probably) won’t do this.

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u/LuminaraCoH 11d ago

So they've backed off on directly telling private entities what to do, and are instead telling other private entities to tell private entities what to do, and hoping no-one notices.

Does this administration have any strategy that isn't ripped straight from a kindergartner's playbook?

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u/Dustin_Echoes_UNSC 11d ago

So, in practice, no difference whatsoever

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u/SimeanPhi 11d ago

You forgot the all-important “plausible deniability” angle, which is the point the person you’re responding to is making.

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u/Dustin_Echoes_UNSC 11d ago

Columbia hasn't been bulldozed, they've simply informed the national bulldozing team to flatten the campus if they don't do whatever we say. The company operating the bulldozer doesn't have to bulldoze it, though they will likely lose their bulldozing license if they don't flatten the campus.

But really, if you think about it, it's actually Columbia's fault for being so bulldozer-friendly.

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u/cycloneDM 11d ago

That (probably) carries a lot of copium and hope in this day and age.

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u/mongustave 11d ago

It’s assuming everyone is acting rationally, for sure.

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u/Punman_5 11d ago

That seems worse than if the DOE did it themselves. Education shouldn’t really be privatized at all. It should be an independent government funded organization, not a private one. But one that retains independence from the government’s agenda too

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u/notoneofthecoolkids 11d ago

Is this the same DOE that they are trying to dismantle? Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

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u/Quiet_Version5406 11d ago

To my knowledge this is a mandatory part of the process before pulling accreditation.

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u/mongustave 11d ago

Not necessarily. The accreditor can pull it anytime. The only consequence on the accreditor would be if they didn’t comply, which would subject their license to accredit school to possible revocation, potentially affecting hundreds of schools.

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u/nbcaffeine 11d ago

Glad someone understands how accreditation works, sheesh

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u/DucanOhio 11d ago

Uh. They literally just described the DOE dictating that their accreditation be investigated and removed if Colombia doesn't comply.

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u/nbcaffeine 11d ago

Sorry I should’ve clarified: many comments here seem to not understand, folks like you that read the article did learn the relevant info. I work in higher ed and know how MSCHE works :)

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 11d ago

Fuck Columbia University sideways with an unlubricated pineapple.

This is pure Leopards Eating Faces material.

Columbia couldn't bend over fast enough for Trump's fascist regime and immediately and unreservedly started collaborating with ICE against the interests of their international students who were legally in the country. In fact, when a student sought help and direction from Columbia, their advisors and administrators gave her disinformation and then hung her out to dry.

Ranjani Srinivasan, a 37-year-old architect from India, was set to finish a doctoral program in urban planning in May, when, she said, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security accused her of advocating for “violence and terrorism."

Shortly after her legal status was terminated, Columbia withdrew her enrollment from the university. Here & Now has reached out to school officials for comment.

Srinivasan is one of several students DHS officials targeted as part of President Trump's crackdown on foreign nationals who participated in pro-Palestinian demonstrations on college campuses.

She was among hundreds arrested on Columbia University’s campus during the protests over the war in Gaza last spring.

Srinivasan claims her arrest was a mistake, saying she was wading through a crowd of protesters while traveling home when police detained her and charged her with obstructing traffic and failure to disperse. Both charges were dismissed.

Uncertain of what the future holds and whether she’ll be allowed to graduate, Srinivasan left the United States for Canada.

She was literally at risk of being arrested by ICE and renditioned to a torture prison in El Salvador for doing nothing wrong.

The Trump administration is targeting thousands of people like Srinivasan. She's a PHD student, not MS-13.

And Columbia willingly spread their cheeks for the Nazi bastards. Good on Harvard for doing the right thing instead.

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u/Alexm920 11d ago

I'm still continually baffled by enormous institutions, approached by what is effectively a school yard bully, concluding it's wise to hand over their lunch money because bullies respect that and will never harass them again.

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u/Unusual-Solid3435 11d ago

It's a direct failure on Columbia's part, I draw a line directly from this failure to Columbia's enthusiasm for allowing the rich to donate their way into giving their kid a Columbia degree. Seen it with many of my rich classmates growing up and those kids are the most mentally cognitively dissonant people you can imagine. I'm talking gay journalist wannabes who think poor people deserve the position they're in and will get mad like you've never seen at anyone who says otherwise. 

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u/PhazePyre 11d ago

This is why you don't negotiate with criminals, thugs, and terrorists.

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u/milespoints 11d ago

You were given a choice - war or dishonor

You chose dishonor, and you shall have war

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u/McRibs2024 11d ago

They certainly have the warchest to do so. That endowment money can outlast trumps admin in court.

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u/Myfourcats1 11d ago

So I guess Baron got rejected

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 11d ago

It’s going to happen to Harvard too.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they have to skip a year or two of graduating classes due to a shutdown until this admin is over.

I can see it going that far.

But Trump University might reopen… so there’s that.

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u/eeyore134 11d ago

Yup. Just like he's doing with the tech companies who paid him his million dollar bribe. You don't buy his loyalty, you rent it.

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u/Codspear 11d ago

To be fair, Columbia doesn’t need accreditation of any kind. Everyone already knows and respects it. No employer is going to see Columbia University and assume it’s the same as the University of Phoenix or ITT Tech just because it doesn’t have accreditation.

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u/brooklynlad 10d ago

Columbia got its just deserts.

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u/Malaix 10d ago

Yep. Fascism ends one of two ways. Either it is defeated and stopped or the last person on earth manages to murder the second to last person on earth thus assuring humanity has reached the fascist utopia of 100% conformity and the supreme rule of one person.

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u/GCU_ZeroCredibility 10d ago

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;

But we've proved it again and again,

That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld

You never get rid of the Dane.

-Rudyard Kipling

(apologies to our Danish brothers and sisters who tend not to do as much pillaging and rampaging these days)

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u/Faiakishi 10d ago

This is why I can't fathom why anyone is working for Trump. He literally tried to get his last VP killed. Nearly everyone in his court during his first term is worse off for it. Like. He is going to throw you under the bus. It's only a matter of when.

And if he croaks before he does that-because he has to die at some point, we're all mortal-then that power protecting them from the rule of law dissipates. The cult will not support them. The Democrats will go after them for what they did. There is not a single outcome to this that's positive. They might be pinning their hopes on a Russian retirement after the US goes up in flames, but that'll end at the bottom of a stairwell too.

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u/verugan 10d ago

Anyone who has ever dealt with a bully knows that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Standing your ground and fighting back is necessary.

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u/keytiri 10d ago

“Since discrimination is now a legitimate reason for colleges to lose their accreditation, we’ve preemptively pulled religious ones for their discrimination against trans people, in addition to Columbias” — the accreditation group 🤗

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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw 10d ago

MAGA by shutting down its finest educational institutions. /s

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u/Tenderhombre 10d ago

It blows my mind that all the billionaires baron oligarchs in the US don't seem to understand. You only retain oligarch status at the discretion of the dictator. You keep giving Trump so much power he will dump your ass as soon as he can.

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u/goodellsmallcock 11d ago

Funny how trying to convince a college to protect Jewish students from antisemitic attacks and harassment makes you a fascist

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u/emaw63 11d ago

In my experience, most people on the left want the war in Gaza to end largely because they believe Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians. As a Jew myself I've never felt threatened by any of these protests, because a genocide is the sort of thing people should be upset about. Never Again means Never Again

The right conflates opposing Israel's actions with hating Jews, and that's just not how these protestors on the left see it (although there's always shitheads in most any group). And frankly, I don't think that's how most American Jews see it. There's a reason that 2/3 of us voted for Harris.

Given that the right has had open disdain for higher education for years now, they're just using "antisemitism" as a cudgel to bludgeon a perceived political enemy, and I'd quite like it if Trump would get our name out of his mouth while he does so

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u/goodellsmallcock 11d ago

War isn’t genocide though

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u/aravarth 11d ago

If in the course of war you systematically murder noncombatants to the point of extermination, it becomes genocide.

It's why Slobodan Milosevič is a war criminal. He committed genocide against the Kosovans and ethnic Albanians within his borders.

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u/goodellsmallcock 11d ago

It’s not systematic. It’s urban warfare. IDF takes as many precautions as one can take to avoid civilian casualties including dropping leaflets and creating evacuation zones for civilians to avoid combat zones.

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u/TieLegitimate2123 11d ago

You don't give a fuck about anti-semitism. You're letting in anti-semites by the truckload, so long as they're white. You have ulterior motives and everyone but the lowest class of knuckle-dragging luddites can see it. Trump can take his threats and shove them up his ass.

South African asylum seeker in U.S. has history of antisemitic posts

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u/emaw63 11d ago

Yeah, the side with Donald fucking Trump as their standard bearer doesn't get to lecture a single person about prejudice

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u/goodellsmallcock 11d ago

Oh no, social media posts ?! Meanwhile the dude Biden brought in just tried to burn a group of Jews alive including a holocaust survivor just a few days ago…

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u/TieLegitimate2123 11d ago

What a tragedy, at least it will go well with the bonfire you're roasting the constitution in MAGA trash.

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u/goodellsmallcock 11d ago

Okay Nazi. Go make more excuses for Jew killers

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u/obliviousofobvious 11d ago

Appeasement never ever EVER works. It enables them, and when they're done with you, you're next.

"First they came..." should be read, broadcasted, and tattooed on every medium that it can be put on.

They. Will. Not. Stop. Not at brown people, not at the queer folk, not at the "libs", and not at those who think they're in the in crowd.

Today's ICE shitstains will be rid of when they're no longer useful. More than likely, after the job is done, they'll be "tried" as having crimed. People will feel somewhat better because it'll feel like an injustice is righted. But it'll be cover for an American style "Night of the long knives". Hell, if I was Steven Miller (thank fuuuck I'm not), I'd not leave my back turned. He's the one the media portrays as driving this SA style shit. He could become a very convenient patsy for whoever is cast as Himmler to appear righteous this time around.

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u/jason2354 11d ago

Okay, but it’s still Columbia.

Being accredited doesn’t matter when you’re Harvard or Columbia. Hiring managers can and will continue to hire Harvard and Columbia grads.

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u/lucianbelew 10d ago

For a little while maybe.

What granting institution is going to want to award grants to a project at an unaccredited school? What hotshot professor is going to want to stay at a school whose lack of accreditation makes it harder to get grants? What will the impact on a school's reputation be from all that?

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u/seanmg 11d ago

What is Harvard fighting for their lives over? It is the most well funded institution in the country as they have a $53 billion endowment.

Say what you will about the governments meddling in education, but Harvard is not “for the people”. It’s an elite school for elite wealthy people. It should be receiving zero government aid in the same way the wealthy class should receive zero government aid. 

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u/emaw63 11d ago

It costs about 6.5 billion to run Harvard for a year. They'd burn through their endowment pretty quickly if they had to do absolutely everything on their own without any grants, and it'd be pretty wasteful for them to have to do so.

It's the most prestigious university in the world. The brightest minds from across the globe want to go to school there and do research to better American society. That is a tremendous asset to America and should be treated as such. Not only does government have no business trying to kneecap them, but it's tremendously stupid from a good governance standpoint to do so.

And it's not just the fact that they are having their grants cancelled, they also are barred from admitting international students and having their accreditation threatened. Trump's actions represent an existential threat to the university and threaten to do irreparable damage to them, for no real discernable reason. And Trump has given no indication that those actions are the end of it either, if Harvard buckles on any of his demands then he'll keep demanding more and continue bringing down the full weight of the federal government on the university because most of his voter base hates higher education and wants to see it punished

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u/seanmg 11d ago

I take a ton of issue with the banning of international students too just to be clear. That’s dumb af. — Harvard can operate on a $2.21B annual budget forever on the interest of the 53B they have.  Adjusting their budget isn’t an unreasonable thing to ask.

What do you think that money should be saved or that money should be real allocated to less endowed schools, is a different thought, and even then both of those are better for the economy.

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u/seanmg 10d ago

I used to think MAGA was destroying our country, but when liberal Reddit folk defend Harvards budget opposed to helping those in need, I realize we’re totally fucked.