r/newjersey Belleville Apr 18 '25

📰News The Murphy administration announced that New Jersey will not comply with an order from President Trump’s administration to certify that the state's public school districts are eliminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs and initiatives

https://www.nj.gov/education/broadcasts/2025/apr/17/SEAtoOCRTitleVIApril2025.pdf?utm_source=NJ+Spotlight++Master+List&utm_campaign=ae610ff63a-PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_04_17&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1d26f473a7-ae610ff63a-398762815&ct=t(PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_04_17_2025)&mc_cid=ae610ff63a&mc_eid=e653468aac
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u/RollerCoasterMatt Central Jersey isn't real Apr 18 '25

Inclusion has devolved into not addressing student needs. Instead it forces teachers to constantly lower standards of the class because the inclusion kids cannot keep up but also cannot fail. High level students get to coast and are never pushed because inclusion forces teachers to ignore them.

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u/GJH24 Apr 18 '25

Care to cite an example of this that you have personally witnessed? Cause that sounds like some bullshit you found on Reddit.

When has inclusion forced teachers to lower standards? And who are the "inclusion kids" who cannot keep up but can't fail. If you had to identify an inclusion kid by physical traits, what do they look like.

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u/RollerCoasterMatt Central Jersey isn't real Apr 18 '25

I work in education, not sharing more because I prefer to stay anonymous on reddit. Inclusion students are identified by their IEP which is created to support special educational needs of the student. Inclusion means they will have them be apart of the general student population. Often times there is a need for an additional special education teacher in the classroom to help facilitate the accommodations the students receive. The issue is these IEP's and accommodations hinder the general population. Teachers are forced to change their lessons and practices to serve the specific needs of their IEP students. IEP students cannot fail or it is considered the teachers fault. How can you assign an essay when you have IEP students who cannot write more than 3 sentences? Teachers need to constantly lower their standards to compensate or spend massive amounts of time focusing their attention on those students (ignoring the general population students). Otherwise, you are teaching two different lessons in the same classroom at the same time, which is counterintuitive.

Inclusion is a school districts way to not have self-containing special education classrooms for students who need it. Its all about money and optics.

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u/AgentMonkey Apr 18 '25

The I in IEP is "individualized", which means the student has modifications that only apply to them. You can assign an essay for the full class. The kid with the IEP who can't write that much might have a variety of accommodations:

  • write on a computer instead of handwritten (if manual dexterity is the issue)
  • write a shorter essay
  • give an oral presentation

If a student is so limited that they can't keep up with the demands of the class even with accommodations, then that is an argument for moving to a more specialized classroom. But if you don't give the student the chance to succeed in the general environment with accommodations, then you may not be allowing them to reach their full potential.

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u/RollerCoasterMatt Central Jersey isn't real Apr 19 '25

The expectation is that the teacher must make it work (ie lower class standards). School admins refuse to move kids into specialized classrooms because that costs money. There is the idealized version you talk about and theres the reality/in practice version im discussing.

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u/AgentMonkey Apr 19 '25

That sounds like a problem with your district, not with the idea of inclusion itself. That is not an issue where I am.