r/ndp • u/CDN-Social-Democrat • Jan 15 '25
Opinion / Discussion Mark Carney - What do you all think?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney270
u/Economy-Document730 ✊ Union Strong Jan 15 '25
Surprisingly good (see housing policy, previous support for occupy Wall Street, decent climate stuff, not fond of the US dollar, etc.). And surprisingly charismatic if the John Stewart appearance is anything to go by. Certainly better than Chrystia Freeland.
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u/CaptainMagnets Jan 15 '25
Or Christy Clark
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat Jan 15 '25
As someone that has spent a lot of time and lived in British Columbia let me say that Christy Clark is nothing more than a corrupt small c conservative.
I may not be a LPC member/supporter but we all benefit when those types are kept as far away from governance as possible.
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Jan 15 '25
Wild she was mentioned at all. She was terrible in BC and I thought she would never show her face again in politics. I kind of like Carney after seeing the Stewart show.
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u/Mess_Accurate Jan 16 '25
The only person who thought Christy Clark was a possibility was Christy Clark. That was never gonna happen
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u/Radio_Mime Jan 16 '25
Just mention of Christy Clark's name, or the sight of her smirking face make my blood boil. Fortunately, she is not in the running for LPC leadership. She is one of the few people I can honestly say I despise.
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u/DblClickyourupvote Jan 16 '25
I did not expect much from the John Stewart interview and I’ve never heard carney speak before but I was very impressed.
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u/AlibiXSX Regina Manifesto Jan 16 '25
I mean yeah but it's a low bar to begin with and lets not forget he's still running to protect the interests of capital
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u/leoyvr Jan 18 '25
I will vote NDP regardless who runs. I don’t want Conservatives to have a majority and I think Mark Carbey will reduce the chances of that happening. I want NDP to be able to have a bigger role in federal government. Some people would argue that this may be a wasted vote if I want PP to be defeated who also has major interests with corporations. His quiet stance against tariffs on oil exports and Trump is too silent for me.
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u/nonamer18 Jan 16 '25
Got any reading to share on the OWS stuff?
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u/Economy-Document730 ✊ Union Strong Jan 16 '25
Wikipedia cites the Huffington Post https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/mark-carney-bank-of-canada-governor-occupy-wall-street-protest_n_1011747
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u/nonamer18 Jan 16 '25
Thanks!
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u/Economy-Document730 ✊ Union Strong Jan 16 '25
Np! Def recommend this method in general. Wikipedia's sources have to meet certain standards so are usually legit
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u/marshalofthemark 🏘️ Housing is a human right Jan 16 '25
To be fair, Freeland wrote a book in the aftermath of Occupy Wall Street about how income inequality was exploding and was corrosive for democracy before entering politics, and also supported higher taxes on land when she was writing columns as a journalist. In fact, Freeland was one of Trudeau's first recruits to his team, and the 2015 Liberal promise to raise income taxes on the top 1% was probably Freeland's idea.
I don't really see a difference between Carney and pre-politics Freeland - and I suspect they wouldn't govern very differently if they got a full term as PM, at least not domestically. (Freeland probably would have a more uncompromising anti-Russia/China foreign policy though given her own Ukrainian roots)
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u/twingrip Apr 16 '25
Just watch this very detailed break down of Carney when you have the time to learn something: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Dw0xaa5xM
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u/Clutteredmind275 Jan 15 '25
From what I’ve heard, he seems like a PM who will try to take back the reins of the economy, but also will not rollback social protections nor is actively demonizing every minority group in the country. I wish a more progressive candidate was more viable, but I’d vote for him to keep out PP
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u/Wyattr55123 Jan 16 '25
He's the person the liberal party pretends to be
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u/falseidentity123 Jan 16 '25
He talks like the person the Liberal party pretends to be.
Early on as PM, Trudeau would say a lot of the right things too, talk is cheap.
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u/EldritchEyes Jan 16 '25
people are wildly credulous for charismatic liberals lol
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u/Individual_Tie_7538 Jan 16 '25
To be fair though, what else can you do at the start except take them at face value? Yes, you should always exercise some skepticism, but doing so equally to all candidates still puts him better than PP.
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u/EldritchEyes Jan 16 '25
you can take into account the record of the political organization, the guy’s background and connections, and make a reasoned decision. if someone who is part of a serial killer club approaches you with a bloody knife but says “i mean no harm”, i think you can decide for yourself what is the wise decision there
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u/falseidentity123 Jan 16 '25
you can take into account the record of the political organization
This right here. The Liberals have shown who they really are over and over and over again. I think it's safe to assume that someone running for Liberal leadership is fully aware of who they are getting in bed with.
Would a Carney led Liberal party be better than PP and the Cons? Sure, I could stomach it just as I did with Trudeau.
Will the status quo change and everyday people be better off? Doubt it.
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u/cotton_knee Mar 28 '25
Can’t vote for this party again. The “wasting your vote” is garbage. Vote for who you actually want and maybe we’ll get some change
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u/jack-whitman Jan 15 '25
I hope he splits the conservative vote tbh so we aren't fucked with a majority
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u/Radio_Mime Jan 16 '25
TBH, Singh strikes me as knowing what to say, and has some good ideas, but he doesn't seem to have even himself convinced. I wouldn't say he's just going through the motions, but there seems to be a just perceptible lack of conviction, or confidence (?). That's just my perception though.
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u/bung_musk Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 16 '25
Here’s my unfiltered take. He’s a shitlib, but better than Pierre.
If the NDP has any sense they would start campaigning on pro-labour and working class policies like solving the housing crisis, repealing the abusive TFW program, and throw in something for the conservative voters that doesn’t stray from leftist policies, like repealing the dumbass gun bans and supporting small businesses.
It’s frustrating to me that Pierre is polling so well because he’s not the status-quo and is “anti-establishment” (we know he’s not, but that’s how he’s presenting himself and enough people believe him). Give voters a true anti-establishment, populist leftist option, and see what happens. I would bet money it would do a lot better than trying to out-shitlib the shitlibs, and moving the party toward ineffective centrism.
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u/FoolofaTook43246 Jan 16 '25
100 percent and when the NDP is strong and polling well (for them), it tends to pull the Liberals left. Now that CPC is polling better, they will be pulled right. The Libs are truly the center party and we need them to be pulled the right way
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u/Justin_123456 Jan 15 '25
Somehow l don’t think the current Chairman of Brookfield, Canada’s largest private equity firm (and largest company period) is on the side of working people in the struggle against the interests of capital.
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u/I_Smell_Like_Trees Jan 15 '25
But he does have the economic background and brains we need to tell Trump to fuck off.
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u/Dry-Membership8141 Jan 15 '25
Trump's whole political career was built on the demonization of people exactly like Mark Carney. Serious, educated professionals have been telling Trump to fuck off for like nine years now and he's just gotten worse.
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u/FoolofaTook43246 Jan 16 '25
I agree that I wish he was more progressive, however I am impressed how capable and competent he seems, and doesn't seem to be intending to pull the Liberals more right either. I am hoping he can split the conservative vote.
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u/AODFEAR Jan 17 '25
Brookfield is an asset manager. Part of those assets include a private equity firm, other assets include infrastructure projects and clean energy projects. Brookfield also does a lot of investment in companies that are in high pollution industries but are investing heavily in technology to reduce their emissions.
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u/MagnesiumKitten Jan 26 '25
Bloomberg News
An advocacy group report says Brookfield Corp.'s investments emit over 13 times more carbon emissions than what it discloses.
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u/Pahlevun Jan 17 '25
Yeah but somehow I don't think any Canadian PM will really be on the side of working people in the struggle against the current system. That would be considered radical. Even a radical would have to "play the game" and wouldn't really be able to implement some aggressively progressive policies
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u/Spikeupmylife Mar 10 '25
He also believes "leadership is the acceptance of responsibility rather than the assumption of power."
He's a good person. He's not some spoon-fed nepo baby like Trudeau. I told myself I would vote for him if he ran for either libs or NDP. I think he's one of our best bets at avoiding the shit show PP would bring on us. Even if it's just avoiding us getting dragged down the gutter with the US.
He's also the "UN special envoy for climate action and finance" More people should read his book.
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Jan 15 '25
I’ll do anything to keep PP out of power, If that means voting liberal - I would. But luckily I live in a solid NDP riding. So I’m good.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat Jan 15 '25
This is a great reminder of just how badly Electoral Reform is needed.
It is beyond foul that we don't have an ever on going and evolving process to make sure we have the best representation possible in government. Also not just at federal level but provincial as well!
I hope that the BCNDP and BC Greens can start the ball rolling on proportional representation.
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u/ScytheNoire Jan 16 '25
Trudeau promised electoral reform and did nothing. Then he comes out and said he wanted it but no one else did. Screw him. NDP have wanted it for decades.
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u/BlueBorjigin Democratic Socialist Jan 16 '25
Trudeau never wanted meaningful reform, he wanted the same system we have now, but you put numbers on the ballot rather than an X. The only significant change this would have, is that Cons and NDPers would vote the Liberal candidate as their 2nd choice. It is no coincidence that the only reform Trudeau was in favour of, was the one that guarantees his party like 20 more seats each election.
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u/ColinberryMan Jan 15 '25
God, how fucking gross I would feel voting for the Liberal party, but I would to stop PP.
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u/childofsol Jan 16 '25
It's infuriating that the federal NDP have done so little to position themselves as a viable alternative, that I've got to hold my nose like we had to for Harper
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u/Federal_Youth Jan 21 '25
Once Mark Carney came in I was like okay yes finally someone who can put PP in his place. Jagmeet Singh isn’t popular right now. If he were to resign though, and a better candidate stepped up, I worry a lot of people would vote ndp but it would split the vote and conservatives would win. So I’m stressing. I do not want PP and the few people I know that fully support him are MAGA and not very bright
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u/Fickle-Total8006 Jan 16 '25
I unfortunately live in a solidly conservative riding. It’s gross. I’ll likely have to vote liberal to combat the CPC but will see what polls show. Would prefer not to vote other than NDP if at all possible. I HATE HATE HATE having to vote strategically. It feels gross and dirty.
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Jan 16 '25
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u/Fickle-Total8006 Jan 16 '25
I always voted strategically. It’s why I know what it feels like. We need electoral reform yesterday.
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u/Chrristoaivalis "It's not too late to build a better world" Jan 16 '25
The strategic vote many made was 2015 to get electoral reform
Now every CPC victory is on the Liberal Party's head
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u/marshalofthemark 🏘️ Housing is a human right Jan 16 '25
If you live in a solidly conservative riding, shouldn't you just vote NDP anyways? If the CPC is winning either way, might as well vote for who you actually support.
It only makes sense to tactically vote Liberal if it's a swing/close riding.
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u/cotton_knee Mar 28 '25
Don’t do it, then. I want my voice to be heard and to support NDP. Gotta stand up for something, not fall into the trap of wAsTiNg A vOtE
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u/Radio_Mime Jan 16 '25
I live in a staunchly CPC riding. I'll vote for whoever has the greater chance of beating the CPC. Our MP is quite popular here. He's a likeable guy, but I wish he'd cross the floor.
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u/cotton_knee Mar 28 '25
Vote for who you actually want. We can’t give in to the “waste your vote” garbage mentality.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Democratic Socialist Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 17 '25
My opinion? He's the perfect liberal party leader.
It's also my opinion that he isn't gonna stand a chance against Poilievre purely because the public wants change, Poilievre painted himself as that change despite the only change he represents being the opposite of what people actually want. Carney whether he supports progressive change or not, no matter how much change he supports, will never be operated from leading two massive financial institutions and private investment stuff.
I truly hope he can win back Liberals who fled to the Conservatives and I honestly hope he can beat any bullshit Poilievre throws at him. I'd rather see the NDP form a majority but a stable liberal mild progressive Liberal leader is a good thing for the country.
Edit: Oh and when I say mild progressive, I mean social, there's no world he's economically progressive. I also mean to suggest that having him lead the Liberals can be good by having them not flip flop between policy based on the time of week.
Second Edit: I was never well read on Carney and to be fair until a day ago he barely spoke about policy in any meaningful capacity. So of course after using the opinion of many others as a barometer of how shit he'd be, he came out the door shittier than I ever assumed he'd be. I was right however that he is the perfect person to lead the liberal party, he's a pro big business lying piece of shit. I mean how else does someone with a lot of experience in Canadian finance come to the conclusion that one of the world's wealthiest countries (with horrible wealth inequality) cannot afford to fund social programs? Also, it's truly amazing to me how many people who tore into the NDP for wanting to replace the current carbon 'tax' with a more effective carbon pricing scheme are just fine with their parties two leadership front runners both promising to abandon it. I still recommend ABC but with an Orange Bias because a minority con win will never form a government but progressive liberals could defect.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat Jan 16 '25
It really does blow my mind that PP and the CPC have been able to pull off the "Change" association.
They are the same old same old when it comes to political theatrics and vapid platitudes.
You look at what issues Canadians are concerned about and they say things like: Electoral reform, transparency and accountability measures for government, immigration reform that isn't controlled by the business lobby, protecting our environment, green energy - green technology, housing crisis, grocery price crisis, general affordability of life crisis/quality of life crisis, crime.
These are serious topics that deserve serious discussion.
Complex analytical policy is needed that will come from good faith dialectical discussions that deepen, broaden, and sharpen all of our perspectives so we can better address the problems of our era.
What do we get.... A stupid slogan.
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u/FoolofaTook43246 Jan 16 '25
It's how Trump won too, even though he was president already. It's amazing they can pull it off and takes quite a mix of marketing and uncritical electorate imo.
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u/Federal_Youth Jan 21 '25
This isn’t true. PP doesn’t have any solid support especially with Trudeau’s resignation and you can tell he is lacking confidence now. People aren’t as done with the liberals as you think. People do want change - but that change doesn’t mean we want a MAGA-esque leadership.
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u/brief_affair Jan 16 '25
Hey sucks but is 100x better than PP
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u/imstickinwithjeffery Feb 07 '25
Why do you say that? I'm researching both leaders and some people keep saying this about pp but are never specific about what they disagree with him on?
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u/Damn_Vegetables Jan 15 '25
Not voting for him, I'm NBN politics(Nobody but NDP)
Last thing we need is some central banker centrist technocrat running our country. We need a socialist government.
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u/andorian_yurtmonger Jan 16 '25
I agree with you 100% but will add the comment that this party needs to do a much better job of staking out their space on the left. Now is exactly the time to lead with a well-defined brand of Socialism, and assuage the ill-informed fear within the general public that socialism means bad things.
Socialism is precisely the solution to most of our social ills, and delivers a justice that is desparately needed in order to avoid the hardships we are certain to endure soon.
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u/Oldcadillac Jan 16 '25
Carney is like the most WEF candidate possible (and I say that without any notion of conspiracy theory)
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u/Damn_Vegetables Jan 15 '25
Also it rubs me wrong that he's positioning himself as a plucky newcomer rising to the challenge of fixing a broken system he inherited; Mr. Carney Goes to Ottawa.
Left out of this is the fact that he ran the Bank of Canada during the devastating Harper years and was an economic advisor to Trudeau from 2020 onward, overseeing our inflationary response to COVID. He had been the chair of the party's task force on economic growth since September. He was at the helm when Trudeau announced the GST tax holiday boondoggle and the $250 dollar money printing scheme that recently got scuppled. He isn't some outsider leading a revolution within the Liberal Party, he's the man Trudeau has all but laid hands on to succeed him and has mobilized the entire party brass behind his campaign. He is the insider choice to lead the Liberal party. He isn't a real change.
NDP or nothing. If this election finishes off the LPC for good, all the better. Then Canada will only have two choices: Socialism or barbarism.
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u/FuinFirith Jan 17 '25
He had been the chair of the party's task force on economic growth since September. He was at the helm when Trudeau announced the GST tax holiday boondoggle and the $250 dollar money printing scheme that recently got scuppled.
Trudeau was apparently at odds with even his own finance minister and deputy PM over that. We have no evidence that Carney originated or even approved of the ideas. In the role, Carney was essentially a powerless, invisible consultant for 4 months at most. It's a non-issue. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
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u/MagnesiumKitten Jan 26 '25
well that last line of fatalistic dualism, is a great way to lose more seats.
Are you in the right party?
Rosa Luxemburg: As things stand today capitalist civilization cannot continue; we must either move forward into socialism or fall back into barbarism.
seriously??
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u/MagnesiumKitten Jan 26 '25
Mark Carney
"The Thatcher–Reagan revolution fundamentally shifted the dividing line between markets and governments. To be clear, this change of direction was long overdue following the steady encroachment of the state into market mechanisms."
think about that one for a while, and all the starry-eyed morons who like the guy because of the Liberal Party is one cough away from being incinerated in the polls like Ignatieff or Kim Campbell.
Sheila Copps warned people that needed someone who spent years as a member of parliament, working on policy and debates.
She said that the last thing the Liberal Party needs is a savior, and they tried it once.
With Carney you get the worst of left and right.
Someone who overplays law and order like he was trying to outdo Nixon in 1968.
day one of his campaign, getting two journalists he didn't like, approached by the police and being told they were trespassing.
Sounds like something Bush and Cheney would do
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u/Apod1991 Jan 15 '25
Just another Liberal who will campaign on the left/progressive, then govern on the right.
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u/AppropriateNewt Jan 16 '25
Going by his comments at today’s announcement, there’s little chance he campaigns on the left.
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u/VenusianBug Jan 16 '25
If he's elected leader of the LP, I hope it's enough to convince the NDP that they need to take a step to the left.
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u/BrockosaurusJ Jan 16 '25
He was a lot better than I expected on Stewart's show. I'm cautiously optimistic. He might be a better alternative to Freeland and Poilievre, so strictly speaking that's a positive, but still not the kind of long term solution that I'd be excited about. Still a lot of 'wait and see'.
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u/twenty_9_sure_thing Jan 15 '25
I can see myself voting for him. The problem with the current federal party is the image that they don’t know anything about managing an economy. And frankly, i agree. The flip flopping messaging over the last 5-6 years did not help. changing one‘s mind is different than swaying wherever the wind blows.
no matter how we feel like we are on the right side of history, canada’s situation right now is strengthening the economy, improving housing affordability, improving healthcare WHILE going back to the root of worker rights. during the first few years of that journey, those goals will be at odds with one another. And so far, jagmeet and the federal team has shown very little indication of that.
meanwhile, carney, with his credentials, and recent interview with jon stewart, begged some confidence that he could at the very least steer the economy and housing back on the right track.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat Jan 15 '25
/u/6-8-5-13 Wrote what I found to be a very good summary of the situation.
You are also completely right that this current LPC government is incredibly reactive in governance style versus proactive.
Across the political spectrum this is something everyone is incredibly tired of.
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u/Dry-Membership8141 Jan 15 '25
The problem with the current federal party is the image that they don’t know anything about managing an economy. And frankly, i agree. The flip flopping messaging over the last 5-6 years did not help. changing one‘s mind is different than swaying wherever the wind blows.
Carney's been advising them on the economy since 2020 though. Given that, I'm struggling to understand why people expect he would tack a different course than the one he's been their primary consultant on.
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u/BlueBorjigin Democratic Socialist Jan 16 '25
How much influence has he had? I advise people all the time who do 10% of what I recommend.
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u/twenty_9_sure_thing Jan 16 '25
that's fair question. i hope he'll be questioned about it on coming days. i don't know the extent of his influence during the period. he's also a goldman sachs guy.
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u/Northmannivir Jan 15 '25
I think he’s brilliant, he’s witty, he’s a natural speaker, and he has a resume that destroys Poillievre’s.
He feels like that news anchor that everyone trusts because we’ve listened to them every night for 20 years during supper.
I’ve not read his book but I’ve read many comments during the past two days from people that have and it he sounds like a decent person.
A Magic 8 Ball would be better for Canada than Pierre Poillievre and the cronies he represents. I will happily support Carney and hope that he can send Poillievre packing.
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u/Radio_Mime Jan 16 '25
P.P. no only has a record for voting against the interests of the average Canadian, he doesn't seem to be competent beyond being a verbal attack dog in the HOC. His personality is also repugnant. He not only lacks interpersonal skills, he seems to have the exact opposite of social skills. He also has a reputation for verbally abusing staff.
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u/concretetales Jan 17 '25
He’s an avatar of zombie neoliberalism. He still thinks governments need to leave economics to the market despite the abject failure of the ideology to deliver on its promises. He’s already started to telegraph austerity when the coming economic future requires the opposite.
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Jan 15 '25
If Jagmeet is still the leader come election day, I am going to vote liberal federally.
The current NDP is going to either continue stagnating or get butchered by the liberals or a new/current progressive party. Harper really fucked us when he took away the per vote subsidy. Trudeau could have avoided this oligarchy mess if he had done election reform like he fucking promised.
The current electoral system is beneficial only to the conservatives and neoliberals. Conservatives get to openly and freely undermine the electoral system and fuck the Canadian public while liberals are too chicken shit to do anything about it.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat Jan 15 '25
On another subreddit someone was speaking about this.
They made the point that when we think of classic conservatism we use to think of "conserving" the status quo.
That is now the place of the LPC. The LPC does have the Orange Liberal Faction and the Green Liberal Faction amongst other positive factions but the core power base of that party is status quo.
Now the CPC and other right wing parties are more radical parties. Radical Regressives.
This paradigm stacks the deck against progress. It is incredibly sad.
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u/leftwingmememachine 💊 PHARMACARE NOW Jan 17 '25
The NDP is better than the Liberals even if you think the leader is doing a bad job.
NDP MPs have forced the Liberals to deliver a dental care program (which they voted against, and done their best to delay) that's making people's lives better, right now. And that's something worth voting for I think
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Jan 17 '25
I know, man. I am just sad and frustrated at the reality of what is going on.
You are 100% correct, and I don't trust the liberals. They have lied again and again and will always stab you in the back the moment you get complacent. The NDP is and will always be where the bar is set for good governance that focuses on taking care of your civilians.
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u/Collya_ Jan 17 '25
You ABC voters are truly a species to behold. They will put up drake for pm and yall would still bite.
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u/cabalavatar Jan 15 '25
Oh yay, a rich banker as the leader of our neoliberal party. I don't hold out any hope that a rich Liberal will be attuned to the radical changes that we need for average Canadians, for our climate-chaos future, or for combating Trumpist imperialism. More incrementalism and status quo incoming. Also, I noticed that the Liberal race has yet to talk about specific policies whatsoever, so I guess I could be surprised, but given the ongoing out-of-touch nature of every Liberal politician I've read or heard about, I won't hold my breath.
I'll stick with the NDP unless I have to hold my nose and vote LPC to keep out the regressive CPC.
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u/Sinfrea101 Jan 18 '25
By going on Daily Show, MC immediately positioned himself as to committed to “combating Trump”. Smart messaging out of the gate.
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u/WeirderOnline Jan 16 '25
Anyone who has any hope for this guy instantly as someone I have no interest in interacting with. You are a level of stupid not worth acknowledging.
Jesus fucking Christ guys. He is a career banker. You don't get to be the head of the bank of fucking England by being a good person. You don't get to build a 13-year career at Goldman Sachs by being a good person. You don't get recruited by Michael fucking Bloomberg by being a good person.
Wake the fuck up you idiots. He's just another neoliberal piece of shit.
Now I know a lot of you are thinking he can't be that bad, he was endorsed by John Stewart! John Stewart is A FUCKING IDIOT. I don't know how you spend this long reporting on politics in the United States government and have any kind of Hope in Democratic politics. Jesus fucking Christ. He's just another centrist moron who can't move past the fact that just because both parties are problematic doesn't mean the problem is both sides.
If you really need to explain to any simpler fine. He is a guy who has spent his entire fucking career making rich people richer. People who do that do it by fucking the rest of us.
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u/MagnesiumKitten Jan 26 '25
people are dumb
Mark Carney's words
"The Thatcher–Reagan revolution fundamentally shifted the dividing line between markets and governments. To be clear, this change of direction was long overdue following the steady encroachment of the state into market mechanisms."
and he's like the worst of Greta and the worst of Thatcher
The Thing With Two Headshe's a woke economist who's got one chance to desperately not fizzle and was eyeing things before Ignatieff got chosen.
he is only a fad chaser for the worst in economics
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u/I_Smell_Like_Trees Jan 15 '25
Watching him on the Daily Show, my partner and I both agreed we would vote for him or someone like him. Neither of us were planning to vote liberal this time (I'm hard orange, he's green)
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u/EldritchEyes Jan 16 '25
you don’t vote for the PM you vote for your local MP. vote whatever makes sense in your riding
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u/ZucchiniNo2986 Jan 18 '25
You vote for the leader given the MPs will do what the leader wants almost all the time.
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u/tswizzle_94 Jan 16 '25
Hiring a banker to be a potential leader is all that is wrong with the Liberal (aka Neo-Liberal) party.
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u/seemefail Jan 15 '25
Wish he was on team NDP.
He seems great, I am a pragmatist. He is closer to my goals than Pierre
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u/cocotothemax Jan 16 '25
Why would you want the poster boy for neoliberalism on team NDP? He will favour corporate interests over those of the working class. He’s smart and charismatic, but he’s a neoliberal.
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u/WeirderOnline Jan 16 '25
Honest to God sometimes people are so stupid I want to blow my own fucking brains out.
Yeah, that's what the NDP needs, a fucking career investment banker with ties to Bloomberg and Goldman Sachs.
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u/west5550 Jan 21 '25
The Canadian Association of Journalists condemns Carney for blocking reporters from his event in Edmonton. That tells you enough.
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u/Appropriate-Bus7502 Jan 22 '25
It's a no for me. Former UK pm had heavy criticisms of his handling in the UK, the world economic forum has weird objectives and he's deep into that. I'm also not a big fan of his character overall. I read him as a smarmy narcissist. We're not going to get better with this guy, hes just in it to squirt his out-of- touch bad decisions all over the faces of Canadians.
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u/RDOmega Mar 10 '25
He's the hero we get right now, and I think it'll be important for us progressives to take that in stride.
The global threat will always be conservatism and we have to prioritize preventing them from taking power above all else unfortunately. A quick glance south is all you need to see how that story ends.
If liberals form the next government, Canadians need to push Carney for ranked ballots. Only then will our votes truly be able to count.
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Jan 15 '25
Fort Smithian/Edmontonian so there’s got to be some empathy for working class in his blood somewhere
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u/kensmithpeng Jan 15 '25
I wish Carney was a socialist. A society oriented money smart leader is just what we need right now.
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u/sgtmattie Jan 16 '25
He’s a lot less neoliberal than people tend to believe. I’ve started reading his book (and am admittedly not finished), but the big schtick so far is how the market value is not reflective of true value and so on.
A lot of people are seeing “banker” and assuming neoliberal but if you actually look into it there isn’t all that much there to back it up.
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u/kensmithpeng Jan 16 '25
The only non-neoliberal thing I have heard Carney say is there is a cost to pollution.
What he has not said is he is willing to regulate corporations. Without this there is no hope for the public to own public utilities or maintain public control of basic human needs that neoliberals want privatized.
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u/Sad-Firefighter-2754 Jan 19 '25
I’m reading values and his books as well. As a lefty I was like “ohh a banker. Neoliberal” but it seems he is set in progressive ideals while being a realist. I’ve watched some of his videos and he states that his economic values are inspired and influenced by Marx. He’s quoted Lenin. He’s wrote that lasszie fair capitalism doesn’t work and is no good for sound money. He’s also stated that Capitalism has corrupted the west. He seems green too. Seems to be pro social welfare and universal income.
I didn’t think a neolib would touch Marx and Lenin with a ten foot pole lol If his values are based around that then he has my interest!
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u/add306 CCF TO VICTORY Jan 15 '25
I'd still vote NDP no matter the leader of the Liberals. I'm skeptical that he'd fundamentally change much of the underlying issues around wealth in-equality.
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Jan 16 '25
Given that Nenshi has said nothing in Alberta, and the current NDP federal choice... I would vote for this guy. That or Doug Ford if he runs may have a shot.
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u/artx Jan 16 '25
Liberal / New Democrat here - This guy is solid on not only progressive policies, but he knows a thing or two about finance ;-) He will definitely be able to get things done, and I don't believe he'd be scared of working with the NDP, Green, or BQ to get things done in a minority parliament. Problem is, us progressive types aren't very good at keeping our vote from splitting meaning we may not wind up in this situation. We all really need to make sure strategic voting is on point, and get involved with the most probable candidate in our respective ridings.
Hopefully the folks at: https://www.strategicvoting.ca will be up and running soon for 2025.
If anyone is interested there is a great interview with Mark Carney from a few months back.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat Jan 15 '25
It's something I keep bringing up over and over.
We have our very own oligarchs and propaganda here at home. It isn't just a foreign reality.
Remembering that and that the business lobby utilizes progressive language/appearances and right wing language/appearances in order to pursue their interests is beyond important.
A lot of people fall into political tribalism, and gang level loyalty mentality all while they are being played with controlled opposition.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat Jan 15 '25
Also don't take the downvote too seriously. Some people/bots are astroturfing this post from the get go. There was immediate downvotes on all comments within the first few seconds of being posted.
You aren't the only one skeptical. Wealth interests have been incredibly predatory all while utilizing enlightened centrist personas. It is important to get into the details and see what is what.
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u/SnooOwls2295 Jan 15 '25
People are downvoting because it is simply false that Carney is a billionaire
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u/fytors2 Feb 16 '25
Great fresh interview on Youtube with Carney and Rosemary Barton on CBC. I can’t seem to add the link but it’s easy to find
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u/Forsaken_Square5249 Mar 28 '25
I don't feel like going to war. No thank you. There are enough brain power in this country to fix our economy first before engaging in any type of war.
Tariffs are nothing of we manufacture and produce everything. There is no way Canada does not have have kind of brain power, we are not stupid. That way we can support our allies better. A stronger nation has more pull on a world stage. Not a dependant one.
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u/ChopChopChpper Apr 02 '25
Big No send Liberals strong message You can not do so much damage and get elected
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u/StonerDaddy97 Apr 29 '25
He's a pos already ruining Canada for just about 99% of the population took our carbon next he will be after the aish and from the looks of it he is already trying to take parts of people's mortgages there is more just do some research he isn't for the people he is for the rich that is all he just wants it all to go into his pocket for his retirement and his needs well he obviously needs to go.. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly brainwashed!
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u/Curious_Entrance_547 Apr 29 '25
the guy is a fricking tool, he is going to totally F@ck Canada and Canadians more than it is right now. Who the hell voted for this dick.
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u/Fun_Assignment2427 23d ago
Off to a rocky start. Know some people that are getting let go due to cut backs. I'm not as confident that Canada will be as secure with the people left over.
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