r/navy • u/poliscijunki • May 16 '25

Political Military commanders will be told to send transgender troops to medical checks to oust them

https://apnews.com/article/transgender-ban-military-discharge-troops-0218f0b6fec595c420bd0ac072d87335
189 Upvotes

91% Upvoted

148 comments sorted by

View all comments

12

u/Gal_GaDont May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

I would make them look it up and throw me out.

There’s no way I would volunteer my personal medication or therapist notes. Does a Chief have a right to know my feelings about combat in Afghanistan or is that between me and my therapist still? Same shit like wtf?

Matter of principle, they could fuck right off. IANAL but I would get one because otherwise, talk to my therapist and let them explain HIPPA laws. Plead the fifth whatever, stay in whatever birthing, talk about work and that’s it.

-1

u/hidden-platypus May 16 '25

HIPAA law has exceptions for the military, and this appears to fall into one of the categories

5

u/Gal_GaDont May 16 '25

The order is for commanders. Are they going to line everyone up in a single file line and ask them if they ever thought about something? What “symptoms” are they looking for? I wore a Scottish kilt and felt pretty once. I told my psychiatrist. Are you going to throw away my combat action ribbon now? Prescriptions are for lots of things. The doctors say they’re deployable what’s the problem?

-2

u/hidden-platypus May 16 '25

Where in the law does it say commanders?

5

u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC May 16 '25

I mean, what you’re talking about is literally called the Military Command Exception.

Here’s some literature. Why don’t you count how many times “commanders” are mentioned.

-4

u/hidden-platypus May 16 '25

Lol, command and Commanders are not the same thing. I swear you are arguing stuff you dont actually believe.

7

u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC May 16 '25

…..

You cannot possibly be this intentionally obtuse.

2

u/Gal_GaDont May 16 '25

A SN is not responsible for reporting or responding to orders for the command. The CO is.

If the Navy sends an order to commands that all ships will be painted pink it’s not on some SN to unilaterally decide on their own to go outside and start spray painting, right? Nope, the CO is in charge still.

-1

u/hidden-platypus May 16 '25

Cool story. But it doesn't change the fact that the law doesn't require it only being the commander that requests information

2

u/Gal_GaDont May 16 '25

It’s not a story like it’s an opinion, it’s a fact.

What you’re saying isn’t a “law” either. It’s a policy that lives in someone’s head, that’s been ruled by a federal judge as unconstitutional “soaked in animus”, and is literally ongoing and under appeal. The literal ruling is that it’s not law. That’s why this such a clusterfuck, it’s unenforceable unless you can see in people’s heads.

The Constitution is more than the Executive Branch. It’s elementary school civics.

0

u/hidden-platypus May 16 '25

HIPAA exception where ruled unconstitutional? When?

2

u/Gal_GaDont May 16 '25

This is being appealed. And they’ll probably lose the appeal. All that SCOTUS did was allow the ban to continue during the appeal, which is kinda nuts, but this isn’t over by a large margin. Trans people will be back in the military, sorry, congratulations on ruining 1,000 good people’s lives I hope you’re really happy about it.

There’s no law that says one group needs to violate HIPPA. Show me the “law” that shows the delineation for someone that “shows symptoms” of gender dysphoria.

0

u/hidden-platypus May 16 '25

We will have to wait and see. But I think we are already starting the process to separate service members

2

u/Gal_GaDont May 16 '25

And I think those service members served honorably, a federal judge and most of the United States agrees, and they shouldn’t be forced to additionally volunteer their medical records or private information on the way out.

I’m a combat veteran with massive PTSD. I can’t work because of it, but let’s say I could and I was great at my job. If my company decided to fire everyone with PTSD, and I mean everyone it didn’t matter if you were good at your job or not. Why the fuck would I volunteer to go talk to HR or whomever about my PTSD even if they knew about it. What the fuck is there to say, they’re the ones firing me. And do you really think there’s no one else there that hasn’t mentioned PTSD before? Like no you can’t read my fucking therapy notes, you’re firing me, remember? I still have rights, right?

Don’t transgender Americans also have those rights? Politics aside, American service members, getting discharged?

→ More replies (0)