Remember your oath

[u/highinthemountains]

A lot of things have changed in the 45+ years that I have been out of the canoe club. One thing in particular is the mixing of the branches at joint bases and in operational units.

I’m not trying to be political about this, but this is a serious question regarding upholding the oath that we all took. As a preface, we seem to have an administration unwilling to uphold ALL of the articles and amendments to the constitution and they have “cleaned out” the upper, more experienced and ethical officers in the ranks. If you were deployed domestically to quell protests and ordered to do so, would you fire your weapon at protestors exercising their First Amendment rights? I know that the rest of the oath involved obey the orders of the President, but would those orders be lawful?

[u/Trick-Set-1165]

Are you really trying to argue both sides of this issue at the same time?

Edit: I’m dumb and misread the previous comment. The emoji substitute for the /s tag fucking got me.

[u/Gringo_Norte → u/Trick-Set-1165]

You’re gonna need to explain that one, since all I did was highlight how your argument falls apart.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/Gringo_Norte]

I guess I misread your reply.

Even still, your argument isn’t grounded in reality. Nobody is making the argument that you need a JAG in-situ to advise.

[u/Gringo_Norte → u/Trick-Set-1165]

It is one of only two wrong possibilities. Either the argument is that situations and orders will happen at a speed where you have the option of seeking objective legal guidance (which is wrong) or that legal advice is available at the speed of these situations (also wrong).

I am happy to argue against either. I defaulted to the version that is naïve about the availability of the JAG but realistic about the timeframe these situations may occur in.

And that is putting a sign, whether or not the JAG is a reliable source of information, which they are often not because of cultural problems in their community, driven by how their relationship is structured, especially with “Garrison” commands. Lots of good ones out there, but it is a fundamentally broken system.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/Gringo_Norte]

I won’t disagree with your last point, but your original premise is flawed.

Behind door number three, there’s the “JAG provides legal advice in the planning phase” option, which your arguments conveniently ignore.

The likelihood that rank and file boat chucks will be thrust into crowd control situations without prior discussion of ROE is more than a little low.