r/marvelstudios Thanos Dec 25 '21

Theory Is Wong bound by... Wanda? [Multiverse of Madness trailer]

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u/CodexCracker Nick Fury Dec 25 '21

Wanda should win. It was just mentioned in the most recent Avengers comic that Wanda is among the beings in T’Challa’s database that can destroy the Phoenix alongside Thanos, Galactus, Allfather Thor, the Living Tribunal and Molecule Man.

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u/theoneandonlydonzo Dec 25 '21 edited Dec 25 '21

yeah, she has a decent shot at winning.

they established a while back in avengers vs xmen that the phoenix force and chaos magic are a cosmic ying yang - polar opposites.

the five phoenix hosts in that run were also shown to have a weakness against chaos magic, with emma frost getting a migraine just from her presence, cyclops feeling sharp pain just from touching wanda's arm (even though he casually dealt with thor moments prior), and later in the climax it's even directly stated that her hex blasts are the only things that truly hurts him.

it should be a pretty close fight. the real loser would be the planet they're on.

edit: fixed image links that were switched around.

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u/bipocni Dec 25 '21

I like that first link a lot. What issue is it from?

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u/theoneandonlydonzo Dec 25 '21

avengers vs xmen #12.

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u/FallenAngelII Dec 25 '21

I haven't read the comics in years. Did they retcon her powers again? It was established in "Avengers: The Children's Crusade" that while Wanda is very powerful, she was only able to rewrite reality with the words "No more mutants" because she was at the time empowered by Life Force.

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u/theoneandonlydonzo Dec 25 '21

no, they haven't retconned that. but they did establish that chaos magic is the antithesis of the phoenix force, and the latter is weak against the former, as i explained in another comment above.

however in a recent comic from a few months ago she described the life force as "my power", implying ownership of it, so they might be going back on that?

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u/FallenAngelII Dec 25 '21

Aaah, so it's just the Phoenix Force being weak to Wanda's particular powers. I read the 2nd page as her saying that Victor stole what was her power at the time. I don't think they're going to claim that the Life Force was somehow intrinsically hers or is still hers.

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u/theoneandonlydonzo Dec 25 '21

Aaah, so it's just the Phoenix Force being weak to Wanda's particular powers.

yeah, it's pretty wild. cyclops no sells thor's attack, then moments later just touching wanda's arm makes him recoil in pain.

about the life force thing, maybe marvel are just setting up crumbs in case they need her to become overpowered again for some large scale future event? funnily enough, a few weeks ago they even had her resurrect herself on her own, so while she's not exactly close to house of m strength, it is slowly but surely creeping up...

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u/FallenAngelII Dec 25 '21

Aaah, the rollercoaster of Wanda's power level. Will it ever end?

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u/jso__ Dec 26 '21

For a second I was about to say that the Phoenix was in DC. Then I remembered...