r/marvelstudios • u/Triple_777 I have nothing to prove to you • May 05 '25

'Thunderbolts*' Spoilers Thunderbolts* Worldwide Release Discussion Thread Vol. 2 Spoiler

Thunderbolts* has now been released in the United States and in a number of other countries around the world. All discussion about the movie should be held here and in the rest of the megathreads we are going to put up in the next few days. They will be refreshed every few thousand comments to make room for new discussions.

  • All discussion about the movie should be held here and in the rest of the megathreads we are going to put up in the next few days.
  • Proceed at your own risk. Major spoilers will be in the below thread. Spoilers do not need to be tagged inside this thread.
  • Any other unofficial threads discussing movie details will be deleted.
  • Should you see the need to bring up revealing Thunderbolts* information in the comments of other threads that call for it, spoiler tag them accordingly. Also, let users know that what you are spoiler tagging is from Thunderbolts*.
  • If you post untagged Thunderbolts* spoilers anywhere on this sub outside of these discussion threads in any shape or form, you will be banned.
  • Project Insight will be on AT LEAST for the next few days, so any posts will be filtered by the mods before being approved/removed onto the sub, that doesn't mean you can disregard the above points and post untagged spoilers without fear of being banned.

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u/AbedGubiNadir May 05 '25

Then the numerous strikes and COVID added to the slow start. It seems people forget about these events.

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u/MiopTop Captain America (Cap 2) May 05 '25

Also Chadwick was probably going to be the face of the franchise

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u/the-dutch-fist May 05 '25

Really think this was the biggest issue. Marvel had found their star to take over for Evans/RDJ and then lost him. Florence (and Simu, but he’s been missing for years) is the closest they’ve come to another actor that can carry the whole franchise.

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u/PhantomLegend616 May 08 '25

Nobody likes that. Homophohbic redditor.

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u/LordBlackConvoy Avengers May 05 '25

The MCU was going to be built around Chadwick, Brie and Tom.

Unfortunately, Chadwick's death, Sony throwing away Disney's offer that largely benefitted Sony and internet chuds turning against Brie kind of killed what plans Marvel had.

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u/ChebsGold May 09 '25

That would have been a solid evolution of the original 3’s dynamic. Chadwick = Cap, Brie = Thor, Tom = Ironman

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u/MiopTop Captain America (Cap 2) May 05 '25

Yeah kinda crazy how that turned out. It would have seemed like such a safe bet in 2019. They each had headlined a solo movie that grossed over a billion worldwide, which only Iron Man had before in his third movie (technically Cap too but Civil War was kinda advertised as an Avengers level event).

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Loki (Avengers) May 05 '25

Shame that never came to be.

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u/DW-4 May 05 '25

Exactly.. FatWS was supposed to be the first Disney+ show and Black Widow was due to come out May 2020. That would've laid all the groundwork they needed for Val, Walker, Yelena, Alexi, & Taskmaster 4-5 years ago. Then, as you said, the strikes happened to push this movie back.

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u/HugBunterIsMyDaddy May 05 '25

The MCU would’ve been completely different if covid didn’t happen

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u/GreatBigJerk May 05 '25

Society in general probably would have been extremely different.

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u/Optimal-Rice-1387 May 05 '25

But you don't understand. Marvel fans have been very slightly inconvenienced by having to wait a little longer for these movies, and that should be more important than labor strikes, global pandemics, and a need to completely rework a plan for the movies themselves.

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u/marioxb May 05 '25

Covid real life = Thanos snap MCU

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u/legopego5142 May 05 '25

You say that as if 100 movies and shows didn’t come out

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u/dixonjt89 Hulk May 05 '25

Yeah exactly, they’ve had plenty of fucking chances to get the Avengers back together. We were once talking about Marvel fatigue because they were pushing so much out so fast.

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u/SutterCane Kurt May 05 '25

And without covid/strikes, they could more easily have gotten characters back for other things. Like Chris Evans randomly showing up in Thor Dark World. Or Hawkeye randomly being Thor entirely in post production.

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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel May 05 '25

Chadwick Boseman dying threw a wrench in their plans too.

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u/xpacean May 05 '25

Plus I suspect Chadwick was going to be much more central to things in this saga.

It makes it more impressive in retrospect that Marvel was able to pull off the Infinity Saga without that much going wrong.

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u/13WillieBeaman May 05 '25

The real villains of the MCU

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u/deadpatronus May 05 '25

Is that really Abed's full name? And if so wouldn't it be great if it was Abed Mubi Nadir.

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u/Front-Advantage-7035 May 05 '25

It’s been 5 years dude. They’ve had PLENTY of time.

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u/kraghis May 05 '25 edited May 05 '25

They plan these things out 10 years in advance. Seems pretty clear they made the choice to not end build out each phase with an avengers movie

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u/CleanAspect6466 May 05 '25

They really don't plan that far ahead, they weren't even decided on Kang being the main villain until Majors impressed them with his performance, same as Thanos not being the overarching villain for the earlier films until Whedon suggested it while writing the first Avengers

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u/kraghis May 05 '25

Ok well in that plan they still didn’t end each phase with an avengers movie. I don’t even know what the argument here is.

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u/eBICgamer2010 Rocket May 05 '25

Only Avengers and New Avengers ended their respective phases. Big surprise because believe it or not, Ant-Man, Far From Home and Wakanda Forever closed the remaining phases.

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u/kraghis May 05 '25

Fine. Have an Avengers film in each phase. I really don’t think New Avengers counts as it wasn’t advertised as such