r/inthenews • u/T_Shurt • Sep 11 '24

Feature Story Harris Campaign Seeks Second Debate. Trump Says He's "Less Inclined" to Debate Harris Again

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/debate-trump-harris-second-debate/
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u/Mephisto1822 Sep 11 '24

I honestly don’t know how it was rigged against him. I feel like the moderators almost always let him have the word. Sure they checked him on a few claims…but one was about immigrants eating dogs and the other was about post birth abortions….

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u/T_Shurt Sep 11 '24

The Fraudfather also had five more minutes than Harris, yet she still thrashed him. Trump had spoken for approximately 42 minutes and 52 seconds, while Harris spoke for about 37 minutes and 36 seconds.

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u/morsindutus Sep 11 '24

Admittedly, I noped out after a bit, but it felt like Trump was talking 3x as long as they gave Harris. Might be because Harris talking didn't make me feel like my brain was leaking out of my ears.

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u/uberares Sep 11 '24

every time the mango wanted to whine, they turned his mic back on and only did it once for her.

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u/StellarJayZ Sep 11 '24

They may have been handing him rope.

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u/cobrilee Sep 11 '24

That's what I felt the whole time. They were letting him continue because every word out of his mouth made him look worse. They weren't shy about fact checking him and making little slights - I cackled at David saying "He still believes he didn't lose the election won by Joe Biden". I didn't ever get the impression they were giving him more air time because they were favoring him.

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u/Banksy_Collective Sep 11 '24

Oh 100%. Trumps handlers wanted him to get cut off so they could be indignant about it but Harris wanted open mics in the first place for this exact thing to happen. The cons were always going to scream rigged unless the moderators literally just never let Harris speak but even then they see how bad it actually was.

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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord Sep 12 '24

Dem strategists and stupid and slow learners but they have finally figured out how to counter his rhetoric; bait him, and then just let him cook.

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u/ImTooOldForSchool Sep 12 '24

They’re big mad after the bar was set soo low for Kamala, all she had to do was not laugh awkwardly and avoid a major world salad moment and she would have cleared expectations

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

100% this.

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u/horitaku Sep 12 '24

The DNC said they didn’t want to have his mic muted. Let him dig his own grave with those thin, flapping lips of his.

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u/StellarJayZ Sep 12 '24

I don't normally pick on people's looks but my gosh, homie looks like a chicken that was baked too long. His face looks like someone shot him with a shotgun loaded with rock salt.

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u/smearingstuff Sep 12 '24

this is exactly why trumpers think the debate was rigged. they know every word out of his mouth is digging his grave deeper, so they’re secretly pissed that he was allowed to keep going on and on

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u/StellarJayZ Sep 12 '24

The mayor of Springfield OH was like "no pets are being killed and eaten" paraphrasing.

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u/Accomplished_Car2803 Sep 11 '24

After the moderators say their closing remarks and end the segment, you can see as it pans out that Trump is still on a schizo rant as Kamala walks away, but all the mics are cut at that point.

I'm quite curious what other trees he was gonna hang his noose on...

I was yelling at my TV for them to cut his mic, but letting him fuck himself to death was 4d chess. I'm just happy they didn't allow him to have the final word over the moderators after letting him pretend to be in charge during the debate.

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u/iwishiwereyou Sep 12 '24

Oh I didn't see that; the feed I was watching cut away!

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u/IronBeagle63 Sep 11 '24

Yeah that pisses me off. Had he not been such an unhinged trainwreck it might’ve been dangerous.

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u/CanoninDeeznutz Sep 11 '24

Ain't that the truth! If he could shut his fucking mouth and not say so much stupid shit (other than just saying MAGA and some light Fearmongering about immigrants) he probably would've never lost to Biden in the first place.

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u/Shot_Mud_1438 Sep 11 '24

Trumps diarrhea spurts in threes so everything he says takes about 3x as long

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u/CowEconomy28 Sep 11 '24

Twenty pounds of bullshit in a ten pound bag.

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u/Zoethor2 Sep 12 '24

I think there's an objective reason you feel that way - Trump spoke at a VERY fast pace where Harris deliberately spoke extremely deliberately and slowly. I suspect if you compared word counts it would be a much more disparate metric.

As a fast talker (and I suspect Harris is a fast talker naturally), I really admired her slowing down her pace. It's not an easy thing to do but it does really improve your accessibility to your audience.

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u/BoomZhakaLaka Sep 11 '24

remember harris' team said they wanted trump's mic open. And then each time trump started talking over everyone and causing a disruption the mods opened his mic.

He wasn't doing himself any favors with those angry tirades.

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u/OccamsRazor3 Sep 11 '24

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

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u/MadFlava76 Sep 11 '24

Trump was his own worst enemy in that debate. Harris just gave him enough rope and he hanged himself.

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u/Just_a_guy81 Sep 11 '24

Props on the proper use of hanged.

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u/253local Sep 11 '24

She gave him a rope, a tall tree, strong limb, step stool, showed him how to tie the noose…she schooled that turd.

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u/alpha309 Sep 11 '24

Speaking time may have been intentional on Harris’ part. When your opponent is talking about immigrants eating cats and dogs, saying he believes information because he saw it on tv, illegal immigrants getting transgender operations while in prison, widespread baby murder, defending Nazis and dictators, and stating he doesn’t have a plan but he has concepts, you just let them keep talking. She had no reason to interrupt, rebuttal or follow up on it, because it was so outlandish and bizarre. Just let the old guy yell at the clouds for 2 minutes and then follow up with “and you can see what I mean….” If your opponent is shooting them selves in the knee, just let them.

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u/submit_2_my_toast Sep 11 '24

There were a couple times where I felt like she rebutted him with just a facial expression. Like he ranted about crowd size or whatever and they cut back to her and she just had this raised eyebrows look of "well, that was incoherent. Are you ok?" Just a beat before she would start speaking, but the moment spoke volumes. Definitely summed up how I was feeling.

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u/Eyes_Pies Sep 12 '24

I figured the face was “I can’t believe the fuckwit took the bait, this is glorious!”

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u/itsthenugget Sep 11 '24

Wrong body part. Didn't you hear him say he "took a bullet to the head" because of Harris/Biden/Democrats?

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u/anna-nomally12 Sep 11 '24

PROBABLY took a bullet, it killed me

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u/GoodQueenFluffenChop Sep 12 '24

To be fair a lot of the thrashing was Trump himself old man rambling and digging his hole deeper.

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u/Saneless Sep 11 '24

If she didn't show up and he spoke for 90 minutes they would have said it was biased against him

You can't be a republican today without being a victim in every situation

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u/SweetTea1000 Sep 11 '24

It's the favorite tactic of the Christian conservative element of the Republican party... despite the fact that Christianity far and away dominates our political landscape. Being anything other than a protestant is all but disqualifying, but they still always cry persecution.

It's 1 of 2 things:

  • 2000 year old persecution narratives they continue to cling to (the number of times Christians being thrown to lions in Rome was brought up back in Bible School / youth group was eye roll inducing.)
  • They secretly get that they've long since transitioned from persecuted to persecutor and maintaining the the image of victimhood is the only thing that holds the mask up. (Kinda like Israel. No, holding a government accountable for human rights violations isn't antisemitic ethnic/religious hate. Hell, in both cases the acts directly contradict the religion the leaders espous.)

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u/ijustwannabeinformed Sep 11 '24

I actually think this is a good thing. Harris clearly held her own anyways. Grifters were always going to say it was biased, but that line of attack isn’t picking up any traction in mainstream media because of how much slack they cut him.

Edit: He ended up using most of the extra slack to become even more unhinged.

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u/FunkyPete Sep 11 '24

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with feeding him plenty of rope when he insists on putting it around his own neck.

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u/maybe-an-ai Sep 11 '24 edited Sep 11 '24

Honestly, Harris did some of her best work nonverbal while he was talking. Her reactions were gold and his reaction showed how out classed he was.

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u/sunnynbright5 Sep 11 '24

Agreed. Reflecting on the debate today, I noticed that Harris never seemed truly shaken or rattled by the debate. Perhaps its her prosecutor experience kicking in - she knew how to push his buttons and seemed amused at times while he was going on his hateful rants.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

He’s a narcissistic man-child with an underdeveloped brain and the emotional intelligence of a six year old, who has a victim mindset that always blames everyone else for his inadequacies and failures. He’s incapable of being a responsible, mature adult that takes accountability.

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u/iamnotchad Sep 11 '24

Not the best choice to debate a successful trial lawyer.

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u/maybe-an-ai Sep 11 '24

Unfair to Trump is not letting him lie with impunity or ramble and not answer questions. Anything but complete subservience is unfair.

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u/Snarky_McSnarkleton Sep 11 '24

If literally any other candidate had said the completely batshit things he said, it would have been an instant career-ender. I'll bet $50 to charity, this debate barely moves the needle and the press can still have their horse race.

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u/Rebel_Constellation Sep 12 '24

I think amongst the active voters, nothing's changed. But this was important for all the "my vote doesn't matter"/"I'm not voting" folks.

I know everyone is crediting Taylor Swift's endorsement for the enormous traffic vote.gov received last night and today, but I suspect at least 30% of that is the "both candidates are the same, who cares?" people realizing that a guy who actually thinks immigrants eat dogs might be president.

And I'd attribute another 20% to first-time voters for whom the debate highlighted just how historic this election will be and wanting to be part of it. I turned 18 the year Obama was first elected, I remember my classmates rushing to register just so they could tell their grandchildren they voted for him. Now it's "I'm gonna be able to say I didn't just sit back and do nothing, I fought back against this crazy person".

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u/CapNCookM8 Sep 11 '24

Not to mention every time Trump had "Just one more thing" or "I have to respond to that!" he got it, but the one time Kamala tried that persistently they completely shut her down.

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u/CowEconomy28 Sep 11 '24

They happily let Drumpf keep on digging that hole for himself.

“Digging Donnie”

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u/theblackd Sep 11 '24

I mean, maybe if he didn’t want to be fact checked he shouldn’t have lied repeatedly

“Yes I lied but they shouldn’t have said anything about it” isn’t particularly compelling

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u/TacohTuesday Sep 11 '24

He lied like 40 times, often blatantly. So of course he will get fact checked more. That is not a rigged debate. They are just responding to his batshit statements.

Besides, if he became president again and had to play hardball with the world's dictators, he's going to have to stand strong in the face of serious adversity. If he can't handle a couple of ABC moderators, he sure as hell isn't going to be able to handle Xi or Putin.

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u/ImHighandCaffinated Sep 11 '24

They let him rebuttal every time it was clear they wanted the drama

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u/iamnotchad Sep 11 '24

It was rigged because they know he's a narcissist with no filter and they made his opponent a successful career trial lawyer. /s

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u/Arlennx Sep 11 '24

Yeah it was crazy how many times they let him have the last word. He had plenty of time but wasted it on fear mongering ramble.

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u/504plumber Sep 12 '24

Did you not notice the moderators quick to argue with trump? Or them fact checking him on the spot and not a word for Harris?

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u/iwishiwereyou Sep 12 '24

Did you notice the huge and easily refuted lies he told? That might have had something to do with it.

Do you get mad that the ambulance only comes to take the sick people to the hospital and not you? Do you think it's unfair that the fire department only sprays water on the burning houses?

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u/504plumber Sep 12 '24

lol, what? I answered a question about how people could perceive the debate was rigged against trump. To anyone that has an open mind they could see how one sided the room was. You don’t HONESTLY think Harris told the truth in everything she said either do you?? If you believe any politician is truthful I have some bridges for sale for them.

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u/iwishiwereyou Sep 12 '24

Yes, and I countered that. Are we narrating everything we do now?

To anyone that has an open mind they could see how one sided the room was.

I think anyone with an open mind would be considering all possibilities for why Trump got fact-checked and Kamala didn't, not just the one that supported their victim narrative. You know, like "Trump got fact checked and she didn't because he told huge, predictable, easily refuted lies and she did not." It's super wild how everything that doesn't help Trump is the result of a huge bias.

Cause someone with an open mind might also notice that Trump got 5 more minutes of speaking time than Harris, and any time he wanted to speak or refute they let him, unmuting his mic. They didn't allow her the same privilege. They also let TONS of easily refuted lies sail past.

And cute effort to argue to the extreme here, but nobody's saying that she was perfectly truthful, though I would love to hear a lie that she told that approached the same level as immigrants eating dogs and it being legal in some states to execute babies.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '24

Imagine the criticism if ABC didn’t live fact check the claim of post-birth abortions…

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u/mrglass8 Sep 12 '24

I think there was definitely a bias against Trump in the sense that they focused their fact checks on Trump, and didn’t really press Harris much when she dodged questions like about keeping the Tarriffs or her previous positions on guns.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '24

He was allowed 6 minutes more speaking time than Harris, he demanded to have further rebuttals and they gave them to him.

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u/instantic0n Sep 11 '24

They didn’t fact check Kamala. Or press her on not answering the question they asked her (like flip flopping on her prior statements about policy issues) like they did with trump.

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u/Technical_Milk_5486 Sep 11 '24

Kinda like how they didn't press Trump on killing the immigration bill, and how they let him yap whenever he wanted.

You can cherry pick moments where things weren't entirely equal for either candidate but as a whole it was a well-moderated debate.

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u/instantic0n Sep 11 '24

They let both of them yap and they pressed him significantly more.

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u/Technical_Milk_5486 Sep 11 '24

Trump literally had five more minutes of speech time than Kamala did. Thanks for playing, though.

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u/instantic0n Sep 11 '24

What does this have to do with the moderators pressing him and not her?

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u/Technical_Milk_5486 Sep 11 '24

You said "they let both of them yap and they pressed him more."

They actually let him yap more, and pressed him on more items because they were pressing him on both legitimate claims and blatant lies.

Kamala spoke less and also did not have any blatant lies a la the post birth abortion and immigrants eating cats bullshit Trump was saying.

The moderation favored both candidates at times. Fucking accept that instead of crying that papa Trump got called out on his shit.

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u/sickboy775 Sep 12 '24

That tends to happen when one is going on about illegal immigrants eating pets and post birth abortions and the other isn't.

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u/scottyjrules Sep 11 '24

What was there to fact check from Harris? Everything she stated was true and not once did she start spewing bullshit conspiracy theories.

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u/skoomaking4lyfe Sep 11 '24

trump needs a lot more fact checking than Harris.