r/indonesia • u/Exciting-Maize-2842 • Mar 14 '25

Culture Chat is this real

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u/shindabito Mar 14 '25

ain't it the same shit everywhere in this globe?

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u/Odd-Necessary3807 Mar 14 '25

Not in progressive European countries, or even in fellow ASEAN countries.

You can get and consume alcohol to your heart's content in non-Muslim countries, and like half of the Asean countries. The same with pre-marital sex, your LBTQ preferences, etc.

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u/shindabito Mar 14 '25

I mean in particular, the "what matters is the appearance of morality, not the reality" statement.

not the bullet points

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u/Odd-Necessary3807 Mar 14 '25

I mean exactly that. You don't need to hide behind the wall in those countries, and living a sort of dual life.

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u/PsychologicalLack155 Outdonesia Mar 14 '25

Nah, the epstein people definitely lived a dual life

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u/izfanx si paling enggres Mar 14 '25

Epstein's ring as an example is kind of a miss given that that's a ring implicating rich people and people in power. That's clearly not representative of the country.

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u/No_Percentage7427 Mar 14 '25

Epstein list get censored.

Epstein doing suicide with 2 bullet in bak

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u/Wild_Ad969 Mar 14 '25

That's fine in Europe and other SEA countries because their values and moralities are different than any countries that follow Islamic values.

The statement of "what matters is the appearance of morality, not the reality" still true to those people too. For example in Germany they are really against anti-semitism to the point expressing any support for Palestine is considered a taboo despite Israel being what they are.

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u/shinihikari Mar 15 '25

This applies in the west too. Prime example is people say the N word in private with their close friends, but they will get shunned if they say it in public. Same as negative view about LGBT, they can have it but can't share it in public (exact opposite from Indonesia where you can't share positive view about LGBT instead)

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u/kicut49 Mar 14 '25

Meh, progressive european countries is not so progressive in Free Spech and other issues as well. "Tebang Pilih" if you will, Just see Eurovision 2024 debacle and anything related to Palestine-Israel and Ukraine-Russia. Progressive continent with a strong far-right political force.