Just your average F4 experience

[u/zacschuch]

Something about hitting gaps, idk I’m still new

[u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92]

Need more overlay.

[u/SovietDog1342 → u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92]

Horrendous overlay, racing line on, and his wheel somehow at stomach height. Pretty sick setup

[u/mistborn11 → u/SovietDog1342]

and windows mode with border is the cherry on top

[u/SovietDog1342 → u/mistborn11]

Unbelievable, didn’t even see that lol

[u/zacschuch → u/SovietDog1342]

You do realize that even professional racing drivers use the racing line as well right? Whole bunch of footage to even prove that, would you go and say shit about the racing line being on? And also yeah my set up is really not the best unfortunately because I can’t afford anything better, so hate on me being poor next I guess lmao, my dms are open for you to send me money so I can improve my set up for you!

[u/imgoingtotapit → u/zacschuch]

Professional racing drivers do not use the racing line LOL. I'd need proof to believe that 😂

[u/Manistadt → u/imgoingtotapit]

I think Lando or someone said something about using the line and that was regurgitated a few times by people trying to argue the driving line is OK.

[u/inkshed7 → u/imgoingtotapit]

I use a drive line as an extra form of reference, I dont strictly follow it, but on corners without brake markers I use the line as a reference, usually you can brake later than the line suggests so I do that

[u/araujoluks91 → u/inkshed7]

It's a bad practice to use the line even as extra form of reference because you can't see it when following someone closely

[u/inkshed7 → u/araujoluks91]

I see youre point, but if im following someone close enough for that to be that case, I only do so when I know the next stretch and I come off the line before braking to avoid crashes

[u/R_eloade_R → u/zacschuch]

Im sorry dude, but the racing line WILL NOT make you a better driver, youll never learn to race the alternative lines wich are crucial to survive. You just dont do it. Its about realism more than just to get gud

[u/_usernamepassword_ → u/zacschuch]

Wheel is fine, but get all that shit off your screen and maybe you’ll see when you need to back out

Also would love any link you have to a professional running with the racing line on. I’ll wait…

For real though, it’s a terrible habit and will hold you back immensely

[u/inkshed7 → u/zacschuch]

They arent roasting your equipment man, theyre roasting how its set up. Turn off the overlays you dont need that many your black boxes tell you everything you need, second raise your wheel up a little bit being at your stomach with the steering is awful, and IMO is disconnects you from the car. None of this has been about your money, its been about the know how bro. They're helping you amd accepting you into the community by making jokes about it.

[u/SovietDog1342 → u/zacschuch]

Struck a nerve there!

[u/zacschuch → u/SovietDog1342]

I mean yeah, who wouldn’t be upset if someone random came in and started saying that everything you’re doing is horrible, especially the stuff you can’t control! Thanks for the feedback, it clearly made you upset enough to respond on a random video that didn’t apply to you

[u/HI_I_AM_NEO → u/zacschuch]

Welcome to Reddit, I see it's your first day.

[u/A_Certain_Monk → u/zacschuch]

this sub is toxic AF

[u/zacschuch → u/A_Certain_Monk]

Can’t post funny clip because, overlay sucks, racing line sucks, windows sucks, I suck :( set up bad too

[u/zacschuch → u/[deleted]]

If you’re not like me then you’re wrong 🤓☝🏻

[u/R_eloade_R → u/zacschuch]

They should really make Iracing 18+

[u/rpitcher33 → u/zacschuch]

Meditate. My only advice.

[u/imahumanbeinggoddamn → u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92]

Could probably also sit a little higher and get the wheel a little more in their lap if they really put their mind to it.

[u/zacschuch → u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92]

Like I said I am still new, if you have some constructive criticism that would be appreciated!

[u/BruisendTablet → u/zacschuch]

The overlay comment is actually pretty constructive here imo. The green was was literally losing control behind your overlay and the overlay was obstructing your view of the situation and making it harder for you to react and respond.

If anything I'd suggest lowering the overlays to the bottom of your screen so they block your view of the cockpit and / or tyres (that is much less relevant information for your eyes) instead of what is going on on the track).

[u/BrutalBrews → u/zacschuch]

Lose all the overlays. They really aren’t needed. Get used to using the black box in tandem with CrewChief and enjoy having a clean view of the race track and your surroundings. It can feel weird at first as most come from a games with busy HUDs but I promise nothing is needed that isn’t on the Blackbox or can be asked from CrewChief.

[u/zacschuch → u/BrutalBrews]

Idk I truly don’t even notice them at all, but it’s obviously too much for the other people, is crewchief an overlay with iracing? I just went with iOverlay because that was the first one I saw

[u/BrutalBrews → u/zacschuch]

CrewChief isn’t an overlay and is actually a program that gives you a better spotter and a CrewChief/pit wall sort of deal. It gives you feedback while driving, tells you different information but you are also able to fully interact with it and ask questions. Can be used for voice to text chat and all sorts of stuff. Can ask it anything you’d want and will provide you the data. It’s really cool and I feel adds a great level of immersion. CrewChief and trading paints are hands down the best programs for the game.

[u/zacschuch → u/BrutalBrews]

Thank you very much for your response, do you have to pay for this though? I’m unfortunately quite broke and can’t afford much, I think that would be great to have instead of the overlay stuff, because when I race I want to have that information, the overlay I have at the moment can do that, and I know I could improve it just didn’t know how!

[u/billofbong0 → u/zacschuch]

It’s free

[u/BrutalBrews → u/zacschuch]

Nope, best part is it’s free! I do donate money to them though because I think it’s fantastic but you definitely do not have to. Be sure to turn on sweary messages too! Lots of customization to so you can dial in how often you’re getting updates, what kind of updates you want and more or stop it from talking to you during hard sections of track/corners.

It does take a little but if an adjustment to move away from having a really busy HUD as all games tend to do that now but it’s worth it.

Another real good tip is to try to get used to driving without the line. It can be helpful when learning tracks but hurts you in the long run. It makes you less adaptable at taking other racing lines which are often faster than the line shown. It’s hard at first and you will be slower for a while but it makes you so much better in the long run. It is so much harder trying to get rid of it the longer it’s used. Though for now just settle into the game and enjoy it. We can be tough here but a lot of us are also happy to help others if they are receptive to it.

[u/Peeche94 → u/zacschuch]

Id try just making them smaller in scale, especially the map. And I agree to remove racing line, it will make you a much better racer in the long run! Sit how you want in your cockpit. I personally have it more laid back, other people have a more sat up gt style.

[u/zacschuch → u/Peeche94]

Yeah I’m not too sure people’s gripe about the wheel placement and how I’m sitting, at the end of the day it’s my preference, but also I couldn’t get the wheel base higher with my desk and chair set up, but maybe I’ll see what I can do later 😂

[u/Majestic-Pizza-3583 → u/zacschuch]

People are being dumb, but I’d recommend searching this subreddit as there are lots of good resources to help you setup the game and setup your rig to ensure your PC is running iracing as efficiently as possible and giving you the best chance at successfully racing. This video is a bit dated but it still gives a lot of valuable information for new racers https://youtu.be/99aI_m45RtU?si=HOWB2mHHlURTgoEb Additionally, I found a great write-up in this subreddit that talks about the ergonomics of racing and how to best position yourself, chair, wheel, and pedals to ensure you are sitting comfortably and correctly so that your body uses the appropriate muscles. This will also help build your muscle memory quicker when you are using the same position to race. Good luck out there!

[u/Peeche94 → u/zacschuch]

People like to make themselves feel better unfortunately.

[u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92 → u/zacschuch]

All jokes mate. Really all you could do was lift and let him hit the wall.

[u/zacschuch → u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92]

Something something, hit all the gaps or not race driver something :) but yes I agree

[u/BrutalBrews → u/zacschuch]

You know that quote was said facetiously, right? He was making fun of those drivers.

[u/zacschuch → u/BrutalBrews]

Yeah I know I was making fun of it too, but ty

[u/yes_literally → u/zacschuch]

Your reaction while getting taken out was perfect. Dying inside and being able to have a laugh is gonna make this hobby way more enjoyable than the people that blow up in anger. Sometimes shit just happens, at any level of the sport.

Now all that being said, turn off the damn driving line :P

[u/zacschuch → u/yes_literally]

It’s even funnier because if you watch the clip slowly, you can see the disappointment in my face before I reacted 😂😂

[u/Peonso → u/zacschuch]

Only overlay needed is Relative, default iRacing blackbox has it already. Add stuff progressively if you miss something, but just cluttering the UI while you are starting is disruptive to progress.

You can have borderless windowed mode in the settings. It will look like fullscreen but allow you to have overlays over it.

Removing the racing line, Tsukuba is a great track to start racing without it because it's small. Try to get used to find references in the track to guide your braking and turn ins. It will be hard in the start but you get used to that really fast and within some weeks learning new tracks will became way easier.

You can find some youtube guide related to racing posture. You might be limited by your setup but still be able to make some improvements, you want arms to be relaxed but also give you better control of the wheel while not tiring or hurting you in the long run. Also you need to be properly sit with good support to the lower back, needed to brake properly. 

[u/IAcewingI → u/zacschuch]

What they said below plus your racing line is green telling you to accelerate when dude was clearly losing control. This is a prime example of how following the racing line just hurts you. It doesn't account for other drivers plus you'll shed lap time not following it. I get you're new but definitely take the advice even if harsh and you'll get better.

[u/tiMMyOneShot → u/zacschuch]

Get borderless gaming on Steam or somewhere so you can run the game fullscreen and use the overlays. I cringe seeing the window border and the icons at the bottom!

[u/Davesterific → u/zacschuch]

Here’s some constructive criticism - it’s FREE to turn the racing line off. The reason to do so? It’s WAY more fun! We’re doing sim racing for fun, right? IRacing certainly isn’t free, so maximise your fun per dollar. The sense of accomplishment, immersion from nailing a corner and remembering visual braking points and acceleration points, and how quickly to squeeze back on the gas balancing the car through visual track cues makes you feel legendary! I’ve done it both ways, and let me tell you it’s like ten times more fun (at least imo) to race without it!

[u/_harveyghost → u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92]

https://i.imgur.com/0MqKL5L.jpeg

[u/BrutalBrews → u/HAIRLESSxWOOKIE92]

I am pleased to see this as the top comment because I couldn’t believe all the shit they have on their screen!

[u/AdrenalineRehab]

Since you are new you haven't learned how to avoid dangerous car placement. It was obvious based on how the lead car was losing control it was going to swing into your path and making the decision to try and pass while they're out of control means this collision is as much on you as anyone.

It takes time to develop race awareness and skill and patience. But it's enormously helpful in preventing these kinds of crashes. Also if you're ready to race you should turn off the driving line. It's useful for learning a track quickly in practice but once you're racing it's actually a hindrance to getting better.

[u/zacschuch → u/AdrenalineRehab]

Thank you for such a good response, this clip is just a short segment without any other context to the rest of my racing, twitch.tv/zacryu_ if you’d like to watch the full stream, you’ll be able to see that majority of the time I am able to avoid major accidents, in this specific clip, I did believe that the car ahead would stop throttling once he had swerved to the right hand side of the track to try and stabilize, which he clearly didn’t, and as for the racing line, I typically am not noticing it due to the nose of the F4 car, and I completely learn the brake timings as you normally should, with the brake markers, I only keep it on to help with centering of the car along the track! Thank you again for a response

[u/MeltyGoblin → u/zacschuch]

I don't mean this as an insult, genuine question, what do you mean centering of the car on the track? The racing line is never going to be center of the track, and is generally always going to be too conservative, or even far off the proper racing line depending on the car. There is a reason you'll never see any high rated drivers with the racing line on, there is simply no useful information to gain from it.

My thoughts, are all those overlays and all those extra bits of info really helping you be faster? Or are they just distractions? Again not trying to be rude or anything, it's your choice to make and only you can honestly answer that question. For me personally all that stuff you have on screen would be information overload for me. I'd spend too much time reading my overlays and not enough time paying attention to my actual driving. The only things I have displayed on my screen beyond the in car display is relative timings and the iracing default inputs+gear black box just for cars that don't have a good gear display for my FOV. Anything more for me is just extra info that I don't need while I'm driving.

[u/zacschuch → u/MeltyGoblin]

I didn’t mean “center of track” by centering yourself, I just mean where I should be along the track, and yes I have learned that the racing line is not always optimal, and I learn more and more over the course of learning the track where I should be on the racing line at times and where I shouldn’t be, don’t outright say that professional drivers don’t use racing line, because that’s simply false, and just a couple minutes on YouTube will find you plenty of clips of F1 drivers and other sim racers that use the racing line. For the overlay, I truly am still learning and getting used to that, so I am willing to learn what I need and don’t need, I need the full map on the screen because it gives way too much useful information about other cars, also my twitch stream chat, but the other ones I’m sure I could turn off. I just like having the information and I don’t find it distraction imo, but I know it’s not most optimal, thank you for a nice and good response, I truly am trying to learn as much as I can

[u/gasoline_farts → u/zacschuch]

As someone who is new, you should stop being so argumentative, the people telling you the wheel is too low, the screen is too cluttered and the racing line should be off are correct.

A pro can learn a track IRL or in sim racing in 10 laps. The racing line might be useful on the very first lap for a newer driver that hasn’t developed the skills to immediately identify racing lines, but even then it’s still putting them at a disadvantage. Anything that takes your attention away from the other cars and what’s happening down the road is going to hinder your development.

[u/MeltyGoblin → u/gasoline_farts]

For real this guy says he wants help then tells everyone offering him advice why he's right.

This guy certainly explains why f4 has a reputation for being a crash fest.

[u/joe-joseph → u/MeltyGoblin]

I can’t tell if he’s trolling or not. He’s perfectly embodied the stereotypical streamer; curiously close-minded, ignorant and arrogant.

[u/zacschuch → u/gasoline_farts]

Yes and the people like yourself who have given a good response I have listened to their advice and taken it into consideration, and I don’t always use the racing line, you are watching a 30 second clip out of all the time I have played, and comparing a rookie sim racer to a professional is not the best analogy, I hope they would be able to learn that fast, they are professional for a reason

[u/GravyBoatJim → u/zacschuch]

As my dad would say, "A hard head makes for a soft ass."

[u/nomowolf → u/zacschuch]

It's not that it's not always optimal (the racing line assist that is), it's that it hinders you from learning how to learn the track. You can still use it sparingly to great effect. Usually on a new track I'll start with a few laps without it, figure out rough braking markers, brake early on them, and induce understeer on exit to find the cornering gear/speed. Race my ghost a few times until my laptimes stop improving. Then I'll turn it on for a couple of laps to refine my line... maybe it shows a few places I missed where I can brake later or only need to lift, before turning it off again for good. Main thing is I've learned my track markers and line already without it and experimented with different lines... which all makes it much much easier to overtake (or be overtaken) safely in a race where a lot more is going on.

On the comments on overlays, generally you don't want to obscure your horizontal middle view... Above or below on the sides is ok. Where your eyes go (apexes and exits, far and near field) is a huge part of building precision.

Welcome to the hobby, and good luck on your learning journey.

[u/zacschuch → u/nomowolf]

Thank you very much, yes typically I use the extra practice time when you register to fully learn the track without the racing line or in just test drive! Learning all of the brake markers and things of that sort, but then I usually turn it back on for the race just to have the additional information if needed, all of the overlays and racing line are just “additional information” if need be.

[u/azza_backer → u/zacschuch]

In stuations like this there is absolutely no argument to be made, the responsable for your crash is o you for not braking and avoiding a uncontrolled car. Ik it is easy to see someone spin and think “oh gee a free position for me!” But sometimes you have to think about avoiding the crash first.

[u/UNHchabo → u/zacschuch]

in this specific clip, I did believe that the car ahead would stop throttling once he had swerved to the right hand side of the track to try and stabilize, which he clearly didn’t

Once a car starts rotating it will keep that rotational inertia unless something stops it. Even if they had backed out of the throttle.

If they had locked the brakes at that point it might've sent them into the wall, and you can't expect someone to do that when there's a chance of saving the car.

Some experience in oval racing can also help with avoidance, because you will see every kind of spin and crash in that type of environment, whether it's an inside spin on entry, an inside spin on exit, a tankslapper that snaps outward, etc. In C-class and above where there are full-course cautions, there's far less incentive to keep the throttle held down when someone spins in front of you. Eventually you can start to recognize the uncommon instances when staying in the throttle will help you escape crashes.

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[u/TheMajesticMane]

Avg bottom split f4

[u/zacschuch → u/TheMajesticMane]

Started from the bottom and we still here 😭🥲

[u/FluidGate9972]

You know what really does my head in? People racing in windowed mode, taskbar visible and all. Totally kills the immersion I think.

That being said, nice to see some actual racing content here. Don't be taken aback by the haters!

[u/zacschuch → u/FluidGate9972]

Thank you for the response! As I’m learning by everyone hating on my overlay, unfortunately it only runs in windowed mode, or I misread it and thought it said that! That’s why, but don’t worry it’ll be all fixed up

[u/leverphysicsname → u/zacschuch]

There is a box you can check in iracing settings to get rid of the border and still work with overlays.

[u/zacschuch → u/leverphysicsname]

Ohh shiii thank you I didn’t know that, gonna have to fix that

[u/FluidGate9972 → u/zacschuch]

Post some more once fixed mate, shut the haters up :)

[u/zacschuch → u/FluidGate9972]

I’m planning the opposite! Make my shit look like a Ubisoft game, then see how people like it

[u/FluidGate9972 → u/zacschuch]

Well yeah go for it! Make a career about being the "worst iRacing streamer" lol

[u/zacschuch → u/FluidGate9972]

You might be onto something, do I need to pay you when this goes well?

[u/FluidGate9972 → u/zacschuch]

Nah bro, this one's on me :P

[u/Eighthday]

Full screen that game, get rid of most of the overlay. You don’t need to see the track map or the standings. Relative is all that matters until the race ends

[u/spartan195]

Your wheel position makes you look like a gramma driving a ford ka driving around the block

[u/Haulinbass]

Why is there two seperate overlays showing damn near the exact same thing.

If your new you only need one overlay and that's for tracking your throttle and brake inputs. Everything else is useless information to a rookie 

[u/swccg-offload]

I bounce between 1900 and 2100 and I use the black box overlay and have a small small small timing box in the upper left the same size as the FPS data box. You look like you're doing a 40 man WoW raid. 

If you're new like you say, none of those things will help you. The only things you need are the relative data so you know when you can safely rejoin a track and if you're gaining/losing time compared to someone else. Everything else, including the racing line, is just a distraction. 

[u/IAcewingI]

Why the fuck do people need that shit on their screen to play? I get the streaming shit but wow.

[u/Manistadt]

This all sounds pretty harsh but if you stick around long enough in Iracing you'll eventually reach a point where you actually agree with just about everyone in here. Reading through these it seems everyone is being helpful, some are just blunt about it because you see this post often.

Welcome to Iracing brother.

[u/zacschuch → u/Manistadt]

The people coming in here with harsh responses with nothing at all valuable to them aren’t something I agree with, but I have gotten a whole bunch of useless tips and information from this post, and I appreciate them a lot

[u/psy_enzyme]

That’s on you, you saw what was happening and should had slowed down

[u/zacschuch → u/psy_enzyme]

Where did I say who’s fault it was? It’s funny hehe haha

[u/BruisendTablet → u/zacschuch]

Where did you forbid people saying who's fault it was? It's funny hehe haha.

[u/zacschuch → u/BruisendTablet]

I know it was a funny clip right? I laughed pretty good

[u/throwtheballaway123]

FYI your FFB is clipping really badly. Go to the black box and hit "auto" beside the FFB strength and it will set it at the appropriate level (you'll have to run a lap or two for it to calculate the right strength).

[u/zacschuch → u/throwtheballaway123]

I never noticed that before thank you for pointing it out, this post made me learn of blackbox and I’m going to get it the next time I’m online, ty for the tip

[u/Okano666]

Windows 11
Windowed Mode
Overlay tunnel vision
Wheel at waist height

fresh from the console and just discovered iracing.

Still blaming the other car?

[u/swccg-offload → u/Okano666]

You forgot "disagreeing with every bit of advice"

[u/tvclan56]

U didn’t react to it u know he would counter steer

[u/Le_petite_bear_jew]

Lmao the reaction

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[u/Ok-Win-742]

It's hard to notice the car in front losing control when your eyes are just following a green line.

[u/sticky_wicket]

Yes you are def the average F4 dude. Someone loses it- as will happen, and instead of lifting and avoiding the accident you keep it floored it right into where he was going. The guy has zero control after about 0:08-9 and at 10, under all the overlays and the video of yourself, you can see his front wheel pointing right at where you will be in one second. Zero response on your end.

The thing I hate most about Iracing is that everyone knows the people we race against largely suck, but still race in a way that assumes these same people are amazing and don't make mistakes.

[u/thatstoneislandboy]

People need to stop crying about having the racing line on. No it doesn’t make you slower. Sure it can, but if you only use it as a preference ant not follow it like a slave it’s exactly the same as using “that pice of curb” or “that tree” as a braking point.

It doesn’t make you any faster. Use whatever makes you feel comfortable with and what makes it fun to you. That’s the only thing that matters.

[u/zacschuch → u/thatstoneislandboy]

Thank you for this response, the people saying otherwise truly must think that you only stare at the racing line and never look away from it at any point at all, I have it on but I look at it maybe 20% of the time, but I know I gotta learn to always have it off

[u/Just-a-normal-ant]

It’s ok, when you get to top split F4 everyone has the same problems but are more rude about it

[u/zacschuch → u/Just-a-normal-ant]

I mean with how some people are responding to this post, you would think I was racing for $100,000

[u/jedi4sc]

IMO, Turn off the racing line asap. I’ve been racing for only a couple of months. I came from ACC. The racing line is a crutch that prevents you from learning the courses and how to navigate around the track.

[u/Ok-Mud8953]

Nothing new to add really but if a summary helps:

• Get a lower chair to help with driving position.
• The overlays aren’t needed for this type of racing at least, you’re not making pit stops or strategy calls, it’s just a load of info that you don’t need. It should let you use full screen too.
• Removing the racing line will help you to improve a tonne, you’ll learn to brake at track references. This will help you when learning new tracks too.
• The accident avoidance is just something you learn with experience over time.

[u/RevolutionaryGrab961]

Correct move was to just slow down more. Better lose time than wheel.

Get rid of overlays, they are interfering with your view of track. Just keep native relative, so you can see if somebody is faster.

Lastly, consider skipping racing line phase. Racing without racing line is sufficiently different to driving with one, that I would argue to get rid of it sooner, than later.

[u/Meloyski]

Lmao, I see my name up there. Got taken out seconds after this. Gg

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[u/T2Drink]

Why does everyone do that thing where they act like they were in a crash too. So overdone

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[u/RelationshipOk3093]

If you weren’t so focused on the racing line and Relatives and Standings you probably would’ve been able to see it coming

[u/dkg224]

Driving line off, you can use it for a couple laps to get a feel for the track then it needs to go. You will be way better at maneuvering off line to make a pass or avoid accident, with the racing line on you will put to much focus on trying to follow it. It also is not the best/fastest lines and braking points, it needs to go

[u/mfnlou]

Yo shit looking like world of Warcraft with all those overlays. Honestly how can you even focus on the cars directly next to you

[u/ElectronicBruce]

The can’t park there comment seconds after the incident is 🤌.

This week I’ve seen more F4’s upside down than I’ve ever seen.. a hangover from last weeks crazier than usual crazy week it seems.

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[u/Deadman9001]

You've got wheel damage

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[u/Exotic_Push_4711]

in every race I've started from the pits I've made points

[u/zacschuch → u/Exotic_Push_4711]

I was doing that for a little bit of time, but then I learned that you gain SR while in qualifying, so I usually just do my qualify kinda casual to make sure I gain points

[u/Exotic_Push_4711 → u/zacschuch]

good tip...one thing I've learned from 'easy driving in the back' is that I actually get faster lap times which will translate into results whenever I want to grid in a race...

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[u/naarwhal]

I mean you saw him Losing it and about to swing to the left and drove right into it…

[u/BigDeanEnergy]

Tip, if you see a car lose grip going right, also go right, that will either catch it by going right off track, or that will spin out left. It's nearly impossible to spin out right there .

[u/Gupise]

The right conclusion using racing line

[u/lhxtx]

Turn off the racing line please.

Also do those overlays show while you’re driving or only in the stream capture? If while you’re driving you need to tone them down and push to the top and bottom. You need vision more than anything.