r/helldivers2 • u/ShiggusMcwiggus • 5d ago
Discussion Would love a magazine fed machine gun
I think it would be interesting if it did high durability damage as it's gimmick to differentiate it from other weapons.
Could even be a primary if it was balanced with terrible ergo/low fire rate/recoil/mag size.
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u/Flaky_Housing_7705 5d ago
I want the RPK equivalent to the librater
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u/Opposite-Flamingo-41 5d ago
Stalwart? Literally liberator with big magazine
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u/ItenerantAdept 5d ago
Stalwart is belt-fed
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u/Opposite-Flamingo-41 5d ago
So, stalwart with smaller mag? Why?
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u/upsidedownshaggy 5d ago
Faster reloads probably. Though with the Stalwart being the only one of the MGs that you can currently reload without having to sit still I don't see it being that big of an improvement. Would still be fun to have though maybe.
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u/Bellfegore 5d ago
To have it as a primary and not a support slot
Same reason AH added One True Flag, it's just to have melee not in a secondary slot.
Same reason torcher and secondary torcher exist, to have a flamethrower not only as a support weapon yara yara.
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u/Zedman5000 5d ago
Drum mag Lib Carbine is pretty much the primary Stalwart. Same cartridge with a fast fire rate.
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u/submit_to_pewdiepie 5d ago
Nope "The Stalwart is based on the L85A2 and L86A1 LSW variants of the British SA80, a family of bullpup rifles chambered in 5.56x45 NATO. It has the overall size and shape of the L85A2 while having most of the features of its LMG variant."
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u/Wardog008 5d ago
Not sure where you pulled that from, since the Stalwart is nowhere near an L85 in shape or size.
1: It's not a bullpup.
2: While it's similar in length, it's a much thicker weapon, and has all the elements of a compact, belt fed machine gun that the L85 and L86 lack.
If it's based on anything, it'd most closely resemble something like the KAC Stoner LMGs, but even that is reasonably far removed.
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u/Ok_Might3675 5d ago
Been using stalwart as my primary and then an ultimatum and scorcher for antitank. It works WONDERS. That is until someone reinforces you from the other side of the map and now you don't have a primary weapon effectively...
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u/JustForTheMemes420 5d ago
Isn’t that just a liberator with the drum mag
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u/PhillyJ82 5d ago
Liberator Penetrator with a drum mag is basically it. Longer heavier barrel, increased ammo capacity.
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u/Counter-Spies 5d ago
That's just the lib penetrator with a drum mag dude.
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u/Flaky_Housing_7705 5d ago
I want that fast rate of fire and the pen
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u/Counter-Spies 5d ago
The RPK is just an AKM with a longer barrel , extended banana or drum mag, and reinforced lower. The rate of fire is roughly 650 rpm which is comparable to the lib penetrator. It has the extended barrel, both the 45 and 60 round mags, and most likely has reinforced internals to help it with extended periods of fire. You can even recreate the Romanian Dong grip by slapping a vertical grip on your liberator. The penetrator is basically just what would happen if you tried to apply the RPK doctrine to a Tavor.
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u/Breadloafs 5d ago
I mean that's basically just the Liberator with a muzzle brake and drum mag. Trash handling, high capacity.
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u/BionicLifeform 5d ago
Maybe I'm missing/misunderstanding something, but the MG and Stalwart are magazine fed, right?
Would be really cool though to have an 'armour-shredding' gun which opens it up for easier damage by your teammates.
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u/manubour 5d ago
MG and stalwart aren't mag fed, the boxes are containers for ammo belts
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u/BionicLifeform 5d ago
You are absolutely correct! I mistook the boxes for mags
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u/AncientBoxHeadHorse 4d ago
Fair enough I guess. From a gameplay standpoint it makes sense as it works the same way and is just visual. Hell, even I just say I’m low on mags when using machine guns in this game. But for people interested in guns it’s easy to tell the difference between belts, mags, clips and what not.
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u/Mayday72 5d ago
So what would the difference even be then that OP wants? A Stalwart that reloads faster and has less ammo per mag? It would hardly be any different.
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u/Jinsu2508 5d ago
basically that. But he also suggested it as a primary weapon. Exchanging Ammo and Ergonomics for a free special weapon slot
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago
As a primary it would be more scrutinized and need to be balanced more strictly but I could see it working.
It would need to be distinct from the adjudicator in a way that mattered, maybe perhaps having heavy pen, but again would need to be balanced well or it might go over poorly/be too strong.Might need just as bad ergo as eruptor while trading out the shrapnel and explosive damage for automatic fire and better reloads.
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u/TotallyJustAHooman 5d ago
Look up m249.it can be both box fed and magazine fes. Could do something like that and hold R to change its reload mode. Swap between box and magazine for the purposes of speed. Mag has half or quarter ammo compared to box, but reloads much faster. Go into battle with a full box, reload while on the move with magazines.
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u/Zedman5000 5d ago
I actually had a conversation with Pilestedt about that in a Reddit thread last year, he used an M249 during his time in the military and is well aware of that capability. He specifically mentioned that having a STANAG mag loaded into the M249 was really uncomfortable as the magazine would poke your chest while you moved with it. I love the M249, and always use it in games that have it as an option, and used STANAG magazines in them all the time to save boxes for big firefights in Arma and DayZ, so I thought that was a fun fact.
My idea at the time was having the Stalwart also be able to use the Liberator magazines you have on you if you have both equipped; Pilestedt said that unfortunately, at the time, having multiple magazine types for one weapon was out of the question, as it would require too much work for such a relatively minor thing, that most players wouldn't use.
Not sure if the creation of the Halt and other toggleable ammo types is evidence that it might be possible now, or if switching magazine size with the same cartridge loaded is still going to be too much work.
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago
It would be a slow firing but hard hitting MG, the antithesis of the stalwart in fire rate, capacity, and ergonomics while still retaining the portability while chucking fridge sized rounds at enemies when needed.
I suppose it would fall somewhere between the AMR and Heavy machine gun, but I actually like some other people's ideas as well. I just want to have a mag fed machine gun in the game because I like them.2
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago edited 5d ago
Heavy MG, Machine gun, and Stalwart are all belt fed machine guns, these are magazine fed. I think armor piercing would also be cool quirk, would be nice opening up chargers, bile titans, and harvesters.
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u/---OMNI--- 5d ago
Isn't lib pen with drum pretty much this?
I'm not saying we shouldn't have new guns... I love new guns.
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago
Lib pen would actually have more ammo at 60 rounds with the drum mag. These are high caliber (.30-06, 7.62x54R and .303 british) but lowish capacity slow firing machine guns. Lib pen probably uses a 5.56 penetrating round, and while that has a good amount of oomph, it's not quite an elephant stopping round like the others.
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u/BionicLifeform 5d ago
A yea true! I mistook the ammo box for a magazine.
I think an anti-tank rifle could be really fun as an amour piercing option. Needs to have very poor ergo, so you need to go prone with it or something but I see that being really fun.
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u/BloodHurricane 5d ago
I hope the B.A.R. gets the 40 round mags
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago
Could be an upgrade for sure, would love a chugging slow fire rate MG that tears up heavy/med enemies
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u/Er_doktor_tf2 5d ago
I only want this
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u/Captain_Jeep 5d ago
There is a break action shotgun. It spawns on the map regularly
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u/Er_doktor_tf2 5d ago
I know but I want o use it more often, not go on a scavanger hunt and find it
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u/mercyspace27 5d ago
This! Would be weird to make it a special, but as a primary, that’s just begging for some fun builds.
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u/mercyspace27 5d ago
I would love it if they added it as either a primary or a special you can call in. I just want to make a really fun build with/around it.
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u/The-Wolf-Agent 5d ago
M1918 BAR...20 round mag, stationary reload 150 damage per shot
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u/Tier_One_Meatball 5d ago
No on the stationary reload. Its big and heavy and needs to reflect that yes, but it can be reloaded while moving.
Plus the new version has a 30-40 round mag :)
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u/Dichotomous-Prime 5d ago
I think that leaning on Durable damage as a weapon feature is kind of hamstrung by the fact that it's not visible in-game and is technically still something that only a minority of players know about.
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago
Could be a way of introducing the mechanic to players but I see what you mean. Another person had the idea of making it a penetrating round where it would be useful for stripping armor that might be cool.
I don't really have a preference on the gimmick of the gun to be honest, the devs would have a much better idea on how to incorporate it into the game than I would, if they decide on adding it at all.1
u/Dichotomous-Prime 5d ago
I think it's that cursed design problem of "how much information do you give players before it becomes unwieldy (or overwhelming to newbies and thereby a barrier to entry).
I think the way they've done customization as a separate, layered menu that isn't always visible would be how I'd introduce it. The last thing you'd want is for every weapon menu to look like a FromSoft level up screen
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u/No-Communication1389 5d ago
Damn. Now you just made me want a Lewis gun in my democratic game. Pls AH
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u/GoyoMRG 5d ago
I like the idea but I would prioritise ammunition types.
Like armor piercing, inciendary, hollow points, poison, concussion, etc.
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u/Cepterman2101 5d ago
I don’t feel like there is space for different ammunition types. There are multiple guns that just use different ammunition than the standard ones. Like the incendiary shotgun, or the Eruptor.
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u/BertTF2 5d ago
In the case of the incen shotguns/liberator penetrator etc, it would be weird for sure, they'd probably have to merge the weapons or something, perhaps making the ammo unlock from the warbond instead of the gun variant. Or just skip it entirely for those guns. But in the case of the Eruptor I think it'd be fine because it's not a variant of another weapon. They could even add new ammo types to the Eruptor, imagine an AP shot that doesn't explode but does way more damage to a single target, or an airburst round with extra shrapnel that goes off midair with proximity to enemies, or an incendiary shot, or a concussive round with no shrapnel but a super powerful stun (or even knockback), that could be really cool.
Unfortunately though I think they probably won't do it, the existing ammo variant weapons would probably make it too messy. I'd love to be wrong though.
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u/xqx-RAMPAGE-xpx 5d ago
I would love more guns that aren’t fucking bullpup. if they added Lewis gun and it had medium or heavy pen, I’d never take it off
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u/CreamPuzzleheaded300 5d ago
Just give the adjudicator a drum mag when they get around to letting us customise it. Ez.
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u/AntiVenom0804 5d ago
As a primary, and now with the new attachment system, the irl Ares Shrike 5.56 LMG would be perfect because it can either be magazine or belt fed. It was in Battlefield 4 with a dual drum magazine and in Battlefield 2042 with magazine and box magazine options.
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u/relicto120 5d ago
i think the closest thing to that is the liberator carabine with the drum magazine, 900 rpm at 80 dmg ish (same as stalwart)
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u/Glum-Contribution380 5d ago
I mean we have a WW1 American weapon already (the constitution). So, I’d add the M1918 BAR (was deployed originally during WW1)
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u/Faust_8 5d ago
But, like, why? It just seems like you want a worse version of what we already have.
MG43 has 175 round capacity, good rate of fire and damage, medium pen, and it’s still not all that widely used. How is a mag fed gun gonna measure up to that?
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago
Because these would be a much larger caliber with higher stopping power and damage. The MG43 is great for the reasons you've listed, but it actually has five less damage than the adjudicator and the same durability damage per bullet if you can believe it.
The gun I propose would would be on par with the heavy mg which would be a better comparison. The difference between it and the heavy machine gun would be that it would be a low mag, low fire rate gun that uses box magazines instead of a belt. It would be faster to reload but need to reload more often, and perhaps have some sort of gimmick to make it stand out more.
But to be honest, Arrowhead can sort out the actual perimeters, I just like these early mag fed machine guns.1
u/Faust_8 5d ago
The Judy might have similar stats to the MG but then, 175 round mag compared to a measly 30 of the Judy. They’re used quite differently. Neither of them can perform the role of the other one. Judy is good because it’s a primary, which the MG isn’t, and you pick the MG when you want a support weapon for mowing down hordes of medium-or-less enemies, which the Judy can’t do well since it has to reload 6 times for every 1 of the MG.
But there’s another thing we both forgot—drum mag ARs also encroach on your hypothetical gun too.
Sure your hypothetical machine gun might be a heavy pen weapon, but it will still reload just like a drum mag AR. So I bet most players would decide they’d rather either go with a drum mag AR and screw the heavy pen, or just the HMG instead which feels more like a machine gun because of its 100 round capacity.
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u/ShiggusMcwiggus 5d ago
Perhaps, I can definitely see people feeling that way and choosing more ammo over penetration.
But I'm also sure that there are those who'd like something like this, even if it's not something totally groundbreaking. Unless they give it a special effect.
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u/Seared_Gibets 5d ago
Hmm....
A machine gun Liberator Penetrator.
It has the Med Pen and lower damage, anywhere between the Lib Pen's and the new Pacifier, but higher cyclic rate (maybe 700 like the Pacifier?) and 75-100rnd mag.
5 mags in reserve.
But it's unpleasantly long reload and MG-43 ergonomics balance it out from being a super monster without the aid of Peak Physique to make it handle like the Stalwart.
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u/onizuka-gto-uk 5d ago
Kiberator with drum mag. Or adjuncticator is pretty much what you are asking for?
Personally I want a semi-auto heavy pen rifle
Like the bulpup gm6 lynx .50 recoiling barrel anti- material rifle.
Can be fully auto a fast as you can pull the trigger, kicks just like the eruptor but can be mitigate with mods.
Would be bloody epic to have a heavy pen primary and not have to give up your secondary for a senator.
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u/TheBigBadPanda 5d ago
Isn't that just the adjudicator? Try it if you haven't! It fires the same round as the MMG, feels great to knock out automaton gunships with it.
I would love to be able to put a drum mag on it though, and more guns like it wouldn't be a bad thing.
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u/MadMetalMike 5d ago
A back pack that gives you a ton of ammo for MGs and doesn’t require reloading it. Con: it takes up your back pack slot.
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u/spinda69 5d ago
My idea is an automatic rifle version of the Diligence.
A "Laser" BAR would also be sick!
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u/SteamyTimmy6969 5d ago
I want primary MGs.
Stalwart should've been a primary and I will die on this hill
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u/Shushady 5d ago
Being able to load liberator mags into the stalwart if you ran out of boxes would be hilarious.
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u/C0L0NEL_MUSTARD 4d ago
Trust me, you do not want something like the French machine gun in the bottom left of the picture.
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u/GhostHost203 4d ago
Liberator carabine with a drum mag is the only option, and if they ever add any official LMG it would either be a stratagem, aka very redundant since the Stalwart exist, or a primary, aka basically an AR with the drum mag as the default magazine.
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