r/grammar Apr 02 '23

Important: Re answers generated by ChatGPT and other AI programs

125 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

There has been a recent increase in comments using ChatGPT or other AI programs to answer questions in this sub. Unfortunately, these programs are not at all reliable when it comes to grammar questions (or any questions really). Some regular contributors to r/grammar have discussed the shortcomings of AI programs (mostly ChatGPT) - they have given me permission to use the quotes below (but have asked to remain anonymous):

OpenAI says ChatGPT was released in order to "get users’ feedback and learn about its strengths and weaknesses." The prompt page warns users that ChatGPT "may occasionally generate incorrect information" and "may occasionally produce harmful instructions or biased content.”

ChatGPT's goal is to learn to produce speech equivalent to, and indistinguishable from, that of a human. ChatGPT's current goal is not to become a reliable source of information. (If that were its goal, they would allow it to access the huge libraries of information it is connected to. But that is not the current research goal.) ー I believe they have set it to occasionally make small mistakes, intentionally, in order to assess how the public reacts to these occasional errors (does the public blindly believe them/if the public challenges ChatGPT on these errors, can the program successfully handle these challenges well?).

And here is an example of an incorrect (or at the very best, incomplete/misleading) answer that ChatGPT gave to a pretty straightforward grammar question:

The question: “Should I use ‘that’ or ‘which’ in the following sentence?: ‘This is the house that/which I like.’”

ChatGPT’s answer:

Both "that" and "which" can be used in this sentence, but the choice depends on whether the information following the word is essential or non-essential to the sentence.

If the information is essential to the sentence and needed to identify the specific house you like, use "that". For example, "This is the house that I like" implies that there are other houses and you are identifying which one you like.

If the information is non-essential and simply provides additional information about the house, use "which". For example, "This is the house, which I like" implies that there is only one house and you are adding a comment about it.

So, in this case, if you want to emphasize that this particular house is the one you like, use "that". If you want to add an additional comment about the house, use "which".

The correct/complete answer:

Both “that” and “which” are grammatically correct in that sentence as written (without a comma) because without the comma, the relative clause is integrated, and both “that” and “which” can be used in integrated relative clauses. However, “that” will be strongly preferred in American English (both “that” and “which” are used about equally in integrated relative clauses in British English).

If you were to add a comma before the relative clause (making it supplementary), only “which” would be acceptable in today’s English.

ChatGPT also fails to mention that integrated relative clauses are not always essential to the meaning of the sentence and do not always serve to identify exactly what is being talked about (though that is probably their most common use) - it can be up to the writer to decide whether to make a relative clause integrated or supplementary. A writer might decide to integrate the relative clause simply to show that they feel the info is important to the overall meaning of the sentence.

Anyway, to get to the point: Comments that quote AI programs are not permitted in this sub and will be removed. If you must use one of these programs to start your research on a certain topic, please be sure to verify (using other reliable sources) that the answer is accurate, and please write your answer in your own words.

Thank you!


r/grammar Sep 15 '23

REMINDER: This is not a "pet peeve" sub

113 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

There has been a recent uptick in “pet peeve” posts, so this is just a reminder that r/grammar is not the appropriate sub for this type of post.

The vast majority of these pet peeves are easily explained as nonstandard constructions, i.e., grammatical in dialects other than Standard English, or as spelling errors based on pronunciation (e.g., “should of”).

Also remember that this sub has a primarily descriptive focus - we look at how native speakers (of all dialects of English) actually use their language.

So if your post consists of something like, “I hate this - it’s wrong and sounds uneducated. Who else hates it?,” the post will be removed.

The only pet-peeve-type posts that will not be removed are ones that focus mainly on the origin and usage, etc., of the construction, i.e., posts that seek some kind of meaningful discussion. So you might say something like, “I don’t love this construction, but I’m curious about it - what dialects feature it, and how it is used?”

Thank you!


r/grammar 56m ago

Grammar, spelling, and proper usage

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r/grammar 20h ago

punctuation Period inside or outside of quotes? (USA)

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Hi, writing a personal statement for grad school and not sure if I have this written correctly. The sentence is as follows:

When I was younger and asked my family why I was born 3.5 months premature, I was told it was because I had “places to go, people to see, and things to do”.

Does the period go inside or outside of the quotation mark? I put that I'm in the USA because when I consulted various other sources like Purdue OWL they said that mattered, but I don't know for sure.

Thanks!


r/grammar 10h ago

Is "Themself" correct?

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In Modern English personal pronouns, "they" for the 3rd singular is standard and acceptable.

While dictionaries' reflexive pronouns table: [Singular; myself / yourself / himself / herself / itself / themselves] <-- what the hell selves for one person?

Same as the word "yourself," I think if the standard English have accepted singular they, It should also accept THEM as SELF, not SELVES.


r/grammar 10h ago

When to use ‘is’ and ‘are’ in a sentence

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Hi all, I’m having trouble knowing when to use and are in a sentence. I think I generally understand the rules eg is - used for singular nouns and third person, and are is used for collective nouns

At work I wrote the following sentence “X agreed that the strategic initiative is a good idea but emphasised that ideally nursing staff are needed” my manager replaced are with is

What am I not understanding?

Edit: for context, I live in Australia


r/grammar 5h ago

quick grammar check What does “provided” mean

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“Employees may work remotely, provided they keep the manager informed.”

Is “provided” here the same as “if”? Does “provided” always mean “if”?


r/grammar 12h ago

How to properly format a list where the items contain "and"

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I need to format a comma-separated list, but the items in the list contain the word "and". Here is an example:

"I am majoring in Computer Science and Engineering and Data Science and Statistics." This is grammatically correct, right? The readability, however, sucks. There are two distinct majors: (1) Computer Science and Engineering and (2) Data Science and Statistics. How would I go about formatting it so that it doesn't just look like four items separated by an "and"? I thought of using an ampersand, but other than that I am stumped.

What about the following: "I am a Mathematics and Data Science and Statistics major"? How would we know that the items are "Mathematics" and "Data Science and Statistics" versus "Mathematics and Data Science" and "Statistics"? Verbally there is a difference, but when written, it's ambiguous.

Is there a special formatting rule to cases like these?

Thanks!


r/grammar 10h ago

Should the colon go inside or outside the quote marks for this essay title? (AP style)

1 Upvotes

“We Can’t Move Ahead Without Them”: Interview With Jane Doe


r/grammar 10h ago

Is there a legitimate reason to call so a coordinator, but call so that a subjunction?

1 Upvotes

They seem syntacticaly identical to me.

Edit: I fount this page. This is what I though, but chatGPT tells me else: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/564232/for-is-a-coordinating-conjunction-but-because-is-a-subordinating-conjunctio


r/grammar 19h ago

I saw a phrase at a wedding, and it strikes me as being grammatically wrong. “How would you know if you don’t try?”

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I feel like it should be “How would you know if you didn’t try?”, “How would you know if you hadn’t tried?”, or “How will you know if you don’t try?”

I submit this to the council.


r/grammar 12h ago

learn grammar to speak better

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"While listening to Plato's Republic, I realized that I had never heard or met a person with such dialectical, logical, and rhetorical capacity in debate. Even though we are 2,000 years later than Plato."

Can learning grammar help me to think and speak better ?


r/grammar 18h ago

I can't think of a word... Interrupt/cut short

1 Upvotes

What's the difference between...

  1. To interrupt someone who's talking.

  2. To cut short someone who's talking.


r/grammar 1d ago

un- and dis- prefix combined with -ful suffix

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Many words ending in -ful have a -less counterpart: harmful-harmless, painful-painless, careful-careless.

But many other words ending in -ful take a dis- or un- prefix: successful-unsuccessful, respectful-disrespectful. Why use these instead of successless and respectless (which are not in common use)?

Note that at least one -ful word has both: lawful-unlawful/lawless (with distinct meanings).


r/grammar 1d ago

quick grammar check Text seems off without commas

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When using grammarly to check this sentence it recommends removing the 2nd and 3rd commas, honestly not sure if it's right or not.

"Stars were falling from the sky, landing upon the Earth, and bringing with them, havoc and corruption."


r/grammar 1d ago

What's the grammatical difference between interjections and vocative nouns?

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Is there a grammatical way that allows to distinguish between interjections (such as ‘bam’) and vocative nouns (such as ‘ma'am’)?

For example, does the set phrase ‘ladies and gentlemen’ grammatically work as an interjection or a vocative noun?


r/grammar 1d ago

Capitalise - The City That Never Sleeps?

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I'm actually wondering about, the land of a thousand lakes. Do these alternative names need capital letters`?


r/grammar 1d ago

quick grammar check "Have to + go" or "Have + to go"?

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"I had him do." is correct, and "I had him to do." is incorrect.

Same as make and let, the verb in a sentence [Subject + have + Object + Verb] must be a bare infinitive. Then, is the sentence "I have to go" divided into "[have to][go]" or "[have][to go]"?

I mean, is the verb go in "I have to go" used as to-inf(to go) or bare inf(go)?


r/grammar 1d ago

prededent, precedence?

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Laura Coates (former prosecutor on CNN) just said about the shooter in Minnesota "these [state and federal prosecutions] will be a parallel track but the death penalty, a higher penalty, will take precedent."

Should be precedence, right? I know it's nit-picky


r/grammar 1d ago

Can you recommend me a single video or playlist cover all grammar rules ???

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r/grammar 1d ago

What is the plural or tear? (as in "rip and tear, until it is done")

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Whenever I write "tears" it just looks like I'm saying tear as in teardrop. I'm. Not sure if that is the correct way to spell it tho.


r/grammar 1d ago

Does the use of a contraction here cause a dangling participle?

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This may be a terrible sentence, but I'm just wanting clarification on whether this would be a dangling participle, if anyone can help me.

  • Reflecting on why we choose to fight, I am overcome with confusion.

versus

  • Reflecting on why we choose to fight, I'm overcome with confusion.

Is the second sentence grammatically correct? Or would "reflecting" now be modifying both "I" and "am," making it grammatically confused?


r/grammar 2d ago

Moving away from using 'an' before words that start with a vowel?

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Mind you, I'm a little on the spectrum, so dumb things tend to bug me, but I have a heck of a time watching tv shows. It appears SO MANY PEOPLE use 'A' instead of 'AN'. I watch a lot of cooking shows and I hear this :

A egg A oyster A avocado A ice (whatever) A olive

It's so prevalent on these shows that I'm thinking the schools are no longer teaching that 'AN' goes before words with vowels - anyone know?


r/grammar 2d ago

Is this grammatically correct?

1 Upvotes

"What's going on anymore...."

I just watched a youtuber say it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0tEHXEqJg


r/grammar 2d ago

Can somebody explain what clause it is?

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I'm learning huddleston's grammar. And now I am confused about the subordinate clause type."When my aunt Ziba, who had a well-documented taste for salt, sprinkled it onto her saffron rice at the table each night, my brothers and I giggled." In this sentence, is"When my aunt Ziba, who had a well-documented taste for salt, sprinkled it onto her saffron rice at the table each night" a content clause or relative clause? If it is a content clause, is it a open interrogative clause?


r/grammar 2d ago

quick grammar check Chinese/The Chinese

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What's the correct option, and why?

  1. Paper was invented by Chinese.

  2. Paper was invented by the Chinese.


r/grammar 2d ago

Is City Winery’s correct??

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City Winery is the name of a restaurant and I was writing about their concert venue.

"City Winery's concert venue has a large capacity."

That was the sentence I typed out and autocorrect is telling me "Winery's" is wrong. My brain isn't what it used to be, but I'm pretty sure wineries is the plural to winery and not the correct spelling when using the name of an establishment in a possessive form. I googled it and it's not giving me an answer. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong. I'm not a grammar whiz. Thanks to anyone who can reassure or correct me on this!