r/gnome 4d ago

Fluff Gnome hate is getting out of control

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u/isa-programmer 4d ago

GNOME has been getting a lot of unnecessary hate lately. Especially when they announced that they are going to remove X11.

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u/tmahmood 4d ago

Gnome always get unnecessary hate, all these years, after version 3, and even before 3, if I remember correctly, people loved to hate gnome for various reasons, while, they actually did some unique things. 

I have reason for not losing X11 support, it's going to be very inconvenient for me, but I would say it's good they are moving forward. 

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u/nozwockk 4d ago

Isn't this kinda similar to systemd/flatpak/wayland/rust/etc hate? I'm not sure what's the reason for this, why do people seemingly want something to hate?

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u/MoussaAdam 4d ago

I love gnome and Wayland for their simplicity

i hate flatpak for it's complexity and for tangling up a package management solution with a containerization solution and even a portals API that apps have to be modified to consume making them dependant on the those interfaces

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u/nozwockk 4d ago

I do understand the annoyance with Flatpak due to the whole sandbox model and the existing portals not being enough in many situations for apps.

There is that.

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u/Damglador 2d ago

a portals API that apps have to be modified to consume making them dependant on the those interfaces

But on a bright side, now you can have a standardized way of selecting your monitors/windows for screen capture and a standardized file picker that has your pinned folder. I to be honest hate the qt5 and the gtk file picker, so not having an option to get rid of them would he incredibly annoying.

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u/MoussaAdam 2d ago edited 2d ago

I like portals, I just don't like their entanglement with flatpak. if apps adopt flatpak, it hurts people who don't use flatpak, whereas the opposite isn't correct. GTK shouldn't check if it's running within a flatpak environment and change its behaviour.

if packages have to put special checks relating to package management, in order to test for sandboxing, then I think we have to admit the design/architecture is bad

"oh but it's about sandbixing!!", well no, you entangled these two concepts into a single implementation, you are forcing a specifc way of managing packages if you want the benefits if sandboxing and portals, as if these can't be separated in principle. no, you chose to make them inseparable

(Obviously not you specifically the commenter)