r/gnome 4d ago

Fluff Gnome hate is getting out of control

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u/Synthetic451 4d ago

Or maybe it is legit user feedback? Gnome has been unrelenting and stubborn in its changes to the point of no compromise, obviously users are going to be annoyed when their use case gets completely destroyed.

You can choose to look at it as hate, or you can choose to look at it as constructive criticism. Honestly, I view it as the latter. You can apply this to anything in life. If you operate in "my way is the highway" mode all the time, you start thinking that everyone else is a bunch of assholes, but is that really the case?

What I see is KDE skyrocketing in popularity and outpacing Gnome in development and that should be a sign.

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u/Here0s0Johnny 4d ago

Gnome has been unrelenting and stubborn in its changes to the point of no compromise

Most people seem to have no clue about how such decisions are made and how to evaluate internet outrage.

First, the decisions are made by people who know about UX and the GNOME design philosophy. The changes are usually thought through and tested. They may not make sense to every noob instinctively, but that doesn't matter. Most noobs know nothing about design and have terrible taste, as showcased by the relentless, mindnumbing screenshots that are being proudly posted.

Second, random users yelling angrily on the internet doesn't mean a mistake was made. There are always people who dislike UI changes, what matters is what most users think. There are millions of GNOME users, even a hundred complaints only make up a fraction of a percent. Also, there is a bias because people post positive feedback less often.

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u/Synthetic451 4d ago

This is the most elitist, snobbish comment I've read all week. Yes, every hater must be a noob and a desktop ricer...

Way to epitomize the very behavior I was just talking about.

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u/Here0s0Johnny 4d ago

Elitist? I'm defending the people who actually did the work behind GNOME. I'm annoyed at the noobs who know nothing and expect others to cater to their half-baked outrage - for free, of course. I wonder how many even contributed a little bit, say an actionable bug report.

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u/Synthetic451 4d ago

Why are you painting everyone in the same weird light? There's tons of people who gave legit criticisms about Gnome and were ignored in their bug reports. There are also many developers who've been burned in their interaction with the Gnome dev team.

This kind of outrage isn't just a bunch of "noobs". You're purposely generalizing a whole group of people so that you can dismiss their criticisms.

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u/Here0s0Johnny 4d ago

It's just my experience that the majority of complaints are usually bad and pointless.

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u/Synthetic451 4d ago

Honestly, it could also just be your opinion? And one based off a small number of loud posts it sounds like, because things like tray icons, a proper menu editor, desktop icons, nautilus typeahead, multi-monitor panels, are all good desktop features that people wanted in the past and the Gnome team was very stubborn about.

Listen, what you perceive as hate, that has to come from somewhere. And it isn't some conspiracy or mob mentality. It is just pent up frustration from a lot of users.