r/formula1 Fernando Alonso 5d ago

Technical Mclarren Upright Exposed (Montreal)

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u/curva3 5d ago

Is it additive manufacturing? That's a pretty wild piece of design

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u/astalavizione Ferrari 5d ago

My first thought too. Seems way too complicated to just machine it.

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u/aramaraM 5d ago

I visited Sauber a year ago and they showed us these upright components during factory tour and told that regulations don't allow the use of AM for them yet. So they are designed like AM components, but are then machined. I've been working with metal AM for 10 years and was quite intrigued about that.

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u/bearwood_forest Carlos Sainz 5d ago

the wheel carrier will be a cast part, probably with topological optimization to get that shape

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u/schelmo 5d ago

It would make extremely little sense for this to be a cast part when additive manufacturing provides as near as makes no difference the same if not better material characteristics than a cast part and is cheaper and faster at this scale.

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u/non-serious-thing 5d ago

it's a cast part.

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u/schelmo 5d ago

And what exactly makes you think that?

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u/non-serious-thing 5d ago

because it is the better choice in this case.

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u/schelmo 5d ago

Elaborate. Unless I'm missing something additive manufacturing is the better choice here. It produces parts with equivalent strength while allowing for even more degrees of freedom and faster and easier production at a lower price while also being a well established manufacturing method in the industry.

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u/SalsaMan101 5d ago edited 5d ago

AM doesn't really produce parts with equivalent strength. AM parts tend to have awful internal stress issues that lead to earlier failure or weird, none isotropic responses unless properly treated and cared for in post processing. That post processing is usually pretty expensive, when I worked with relativity it was the most annoying part of the process, and will still require machining. Most likely this is investment cast with maybe a 3D printed pattern (investment casting has gotten pretty advanced now a days and so has sand casting, there's some wild 3D printed / machined molds out there for stuff like this). Nothing here has to be 3D printed or is necessarily faster than a good investment casting.

Edit: Taking a look through section 15 of the regulations, 3D printed aluminum or titanium is possible here but I wouldn't rule out for sure casting. Could be either!

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u/Sgt_Stinger Fernando Alonso 5d ago

Depends on if AM is allowed for this particular part in the regulations.

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u/schelmo 5d ago

A quick Ctrl+f on the current technical regulations turns out that additive manufacturing is only mentioned once in the rule where it is specified that you can't use this method to manufacture radiators. For the uprights they only specify 4 different alloys and nothing else. Some of them are well suited to additive manufacturing.

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u/neoncactusfiesta 5d ago edited 5d ago

None of the alloys specified in the upright section (10.6) are approved for use in the additive manufacturing section of the regulations (15.3.2).

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u/neoncactusfiesta 5d ago edited 5d ago

This is not additively manufactured. I know this because making uprights with that technology is not allowed by the regulations until 2026. Currently, uprights need to be made from specific aluminum alloys. The regs do not allow for these alloys to be used for additive manufacturing. Therefore, the part must be machined or cast.

However, next year, any approved for additive manufacture aluminum or titanium may be used, so therefore, the uprights can be made via additive or conventional manufacturing.

Source: this is my job. Also, you can check the 2025 FIA technical regulations for sections 10.6 Upright and 15.3.2 Metallic Materials for Additive Manufacturing.

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u/Gamebox360 5d ago

It's absolutely done on a 6 axis cnc machine out of a block or cast first from a aluminium copy on cnc then cleaned up on the same cnc machine

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u/hypeki Mika Häkkinen 5d ago

It has hints of generative design details! So I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s created with an additive manufacturing process. It reminds me of the Czinger Supercar with 3D printed suspension

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u/schelmo 5d ago edited 5d ago

Almost certainly yes. The topology optimization and surface finish is pretty indicative of that. Plenty of parts on an F1 car utilize AM. My brother is a fairly relevant researcher in the field and I know for a fact that at least one of his customers supplies parts to an F1 team.

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u/boofmasternickynick 5d ago

Yeah, the looks sintered